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... Apr 2008 04:49 from: Martin Wynne Stuart Mitchell wrote: Just wondering if there is a way to curve the plan after you are finshed. Hi Stuart, If only. Unfortunately the geometrical tangles which would arise are mind-numbing. It's probably feasible to write code for a simple crossover and siding. But to curve an entire complex station throat or junction in one go would be a nightmare. However, it's not too difficult to create a new curved centre-line, and then one-by-one align the existing templates over the new line. There is more about that, and a video, in this topic: topic 349 The video uses manual alignment between the templates. It's possible to automate that using the snake onto peg function, but that needs each template to have its peg suitably positioned first. regards, Martin. posted: 19 Apr 2008 05:02 from: Stuart Mitchell Thanks Martin.. Just what I needed Stuart Mitchell Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active ...
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... they are asking for trouble. You can nick the tops and add cosmetic fishplates when its all tested. On a normal point there are only 2 'proper chars between the slide chairs and the rail end. While plastic track is strong I do feel that relying on these 2 chairs to hold the rail on thier own is asking a lot so my solution (purists look away now) it to continue the rail onto normal track bases. I always try to have rail joints in the middle of a 'panel' for ease of alignment. Hope this helps Jim Jim Smith-Wright p4newstreetlogosmall-1.jpg s4logo.jpg wfrmlogo.jpg All images in my posts© Jim Smith-Wright unless stated- please do not use or alter without permission. posted: 17 Sep 2009 21:27 from: Jim S-W Hi All the sticking point of handbuilt track is generally perceived to be the good old Vee. After all all points need them and a layout without them isn't really that much fun! In reality though theres nothing difficult about building them its just a cast of ...
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... 6 Jan 2014 12:08 from: Richard_Jones Hi Martin, Can I pick your brains on transition curves?- as I mentioned in my previous message I'm indicated I was going to "tweak" the curve between the down main and down loop which is formed by template 87- I've also moved the turnout (86) forward and used the "s curve transition" on 87, without knowing what I'm actually doing (! !!)- but this looks a bit better, even if I'm not convinced of the alignment between 86& 87! I know the photos of the actual station may give a false impression due to foreshortening, but is there anything else you can suggest to improve things, accepting that I've already distorted the geometry by constraining it to a constant radius through the station? many thanks Richard 1763_301735_340000000.jpg 1763_301735_000000000.jpg Attachment: attach_1706_1010_Singleton_Final_4 _1.box 421 posted: 6 Jan 2014 16:33 from: JFS Hello Richard, Just had a look- v nice! But that is quite dog leg there. I was thinking that if you made ...
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... so either can move as drawn. These switches are 12ft and 14ft-6in GER pattern with a common heel position. 2_280950_180000000.jpg The full-size scan can be seen by viewing this in the Image Gallery or by clicking: gallery/2 /original/2_280950_180000000.jpg I used the longer 18ft switches in the design because you want to put the whole thing on a sharp curve. Curving this as it stands would create too sharp a radius. Alan, you might like to try changing the inner one to 15ft, and then aligning it on a common heel position with the outer 18ft switch. The switch front can be shortened if necessary, as in the drawing. One big problem with three-throw turnouts is that they often result in the V-crossings being opposite each other and therefore not properly checked for the middle road. That's just about acceptable for a straight turnout, but not a curved one like this. Derailments would be inevitable. That's why I used different crossing angles in each road, so that the V-crossings are sufficiently ...
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... the feature in action as I use the group move (thanks for the short-cuts by the way) if I have to. Cheers. Phil posted: 2 Dec 2010 17:19 from: couzenss Martin, The Y point I referred above was made using the Approximation method (1) I have now looked at the improvisation method (2) and I can see the aim of generating a centre line first to set the crossing( adjust the second radii until the fine point marker (arrow 3) is exactley aligned)but I cannot workout how to achieve the first step "peg on a straight centre-line only plain track template". I only seem to get a centre line and no plain track to set the turnout against Thanks for your help Stuart posted: 2 Dec 2010 17:51 from: Martin Wynne couzenss wrote: I have now looked at the improvisation method (2) and I can see the aim of generating a centre line first to set the crossing( adjust the second radii until the fine point marker ...
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... Attachment: attach_1461_1998_layout_100_2012_0 6_11_rev_8.box 395 posted: 29 Jun 2012 20:53 from: Martin Wynne Hi Wirey, Welcome to Templot Club. 1. I seem to have an over-laid CCE siding; easy enough to delete, but why did I get two? I've no idea unless you say what method you used. The normal process to create that siding would be to extend the turnout (F4 mouse action) then tools> make split> make separate exit track. Then F6 mouse action to curve it to the required alignment. Then main> store& background (or INSERT key). 2. The lower two of the three sidings have been formed of two sections to get the curve I wanted; is this the right way to do it? Yes, you can build up your required alignment using as many templates as you wish. You could probably improve it by using a transition curve between the two ends, and you may then be able to do it with a single template. The prototype doesn't use nice mathematical transition curves in ...
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... template as you progress. But having set out from A and arrived at B do the curves flow nicely? Does it have a uniform feel? Or does it all look a bit disjointed? Brick-by-brick is really only suitable for small end-to-end layouts. For larger layouts and especially where you need to go round corners it is very helpful to lay out an overall scheme guide first. Usually this is done with "centre-line-only" templates. The detailed templates can later be aligned over these using the "align" functions. The prototype track designers obviously didn't give much thought, or probably any, to the look of the thing. But most railway modelling involves compression. To do that convincingly you need an "eye" for the curves through pointwork -- a gentle "flow" of sinuous curving rail can do much to hide the fact that it is less than 50% of the proper length. So laying out the curves first can be a big help. Not to mention knowing in ...
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... topic: 895 Why will this not transition? posted: 11 Jul 2009 06:24 from: BruceNordstrand I am slowly working my way through my plan but this kind of thing is driving me nuts. In the attached file I am attempting to create a transition from the straight track to the curved one. Both sections of track are aligned on the background scan how I want them. Clicking on the straight section and selectiing transition causes Templot to tell me it can't do it- WHY? These are the kinds of things that are driving me nuts daily. I can see no difference in this than the videos I have watched in an attempt to grasp Templot yet it doesn't work. Any and all help appreciated... Cheers Bruce Attachment: attach_585_895_Picture_1.png 98 posted: 11 Jul 2009 08:20 from: Martin Wynne BruceNordstrand wrote: I am slowly working my way through my plan but this kind of thing is driving me nuts. In the attached file I am attempting to create a transition from the straight track to the curved one. ...
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... chairs would make them E switches- but I think that would be rather big for a freight terminal. I'm not sure how one goes about working out the crossing angle, if possible, using the types of chairs as a guide- I have other shots showing the angle if anyone can help. But as the shot is side on I doubt it would GIMP very well. What's interesting about this shot is the two sets of slide chairs at the end of switch tips. Note how there aren't centered in the timber but aligned with the edges of them. I knew the one over the soleplate is like that, but it's the first I've noticed that the next isn't centered as well. Interesting stuff- well I think. Attachment: attach_512_756_fb_switch.jpg 144 posted: 10 Mar 2009 12:23 from: Templot User -- --- from Alan Hall -- --- richard_t wrote: What's interesting about this shot is the two sets of slide chairs at the end of switch tips. Note how there aren't centered in the timber but aligned ...
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... There are other matters more urgent, such as the irregular diamonds, gaunt turnouts, and mouse-adjustable check rails. That's without thinking about the Sketchboard. And I'm still working on saving Preferences files. In the meantime there is a workaround which gets you half way to what you want. You can put a duplicate template under each one, with its rail "width" set to a dummy dimension to give the outer rail foot line. This gives you one of the foot lines, to which the rail can be aligned. See the template below this. Assuming your rails are vertical (for soldered copper-clad), measure the rail head width and the foot width. Add them together and divide by 2. This gives you the dummy dimension equal to the distance from the running face of the rail to the outer edge of the rail foot. Convert it to prototype size and enter it as the rail head "width" at real> rails> rail section data... menu item. If the model rail section is ...
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... required to use them. I hope you can follow that. I have tried, without any success, to cheat by attempting to create a crossing at the intersection of 2 inverted curves- although TDV does find the intersection it neither constructs a crossing or generates an error- is this usaul/expected behaviour? TDV (Templot Development Version) is now out of date -- please download and install the latest version 209a: message 10771 If you have crossed two plain tracks (one as the control template) click peg/align tools> make diamond-crossing at intersection on the other one. This will set curviform V-crossings for the half-diamonds. Delete the unwanted one. If those are the required exit tracks, you won't need to rotate the turnout -- rotate the switch front instead. Use the new CTRL+ F12 function to reduce the turnout road to the shortest possible and ignore the minimum radius showing (it is likely to relate to the non-existent TVJP position). regards, Martin. posted: 2 May ...
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... www.templot.com/martweb/tut5e.htm -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- In version 091c you can do those things, but in addition you can 3. Click tools> make branch track menu item, which creates a siding directly. or 4. Store the turnout template on the background and then use F7 snapping -- create a new length of plain track, then using F7 mouse action move one end of it close to the turnout exit. It will snap into alignment as a siding. You can then adjust it as before. or 5. Store the turnout template on the background and then create a new length of plain track. Click on the turnout, and then click the peg/align tools> snap the control template onto background template> at CTRL-6 TVJP item on its pop-up menu. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- --- 1 or 3 are the simplest methods since they require only a single click. ...
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... has worked through these they should have the basic grasp of what's what.Also an update of the video tutorials as a couple of thousand pictures beats a few thousand words. Definitely a glossary of Pt way terms should be on page one, for those who think that a turnout is a set of points instead of an amalgamation of switches and crossings. I have used the irregular diamond feature several times since it's introduction, works a treat once you get use to F9& F10. I have used the platform function it certainly helped when aligning track work on an island platform. I have not used the Gaunt Turnout function yet but I have a tandem turnout to do, so I will give it a go. I have used Sketchboard in a very basic way of putting a few blocks on to a track plan, which is about as far as I have got in trying to master it. When all else fails export it into CAD. So a video tutorial or two on the basic functions may be an idea. HTH Phil. posted: 1 Jun ...
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... Odd printing result: topic 1540 Large format printing service: topic 1530 Printing Background shapes: topic 1473 Print of Timbering Data?: topic 1438 Printing templates on A3: topic 1415 Exporting sleeper only to .dxf: topic 1389 Background Picture Printing: topic 1359 Printing a single slip template: topic 1349 Printing from PDF....: topic 1315 PDF export?: topic 1263 Printing problem: topic 1195 Printing: topic 1171 Printers v Plotters: topic 1161 template printing: topic 1148 Printing to PDF Files: topic 930 print alignment: topic 1070 Print Alignment Problems: topic 1044 Slightly OT- What A3+ Inkjet Printer: topic 1066 Printing -- changing the flangeway gap: topic 1037 Size of print area: topic 1018 Printing on A3 landscape: topic 1013 Printing problem: topic 1002 Track disappears when using print group....: topic 969 Waterproof tough paper for printed templates: topic 922 Printing for a layout diagram: topic 878 Printing rail footprint on template: topic 846 Printing: topic 813 Printing the PDF tutorials: topic 784 Printer ...
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... I'm anxious to keep the curvature through the diamond. Just to complicate matters there's a slew on the main line as well. Now I cannot for the life of me work out how to draw the diamond in Templot (I can usually suss things out eventually, but haven't managed this one!). I can, and have in the past, built the track on the template, making the various crossings to suit. But I'm sure it can be done more sophisticatedly. I don't want to change any of the existing alignments, as I struggled for a long time to get the whole thing to flow. Ignore the timbering -- I'll be using interlaced sleepering a la Caledonian Railway. Can anyone advise me? Please! Allan Ferguson Attachment: attach_746_1061_Muckhart_north_10 _03_07_0124_09.box 318 posted: 7 Mar 2010 08:48 from: Martin Wynne Hi Allan, It's not generally a good idea to run a slew through pointwork -- slews are intended mainly for plain track. If possible it is better to use a transition curve instead. I found that this transition ...
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... Quick mode tool buttons has made space for me to squeeze in a couple more beginner buttons -- roam and rotate: 2_090624_130000000.png regards, Martin. posted: 9 Aug 2012 12:35 from: Geoff Cook Why are roam and rotate considered to be beginners buttons posted: 9 Aug 2012 14:13 from: Martin Wynne Geoff Cook wrote: Why are roam and rotate considered to be beginners buttons? Hi Geoff, Shift and Rotate are needed when starting a track plan to get the first template to the correct position and alignment. Everything could be shifted and rotated later of course, but experience suggests that beginners are always keen to get a baseboard rectangle defined and the first template positioned within it. Rotate can also be useful when printing individual construction templates, by arranging them diagonally across the printed page to fit on a single sheet. After inserting a turnout in existing plain track, Roam is the easiest function to use to adjust the turnout position, because it does not modify the template alignment. The aim of the "beginner buttons" is ...
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... topic: 1059 This Is It posted: 5 Mar 2010 17:13 from: Dellboy Hello folks Well I've now drawn a line under my Templot EM gauge layout and expect to start track building soon! All the baseboards were finished last year based on the 'finalised' layout but the detailed finishing-off by refining alignments, adjusting check rails& timbering etc, plus of course some tinkering about with it have only just managed to be completed. Congratulations to Martin for such a brilliant program. The layout is completely freelance. It consists of a main station, a single line branch and an 8 train turntable for the storage sidings element. Maximum train length of six carriages plus loco. I have two fully interlocked signal frames for controlling the points& signals, one for the station the other for the branch, on order from Modratec. Huge credit to Harold of Modratec for the design of these using their SigScribe program. The working potential of the station has been a major consideration for me and has resulted in a rather complex S&C ...
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... but what about an aerosol can of 3m Spraymount, allows repositioning before it goes off and then grips very well. Phil posted: 18 Nov 2010 18:12 from: Glen Suckling newport_rod wrote: What experience to other Templotters of gluing plots down have? And advice would be appreciated. I use a spray adhesive made for scrapbooking. A light spray on the track bed and a VERY light spray on the back of the template. It acts like a contact cement but you have a little more time to get the template aligned properly before it sets. Even if it does set you can still peel the template off although it will probably be unusable after removal. I have not noticed any appreciable stretching or shrinkage of the paper The brand name that I use (in the USA) is "Elmer's Multi-Purpose Spray Adhesive" I am sure that something similar must be available in the UK. I also use it to glue cork roadbed to the baseboard. Glen posted: 18 Nov 2010 21:13 from: Andrew Fendick Hi, You ...
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... One reason for preferring epoxy for most jobs is that it is gap-filling, an area where many other adhesives fail, requiring a very thin joint line to work. We have seen in some close-up photos recently that the fit of the chairs to the rail section is far from perfect. What's puzzling me a little is why the need for an ultra-strong life-long bond? I had thought that the main reason for attaching the slide chairs with adhesive was to stop the timbers falling off or losing alignment between bench assembly and track-laying. Once the track is laid there doesn't seem to me to be any great need for a strong fix between the slide chairs and the stock rail (for models). The natural tendency of any track is to go wide-to-gauge under traffic, there is nothing in the wheel to pull it narrow. So providing the slide chairs are in the right place and firmly attached to the timber, they can restrain the rail without any obvious need for a strong (or ...
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... the Tools menu and it will create a single or double slip from a background and control template that overlap within sensible limits. Rob posted: 3 Dec 2018 18:04 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rob, The auto-slip function can create only regular slips. Paul is trying to create an irregular slip (curved track over straight). Hi Paul, Have the two plain tracks crossing, one in the control template, and the other as a background template. Click on the background template, and then peg/align tools> make diamond-crossing at intersection. This will give you the underlying irregular diamond, to which you can then add the slip switches and slip roads as in the video for manually-created slips. You may find it easier to curve the straight track to match the curved track radius. (It must be an exact match, copy the curved track into the control, and then peg it on to the turnout.) You will then make a regular diamond-crossing at the intersection instead. Delete the ...
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