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141. Straight Switches
... the switch rail length is 114.3mm and the offset to the inner side of the rail at the heel is 3.57mm- all this checked out on the template and on the switch when I built it. The problem is that with a rail width of 2.2mm, that leaves a gap of 1.37mm between the outer edge of the switch rail at the heel and the inner side of the stock rail, which is less than the check rail gap of 1.5mm. So it looks as though the back of the flanges would connect with the outside of the switch heel. I'm modelling the Caledonian and looking at the distance between the switch heels and the stock rails in the pointwork in the pictures of Brechin station trackwork in this message in a thread in the CRA forum... http://www.crassoc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f =6 &t =415&p =2466&hilit=boxing#p2466...the distance would appear to be around the width of the rail, or about 2.2mm in P-32, which would give more than ...
... from: Martin Wynne Also new in 226a is an option to mark specific timbers on a template by modifying the infill colour: 2_060828_490000000.png There are several reasons why you might want to mark specific timbers on the template. For example the position of dropper wires, rodding runs, etc. However, this is primarily for those modellers who like to use a hybrid form of construction, with most timbers in say wood or plastic, and a few interspersed in copper-clad for soldering. This is a popular form of construction used outside the UK for flat-bottom track. It's helpful to mark the appropriate timbers at the design stage, and I've been asked for this option on the templates. Bear in mind that once the timbers have been stuck on the template, you can't see the colours. So this option is primarily for use when actually sticking them on. Print a second template for reference if you need to see the colours afterwards. I have a hunch this will turn out to be another one of those functions which we didn't know we ...
143. Track centres
... shed wall and the clearances required. Comparing the two pics would tend to bear this out. Tony. 2151_070836_120000000.jpg posted: 7 Jul 2016 15:37 from: Hayfield Tony Thanks, the track has altered and I think if I keep the shed line as it is then have a 10' way as per Martins reply. Here is a little plan overlaying what I think is passable for the new over the old plan, bit of a lashup for the catch points and I guess will need to extend the sleepers on the outside a bit Attachment: attach_2312_2894_Belmont_station_6 .box 208 Last edited on 8 Jul 2016 14:57 by Hayfield posted: 7 Jul 2016 16:10 from: Hayfield undefined I have had a quick look at the photo of the turnout, I have used a B8 turnout which seems to have the correct number of timbers up to the Vee, but the Vee is much sharper than a 1-8, looks to be a 1-5 crossing Any ideas of how to achieve this please John Attachment: attach_2313_2894_Bodmin_general6.b ox 211 Last edited ...
144. hello
... I have managed to print out my first ladder crossover with two B-6 turnouts across four main lines. I am working in OO-SF, want to build the turnouts, and am using DCC concepts flexi track, and hope to install some concrete sleeper track using C&L sleepers and chairs, all in stainless steel track. I have an aspirational plan for the loft which is 5.3m by about 2.6m, restricted by the roof supports/ trusses. The open baseboards all constructed, with some track base for an outside loop. The priority is to get that running, so hopefully my 4 year old daughter will spend some time with the trains while I footer about on the next stages. Other elements may or may not follow, such as Waverley, Glasgow Queen Street and Oban stations, with a section of the disused Callendar to Oban line at Ogle Glen between the latter two as a 'what if'. But also sections near Caldercruix or Lenzie between Glasgow Queen Street and Waverley, and a rural section maybe near Berwick, and either ...
... the K should be 5.75. Is there a way to find that automatically in Templot? I'm sure arithmetic with pen and paper will supply the answer, when I've thought about it a bit more. Also I read in one of your tutorials that whilst unusual it is possible to have one vee as curviform and the other as regular. This diamond I am looking at sits on the edge of a transition curve, with part of it just sitting on the dead straight. Oh and it's also a single slip (on the outside of the curve) just to make it difficult. I've got it worked out now anyway, that's just curiousity. Many thanks Derek posted: 16 Sep 2020 01:00 from: Martin Wynne DerekStuart wrote: If I know the two vees of a diamond are 1:5 and 1:7, by experimentation I have found the K should be 5.75. Is there a way to find that automatically in Templot? Hi Derek, I'm baffled how you can know the V-crossing angles without knowing the K- ...
... flat area they have a 45 degree chamfer to the sides which aren't perpendicular but appear to have a slope of up to 5 degrees. The corners are also chamfered from the flat top to the the base. The measurement at the base is 4 inches. All three types used a inch chair bolt. On the type A and B pots these are centred at 11 inches apart. Though the type B could also have them at 12 inches apart. The Type C was experimental and moved the chair bolt holes further to the outside edge of the pot. There is a inch recess in the top of all of these types to take the tie bar. I'm not sure if the pots that didn't require a tie bar had the recess. This goes in under the chair and is held in place by the inner chair bolt. As the the tie bar clears the pot it changes from being a flat 2 inch x inch flat bar to being L shaped with an extra 2 inch drop on the return. this chamfered at each end at 45 degrees ...
... high time I did something about it, so for the next program update I have implemented an alternative find intersection function: 2_301120_060000001.png Clicking that menu item shows this dialog: 2_301120_060000002.png which will find an intersection between any rail (gauge-face) or centre-line with any other rail or centre-line, on any template, straight, curved, transitioned or slewed. And on the main road or turnout road of a turnout or half-diamond. There will be only one intersection, or none if it would be outside one or both of the templates. Notice that both these turnouts contain a transition curve combined with a slew. The likelihood of anyone wanting to superimpose two such turnouts is almost nil, it's just to demonstrate the function. (Note that despite appearances the background template is a right-hand template.) Here I set it to find the intersection between the turnout-road stock rail on the background template, and the turnout-road crossing rail on the control template, with this result after a few seconds: 2_301120_060000003.png ...
148. Stub turnouts
... road. An example of a 3 way version of this type- here- presumably the turnout lever in the picture would have a detent of some type for setting the middle road? -- -- Anybody done any research into these, built any or have have any thoughts? Are both types correct for UK practice? Rob posted: 14 Aug 2020 04:41 from: Matt M. Hi Rob, I'm sure there has been an earlier discussion of stub or slide switches. I've not seen the first version before outside of some toy train sets. Probably because of the limitations it places on track geometry. Plus limitations on weight and wheelbase of stock. The second version was quite widely used. The photo attachment is Philadelphia, I think, and you can see the advantages of the switch. Also good for pushing snow off the PW. 2282_132318_200000000.jpg You are correct that there is a detent but they were considered unsafe and phased out. At least on passenger lines. In the distance you can see a small group of people next to ...
... topic: 3675 Grouping by tag picking up other templates posted: 21 May 2020 19:43 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin I've just spotted what would seem to be a bug! In my ongoing outside slip saga, I've added a prefix tag to each template of 'Slip', which shows on the trackpad as [Slip]-CR037 or whatever. When I use the group all templates with matching tag(s) functions it also picks up a couple of other templates where the name happens to start with the word Slip, but it isn't a tag- no square brackets. That wasn't the behaviour I was expecting- I just wanted those tagged templates to be grouped. The screenshot shows what I mean. I could rename the two inadvertently grouped templates but I'd be worried generally about accidentally grouping a template off-screen and moving it around with the group. You'll probably tell me it's meant to do that! Cheers, Paul 105_211440_520000000.png posted: 21 May 2020 22:47 from: Martin Wynne Hi Paul, It's definitely not meant ...
... > watch a video> Scruff Video Andrew transition diamond menu item. If that doesn't work on your system, it is also available (in poorer image quality) at: http://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=ib65pLfUkgNxFBDqAZSNyA2 When you have the diamond-crossing, adding slip roads is the same as for regular diamonds. However, looking at your plan, the crossing angle is very short and you may find that the radius for an inside slip is too tight. The solution then would be to go for an outside slip instead. Unfortunately there isn't a video for that, although you can work it out from partial templates in the usual way. regards, Martin. posted: 23 Apr 2016 22:25 from: Jubilee42 Thanks for your (as ever) helpful advice! I shall go to bed at meet the problem with renewed vigour in the morning!! Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Baffled beginners> I'm stuck again ...
... , but was there a corresponding self-guarding "K" crossing to match the self-guarding crossing(frog) on diamonds? I've had a dig around but can't come up with anything. Jim. posted: 26 Mar 2016 03:12 from: Andrew Barrowman Hi Jim, I have not seen anything either, but I think they would work as well as check (guard) rails. Whether the wheel set is pulled by force applied to the back of an opposed wheel or pushed by force applied on the outside face of the wheel's tread should not make any difference. But I could well be wrong Andrew Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> Self Guarding "K" Crossings about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors. indexing link for search engines back to top of page Please read this important note ...
... You need to be clear which radius you are comparing. I think you made a typo in your screenshot, the usual USA heel offset (" spread") is 6.25" not 6.5". regards, Martin. posted: 28 Oct 2016 22:23 from: Dave Phillips Hi Martin, The sk81 file is attached. Yes, I'm trying to match a Fast Tracks template/fixture. I'll change to CLM. I'll work on vertex length as well. This suggests that the Templot template switch blade tips should be outside the FT template blade tips. Is this correct? The blunt nose is already 1/2 inch in the provided box file. Yes, the heel offset is 6.25, not 6.5. I had previously read about the blunt nose radius and heel offset for US turnouts, but missed the CLM and vertex length. Thanks again, Dave Attachment: attach_2340_2936_HOn3_#6_from_DG_16_10_28_1311_36.sk81 257 posted: 29 Oct 2016 15:23 from: Dave Phillips If I did the math correctly, the vertex length is about 2.5 inches (actual ...
... it a specific peg position for any other use. I might, if some other use or need comes to mind. If the diagonal-road exit length hasn't been modified, it can be accessed for pegging etc., as the TEXITP peg position. However, it is present in all templates including turnouts, so it will also serve as an indicator of the handing of a template. According to the template settings it will sometimes be between the other marks (CTRL-5 and CTRL-6 ), and sometimes outside them, either way. But the significant point is that there are now 3 marks on the handed exit, and only 2 on the main-road exit.* measured along the main road. In the next program update 226c soon. cheers, Martin. posted: 29 May 2020 21:21 from: Rob Manchester Hi Martin, Thanks for the posting. Yes, the changes make a lot of sense and will help me( and others). Look forward to the update. Rob Parts of Templot Club ...
... from: Graham Long HiI am trying to get my head around some concepts related to curved track and turnouts within curved track. 1. I am designing a branchline terminus. I am not sure if I need to worry about transition curves. Are transitions only used where running speeds are much higher? 2. Does all curved track on lines running need cant regardless of it being either fixed radius or transition? 3. I read that turnout's arn't prototypical in the transition curve. Does this mean that all turnouts must be totally outside the area of transtion? posted: 14 Jun 2020 12:22 from: Martin Wynne Hi Graham, Are you asking about prototype or model? On the prototype, full mathematical transition curves are used only on fast main lines. They would always be provided with cant, the transition providing a length in which to ramp up the cant and then ramp back down to level track. For branch lines, it would be more normal to use lengths of varying fixed radius than a full mathematical transition. Even on branch lines ...
... ctrl-M the template disappears every time. What do I have to do to put the template in the background? Greetings Arno posted: 23 May 2020 17:26 from: Arno I found it. I always remove" track centre-lines" when I copy parts of templates. When I copy the K-crossing check rails I only have to allow to stand the track centre-lines to copy the templates into the background trail plan. For example, if I want to construct a double-slip with outside arcs, I leave the track centre-lines only once for the basic templates. Now I have to accept 4 additional centre-lines. Excuse me for the request. Greetings Jürgen Arno posted: 23 May 2020 23:27 from: Martin Wynne Hi Arno, Thanks for reporting this bug. I have actually had a note about it in my notebook for some time, but because of my memory problems I had forgotten all about it. I'm very sorry about that, it will be fixed in 226c program update ...
... 2020 22:14 from: Martin Wynne Mike Kynaston wrote: I have been looking round for a programming system to use on the PC, and came across this thread. Is it the Community Edition that you use for Templot or have you purchased the full blown edition? Hi Mike, I strongly advise against the Delphi Community Edition. It seems to be just a marketing exercise by Embarcadero. You will get endless nagging emails from them to buy the very expensive full version, even hinting that you are using the Community Edition outside the licence conditions. And there is no guarantee that the licence will be renewed after the first 12 months. If you are looking to do a bit of coding, I suggest Lazarus. Free and open-source: http://www.lazarus-ide.org/ It's a clone of early versions of Delphi. For Templot2 I use a very early version, Delphi5 from 1998. Templot3 is coded in Lazarus: http://sourceforge.net/projects/opentemplot/ To try running Templot3, click the T3 menu in Templot ...
157. Not quite Ogbourne
... : 15 May 2020 12:05 from: KeithArmes Hi Rich, I think that looks as good as you are going to get, unless anybody knows more about catch points inside a turnout. Possible that the two catch points are in line, sharing the same space for the tiebar drive rods. Keith posted: 16 May 2020 21:01 from: Richard Brummitt Thanks Keith, for taking another look. I wondered about the rodding sharing a gap but decided that most of these that I've seen have them separate with the outside one closer to the the main line. The angle is different for each and I guess that makes space an issue where they come through the timber gap at an angle. They would both operate from the same lever, along with the turnout in the main line, but the rod must be separated at some place for the same reason. I've done another print out. I find it easier to see things than on the screen. I guess I should also reduce the timber spacing to 2'1" in the lead where ...
... the 1:24 even with removing the rails before the switch tips forces the whole arrangement too far to the left and means a very tight curve to get everything joined up again. Thoughts of Half K crossings etc will have to wait ;) I have found some info on symmetrical Y points though and the .box file posted a while back should help a lot even though it's OO posted: 19 Sep 2019 14:54 from: Martin Wynne Hi Ian, It's a lovely sunny day. Switch the computer off and get outside. As I said, you need a short custom switch. I have come in just long enough to make you one: 2_190942_350000001.png 2_190942_350000000.png It's a 6ft curved switch. After loading the attached .box file it will be in the bottom slot of the switch list, from where you can select it into your turnouts. Or alternatively use this turnout as-is. You can adjust the size to whatever you want using F5 or F9. At 1:4 it has a radius of 11" as above. At 1 ...
... existence of the holes in this position? Re-use of old/worn running rails would seem to be the only reason I can think of and then they would only appear in a small number of check rails. Hi Rob, Check rails were often cut from recovered running rail for economy. Not necessarily excessively worn -- rail was cascaded down the system at renewals. Serviceable rail from main lines being re-used on secondary and branch lines, worn rail from there being used for sidings and yards. The former outside face of the rail would be used for the checking face, in case of any side wear on the former gauge face. Check rails were always set vertical, with solid wooden keys rather than spring steel keys. In this case GWR crossings have 11ft-6in, 14ft or 16ft check* rails, and older GWR rails would have been 44ft-6in long. So from such a rail you might cut 3 check rails -- 2 off 14ft and 1 off 16ft. And 2 of them would have fish- ...
... 2018 18:59 from: Martin Wynne Charles Warr wrote: Unfortunately using the single slip crossover did not give a slip to the siding so I used the double slip command and wiped the slip road and switches not needed. Is this legitimate? Hi Charles, Anything is legitimate on your own railway. However, that will have left unwanted extended timbers on one side, and depending on the crossing angle the check rails may have been shortened unnecessarily. Sorry I didn't read your first message properly. A slip road on the outside of a ladder is not so common on the prototype because it generally means a facing switch in the running line. But maybe I need to add that option anyway. To get what you wanted, do this: 1. start with the turnout. 2. click tools> make ordinary crossover menu item. 3. click template> convert turnout to half-diamond menu item. 4. click tools> make slip> make single slip- opposite hand menu item. This works for a straight or curved tracks. ...
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