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... , but was there a corresponding self-guarding "K" crossing to match the self-guarding crossing(frog) on diamonds? I've had a dig around but can't come up with anything. Jim. posted: 26 Mar 2016 03:12 from: Andrew Barrowman Hi Jim, I have not seen anything either, but I think they would work as well as check (guard) rails. Whether the wheel set is pulled by force applied to the back of an opposed wheel or pushed by force applied on the outside face of the wheel's tread should not make any difference. But I could well be wrong Andrew Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> Self Guarding "K" Crossings about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors. indexing link for search engines back to top of page Please read this important note ...
... ctrl-M the template disappears every time. What do I have to do to put the template in the background? Greetings Arno posted: 23 May 2020 17:26 from: Arno I found it. I always remove" track centre-lines" when I copy parts of templates. When I copy the K-crossing check rails I only have to allow to stand the track centre-lines to copy the templates into the background trail plan. For example, if I want to construct a double-slip with outside arcs, I leave the track centre-lines only once for the basic templates. Now I have to accept 4 additional centre-lines. Excuse me for the request. Greetings Jürgen Arno posted: 23 May 2020 23:27 from: Martin Wynne Hi Arno, Thanks for reporting this bug. I have actually had a note about it in my notebook for some time, but because of my memory problems I had forgotten all about it. I'm very sorry about that, it will be fixed in 226c program update ...
... it a specific peg position for any other use. I might, if some other use or need comes to mind. If the diagonal-road exit length hasn't been modified, it can be accessed for pegging etc., as the TEXITP peg position. However, it is present in all templates including turnouts, so it will also serve as an indicator of the handing of a template. According to the template settings it will sometimes be between the other marks (CTRL-5 and CTRL-6 ), and sometimes outside them, either way. But the significant point is that there are now 3 marks on the handed exit, and only 2 on the main-road exit.* measured along the main road. In the next program update 226c soon. cheers, Martin. posted: 29 May 2020 21:21 from: Rob Manchester Hi Martin, Thanks for the posting. Yes, the changes make a lot of sense and will help me( and others). Look forward to the update. Rob Parts of Templot Club ...
... from: Graham Long HiI am trying to get my head around some concepts related to curved track and turnouts within curved track. 1. I am designing a branchline terminus. I am not sure if I need to worry about transition curves. Are transitions only used where running speeds are much higher? 2. Does all curved track on lines running need cant regardless of it being either fixed radius or transition? 3. I read that turnout's arn't prototypical in the transition curve. Does this mean that all turnouts must be totally outside the area of transtion? posted: 14 Jun 2020 12:22 from: Martin Wynne Hi Graham, Are you asking about prototype or model? On the prototype, full mathematical transition curves are used only on fast main lines. They would always be provided with cant, the transition providing a length in which to ramp up the cant and then ramp back down to level track. For branch lines, it would be more normal to use lengths of varying fixed radius than a full mathematical transition. Even on branch lines ...
145. Stub turnouts
... road. An example of a 3 way version of this type- here- presumably the turnout lever in the picture would have a detent of some type for setting the middle road? -- -- Anybody done any research into these, built any or have have any thoughts? Are both types correct for UK practice? Rob posted: 14 Aug 2020 04:41 from: Matt M. Hi Rob, I'm sure there has been an earlier discussion of stub or slide switches. I've not seen the first version before outside of some toy train sets. Probably because of the limitations it places on track geometry. Plus limitations on weight and wheelbase of stock. The second version was quite widely used. The photo attachment is Philadelphia, I think, and you can see the advantages of the switch. Also good for pushing snow off the PW. 2282_132318_200000000.jpg You are correct that there is a detent but they were considered unsafe and phased out. At least on passenger lines. In the distance you can see a small group of people next to ...
... jig at the correct angle from card/wood strip/ali strip, choice of materials will depend on how many vees you have to build/longevity needed Unless you have a lot of the same crossing angles, file in a vice by eye (may be worth making some simple jaw protectors from a pair of metal angle strips), slightly over file the angle rather than under file and the gap will be filled by solder. Make a simple jig from card to check angles Depending on the track wing rail gap the outside of the foot may need reducing on the wing rail, with the wing rail cut nicks on both sides where the rail is bent The switch rails are formed much the same way, file the back off the switch rail where it touches the stock rail, file off the head on the inside. The stock rail needs the foot filed back where the switch rail touches and I put nicks in the foot of the stock rail for the set bend The handlaidtrack frog jig looks excellent and similar to the vee filing jigs, ...
... have to admit I haven't tried running two instances of Templot from Onedrive at the same time. It might be interesting to try some day to find out if there are problems. Jim. Last edited on 13 Mar 2019 17:18 by Jim Guthrie posted: 13 Mar 2019 17:29 from: Paul Boyd I do exactly the same as Jim, albeit with Google Drive. It just works. Running two instances from the same folder did nasty things, although I can't remember what exactly, but doing that is well outside Templot's remit! Paul posted: 14 Mar 2019 20:46 from: Dave Hunt Thanks everyone for the information. I must say that now I am beginning to get some idea of what Templot can do I am very impressed with it. There's still a long way to go before I can claim to be at all competent with it but I live in hope.... Dave Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums ...
... I notice some differences between the map and your plan: 2_270839_160000002.png At A the alignment and switch positions differ. At B the original curving is sharper than your design. I used the georeferenced version of the map. Did you use a different version of the map, or maybe the original single sheet version? Georeferencing does change the curvature. Or maybe some other railway map or track plan? Or are the differences intentional? You referred to a tandem turnout, but I'm not really seeing that. What I'm seeing is an outside slip. It doesn't necessarily make any difference to the final result, but it might change the approach to creating the design. cheers, Martin. posted: 27 Mar 2019 14:37 from: Geoff Lines Martin Wynne wrote: Hi Geoff, Many thanks for the file. I can't imagine how long it took to create all that -- I hope you have kept good backups. There is an option to keep them here if you wish, see: http://85a.co.uk/forum/view_category.php?id ...
... high time I did something about it, so for the next program update I have implemented an alternative find intersection function: 2_301120_060000001.png Clicking that menu item shows this dialog: 2_301120_060000002.png which will find an intersection between any rail (gauge-face) or centre-line with any other rail or centre-line, on any template, straight, curved, transitioned or slewed. And on the main road or turnout road of a turnout or half-diamond. There will be only one intersection, or none if it would be outside one or both of the templates. Notice that both these turnouts contain a transition curve combined with a slew. The likelihood of anyone wanting to superimpose two such turnouts is almost nil, it's just to demonstrate the function. (Note that despite appearances the background template is a right-hand template.) Here I set it to find the intersection between the turnout-road stock rail on the background template, and the turnout-road crossing rail on the control template, with this result after a few seconds: 2_301120_060000003.png ...
... flat area they have a 45 degree chamfer to the sides which aren't perpendicular but appear to have a slope of up to 5 degrees. The corners are also chamfered from the flat top to the the base. The measurement at the base is 4 inches. All three types used a inch chair bolt. On the type A and B pots these are centred at 11 inches apart. Though the type B could also have them at 12 inches apart. The Type C was experimental and moved the chair bolt holes further to the outside edge of the pot. There is a inch recess in the top of all of these types to take the tie bar. I'm not sure if the pots that didn't require a tie bar had the recess. This goes in under the chair and is held in place by the inner chair bolt. As the the tie bar clears the pot it changes from being a flat 2 inch x inch flat bar to being L shaped with an extra 2 inch drop on the return. this chamfered at each end at 45 degrees ...
... the K should be 5.75. Is there a way to find that automatically in Templot? I'm sure arithmetic with pen and paper will supply the answer, when I've thought about it a bit more. Also I read in one of your tutorials that whilst unusual it is possible to have one vee as curviform and the other as regular. This diamond I am looking at sits on the edge of a transition curve, with part of it just sitting on the dead straight. Oh and it's also a single slip (on the outside of the curve) just to make it difficult. I've got it worked out now anyway, that's just curiousity. Many thanks Derek posted: 16 Sep 2020 01:00 from: Martin Wynne DerekStuart wrote: If I know the two vees of a diamond are 1:5 and 1:7, by experimentation I have found the K should be 5.75. Is there a way to find that automatically in Templot? Hi Derek, I'm baffled how you can know the V-crossing angles without knowing the K- ...
152. hello
... I have managed to print out my first ladder crossover with two B-6 turnouts across four main lines. I am working in OO-SF, want to build the turnouts, and am using DCC concepts flexi track, and hope to install some concrete sleeper track using C&L sleepers and chairs, all in stainless steel track. I have an aspirational plan for the loft which is 5.3m by about 2.6m, restricted by the roof supports/ trusses. The open baseboards all constructed, with some track base for an outside loop. The priority is to get that running, so hopefully my 4 year old daughter will spend some time with the trains while I footer about on the next stages. Other elements may or may not follow, such as Waverley, Glasgow Queen Street and Oban stations, with a section of the disused Callendar to Oban line at Ogle Glen between the latter two as a 'what if'. But also sections near Caldercruix or Lenzie between Glasgow Queen Street and Waverley, and a rural section maybe near Berwick, and either ...
... existence of the holes in this position? Re-use of old/worn running rails would seem to be the only reason I can think of and then they would only appear in a small number of check rails. Hi Rob, Check rails were often cut from recovered running rail for economy. Not necessarily excessively worn -- rail was cascaded down the system at renewals. Serviceable rail from main lines being re-used on secondary and branch lines, worn rail from there being used for sidings and yards. The former outside face of the rail would be used for the checking face, in case of any side wear on the former gauge face. Check rails were always set vertical, with solid wooden keys rather than spring steel keys. In this case GWR crossings have 11ft-6in, 14ft or 16ft check* rails, and older GWR rails would have been 44ft-6in long. So from such a rail you might cut 3 check rails -- 2 off 14ft and 1 off 16ft. And 2 of them would have fish- ...
... just a shunting plank. posted: 20 Mar 2016 22:42 from: Hayfield Nigel That's the idea in the long term. The short tern m is that I have a full height cupboard which is 50" wide and 30" deep with double doors so I can fit a 2'deep building bench and close the doors behind me. A board with the turnout, slip and shed will be about 4' long but at least the route to Parkway is curved, a bit of modellers licence will be required or perhaps go outside? Initially may be a good piece to demonstrate track building, and best of all I have all the parts in stock One thought is to change the slip into a switched diamond as the crossings are 1-6. Thanks for the info posted: 1 May 2016 10:40 from: Richard_Jones Hi Hayfield, Have you tried this resource for track plans: http://maps.nls.uk/view/105993571 There only appears to be the 1907/08 plan available on the 25" to the mile series Good luck ...
... 11 posted: 21 Dec 2020 12:07 from: Hayfield So here is my version, I think I have got the left hand turnout within the second part of the crossover, and why was it not a slip? looking at the map in the book it shows a wagon turntable and presumably a wagon lift to ground level The idea is to possibly make a small diorama, with the road bridge being slightly left of centre and perhaps the road being slightly more angled left to right One question is how far from the outside rail would the viaduct wall be Attachment: attach_3190_3828_New_St_Martins_St reet_EM.mecbox 80 Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Share and show> London Docks extension about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors. indexing link for search engines back to top of page Please read this important note about copyright: Unless stated otherwise, all the ...
156. shiny rails
... track has been used for quite some while, which just adds to the puzzle of the apparently shiny finish. Regards Tony. I wonder if it's all a trick of the light and melted snow. Look at the right hand rail in the foreground, it isn't shiny at all, also the shine is coming from the transition from horizontal to vertical part of the rail. If it is traffic that has caused the shine why is it always the the right hand side that is shiny when some of those should be on the outside of the rail where a flange doesn't normally go? John from 33820 St Ciers posted: 7 Dec 2020 23:47 from: roythebus It's got to be a trick of the light. posted: 8 Dec 2020 04:44 from: Andrew Barrowman And also, where is it? France perhaps? posted: 8 Dec 2020 09:07 from: Tony W I did wonder if the effect was caused by a layer of frost catching the light. Looks cold enough. Regards Tony. posted: 8 Dec 2020 ...
... topic: 3831 Insert a straight in curved irregular diamond? posted: 8 Dec 2020 16:00 from: Julian Roberts Hi Martin As you saw on the Scalefour Forum, I'm making a curving irregular single slip for my Kyle project. http://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f =5 &t =7028&start=25 You explained that the K crossings on a curving diamond have to be within limits, and at 1:7.5 I'm outside the limit in P4, though in S4 it might be OK. As I see it I've got three options :- 1 Ignore your warning and carry on regardless (I'm not getting any derailments on extensive testing of propelled vehicles, nor any other except a bit of hopping where wheels prove to have incorrect BB. However, it is possible to manually steer a vehicle the "wrong way", including a coach bogie) 2 Convert to switched K crossings- which is not realistic, as the photo shows 3. Redesign the crossing- the assembly is far from complete. ...
158. Straight Switches
... the switch rail length is 114.3mm and the offset to the inner side of the rail at the heel is 3.57mm- all this checked out on the template and on the switch when I built it. The problem is that with a rail width of 2.2mm, that leaves a gap of 1.37mm between the outer edge of the switch rail at the heel and the inner side of the stock rail, which is less than the check rail gap of 1.5mm. So it looks as though the back of the flanges would connect with the outside of the switch heel. I'm modelling the Caledonian and looking at the distance between the switch heels and the stock rails in the pointwork in the pictures of Brechin station trackwork in this message in a thread in the CRA forum... http://www.crassoc.org.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f =6 &t =415&p =2466&hilit=boxing#p2466...the distance would appear to be around the width of the rail, or about 2.2mm in P-32, which would give more than ...
... layouts. See http://www.morop.org/index.php/de/nem-normen.html Downloadable pdf from this page: NEM 962 F Anlagen-Module Nenngröße 0- CDZ Thanks Roger. But that just tips me into the mass of conflicting dimensions which I remember when originally compiling the gauge list for non-UK gauges. The 95mm dimension appears to apply for modular layouts only. However, modular layouts using finescale handbuilt track are all but unknown to me -- I don't think I have ever seen one. For straight track outside stations the spacing is given as 89mm centres which is presumably rounded from prototype 4-metre centres at 1:45, from NEM 112: 2_021421_470000000.png For curves a range of dimensions is given, for vehicle groups A, B, C: 2_021424_270000000.png No-one sensibly builds 0 gauge below about 1400mm (4ft-6in) radius for running lines, except perhaps for industrial layouts -- and there double-track would be unusual. All this stuff seems more applicable to AnyRail than Templot -- I would much prefer ...
... , the radius at 1:2.75 is down to a mere 3". You could get it shorter, or an easier angle for the same length, by reducing the track centre-to-centre spacing. But that may not leave a running clearance for your trains. It would be best if you can go back to the beginning and explain what you are trying to do. Perhaps you could post your .box file here, or maybe some photos of your models. Templot can do all this, but it is outside the range of most users. regards, Martin. posted: 10 Dec 2017 14:17 from: Z Gauge Tim Hi Martin and Andrew, you are probably right- I plan to run a large loco. I have increased the length to 120 mm and angle to 3, but I guess it's not enough. I am building a small Z gauge layout, the space is limited, so I have decided to use smaller turnouts, but it looks like they are not going to work. I will build a ...
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