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... topic: 2679 Scruff video- diamond-crossing on transition curve posted: 3 May 2015 01:29 from: Martin Wynne I have revised and extended the Scruff video which I made for Andrew Duncan showing how to create an irregular diamond-crossing at the intersection of transition curves. There is a new section showing how to use partial templates to get a more accurate match to the underlying transition, and I have added a few more notes. When you next restart Templot, you should find it in the watch a video list: 2_272027_490000000.png If it's not there, click the help> obtain video list menu item and try again. For those who can't play the FBR videos, it is also available online from FlashBack Connect here: http://flashbackconnect.com/Default.aspx?id=ib65pLfUkgNxFBDqAZSNyA2 That's an MP4 online video, so the text is a bit fuzzy. It is much clearer in the FBR version. regards, Martin. posted: 4 May 2015 01:13 from: Andrew Duncan Hello Martin Thanks again for helping me out with ...
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... there is the original Templot Companion web site. Mostly written 15 years ago and barely updated since, including some lengthy static tutorials. Large parts of it are now out of date, or have been overtaken subsequently by many new features and functions. But it still contains more information in one place than anywhere else: 2_031328_430000000.png It's here: http://templot.com/martweb/templot_gs.htm 2. A few years after that, I started creating the Camtasia downloadable videos. They are also mostly out of date. There is a partial list of them on this page: 2_031328_430000001.png It's here: http://templot.com/martweb/video_list.htm 3. As the old versions developed I created two long pages explaining all the additional features introduced. Those pages contain masses of information which has never been linked in anywhere else: 2_031328_430000002.png Find them here: http://templot.com/martweb/pug_info.htm 4. Separately from all that, the Templot program itself has always contained some lengthy Help notes on the various functions and settings. But none of that is integrated ...
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... anyone could remind me or point out the previous discussion, I'd really appreciate it.Thanks, Derek posted: 16 Aug 2015 00:19 from: Martin Wynne Hi Derek, Generally if you use M make the control, you don't also need to store any templates, the "make" functions do that for you. If you store it yourself you will get duplicated templates. If you use T delete to the control, then you must store the templates yourself. These different options give you maximum flexibility, especially when using multiple partial templates, but can seem confusing for beginners. This topic covers the matter in detail, including a bit of video: topic 2534 If you can't select a template by clicking on it, because other templates are in the same place, hold down the SHIFT key or put the CAPS LOCK on. Then you can select any template by clicking on its name label (which may not be near the template). The templates will highlight as you move over the labels. If the labels themselves are overlapping, select the ...
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... switch changing. The menu item is disabled when the F5 mouse action is not active. All of which is completely out of date and irrelevant, because you should no longer be using the F5 mouse action to adjust the middle V-crossings of tandem turnouts. It is now much easier to use the F9 mouse action instead, which doesn't affect the switch. Furthermore, you may not have a switch to lock. For the middle V-crossing in a tandem turnout it is now usually much more convenient to use a partial irregular half-diamond or a gaunt turnout template, neither of which have a switch. All of which illustrates how out-of-date the tandem video is. I have more than once been on the point of deleting it, but hesitated because I simply don't have anything ready with which to replace it. See: topic 2418- message 16361 I really sorry about this situation, and to be honest I'm approaching despair in ever getting the Templot docs sufficiently finished before most users just give up. If you search ...
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... . I have lined them up using 'shove timbers' in 'real' but it requires a lot of work to make the timbers upright. Hi Allan, Welcome to Templot Club. I replied on this very subject yesterday, see: topic 2765- message 19267 Symmetrical Y-turnouts (quite rare on the prototype, but much-loved by modellers) require a split-deflection switch, which are not (yet) supported on Templot. You can improvise a symmetrical Y-turnout by various means, or create one using partial templates. There is a tutorial about all this here (sorry it is a bit out of date): http://templot.com/martweb/y_symm.htm Be sure to read the update here: topic 603- message 3398 before trying the tutorial. I'm intending to add some new functions on the shove timbers dialog to set all timbers to the same angle, and adjust the angle by mouse action. In the next program update (if I can find room for yet more buttons). regards, Martin. posted ...
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... line linking to it looked very odd and confusing. But at that time I left the turnouts unchanged -- as far as I can recall no-one has ever commented on this feature of Templot. But it is not entirely convenient, so I have belatedly done something about it. The turnout-road centre-line will now follow the curve, and terminate at the switch heel: 2_300829_040000001.png This is still visible, just, as a hand marker when zoomed out: 2_300829_040000002.png This now makes it much easier to peg partial templates onto the turnout curve -- for example when inserting catch points into a turnout, or creating type-2 tandems where the second switch is in the turnout road of the first switch. Previously to do this it was necessary to run the peg along the rail rather than the centre-line to the required position. Now you can start from say CTRL-6 peg position and run it directly down the centre-line (CTRL-F8 mouse action). Here for example I have inserted a set of ...
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... need to create a separate switch front, it could be pegged directly onto an existing approach track. Then rolling the rails to put the switch-front rail joints in the right place. It's not a perfect solution, because being a half-diamond template some turnout functions are not available. For example you can't have a joggled switch -- a prototypical REA semi-curved switch with straight planing it isn't. It represents a typical curved switch of no specific prototype. But as a quick alternative to a full construction using partial templates I think it will be very useful. edit: I have now taken this a bit further, and added an option to replace the K-crossing timbering with the timber spacings and rail joint positions from any switch you choose (or those for a custom switch). This works best if you match the K-crossing angle with the switch deflection angle. For example in this case I selected a GWR 10ft curved switch, and set the K-crossing angle to 1:37 to match: 2_292120_090000000.png This ...
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... the 'prototype for everything' (odd use of a special chair to support a fish plate) posted: 9 Nov 2015 14:25 from: DerekStuart I thought this might be of interest to some people. It appears to be a slide chair or other special chair that has a bolt hole, supporting a fish plate. Presumably at some point it has had a bolt right through it and the fish plate. It isn't my photo, so I will just leave a URL. Incidentally, just behind the camera is a partial original NER interlaced turnout. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55727763@N02/8279220332/ Last edited on 9 Nov 2015 14:27 by DerekStuart Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Prototype pics> One for the 'prototype for everything' (odd use of a special chair to support a fish plate) about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: ...
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... usually a "Castle" or a "Hall" from Chester. Feel free to criticise, I'm still feeling my way and getting to learn the best way to "build" a plan up. Kind regards, Jim Attachment: attach_351_569_Wolverhampton_Low_L evel_V1.box 485 posted: 26 Sep 2008 23:42 from: davelong I've always loved the trackwork out of Wolverhampton low level, it's track formations that you just don't get anymore! Mighty impressive size you have there, is it to scale? Irregular diamonds tend to need the use of multiple partial templates, but I think Martin might have a way around that? Dave posted: 28 Sep 2008 14:04 from: JimH Hi Dave, Yes it was a fantastic layout, unfortunately as you say the accountants rule the planning now, not the engineers! It's drawn in 4mm scale over the 1919 trackplan, I'm going to have to rationalise a bit to fit in the actual space I have, but it's great to draw the full plan to actual scale. I'll do another one for the actual model. As ...
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... rather than get a newer design authorised. http://www.sixbellsjunction.co.uk/80s/840512dp.htm Battersby run around loop at the Picton End; about to be traversed by a blue Brush 4. About half way down the page. EDIT: Note also that it has original 4 hole chairs, rather than the 3 hole later used by LNER/REA/BR designs. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55727763@N02/7614284136/ Battersby at the Whitby/ Tees end by the former signal box. This is a partially interlaced turnout. Note that it has check rails that conform to LNER/REA specification, rather than the 'curly' type used by the NER. According to NERA documents, the LNER did not use interlaced turnouts for renewals. http://www.flickr.com/photos/55727763@N02/8358449635/ This is the switch end of the above turnout. Note that there is only one single sleeper ahead of the toe (NER practice) and that the blade tips cover the whole of the first slide chair (NOT NER ...
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... the existing points rodding it may need shortening to fit. The relaying inspector can do that by increasing the length of the entry straight. Try it in Templot -- SHIFT+ F11 mouse action increases the entry-straight which shortens the turnout, which can seem counter-intuitive until you try it. Likewise a turnout lead length can be increased from the standard length by inserting a straight between the heel of the switch and the turnout curve. However that is not common in the UK and Templot doesn't support it except using partial templates. It is more common in the USA. regards, Martin. posted: 12 Nov 2015 19:11 from: DerekStuart Thanks Martin, that's just the info I wanted. I haven't received my BRT3 copy through the post yet. You've explained entry straights in quite some detail now and that is very much appreciated. I appreciate that "non-standard" track can be infinite, but on balance of probability I am more inclined to think this is a B9 rather than a B7 as a small point rod ...
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... . Every time a template is added or deleted the entire box is renumbered. Or when the templates are moved up or down in the storage box using the brown arrow buttons. The only real use of the numbers is to control the order in which the template are output, so that you can control which one is overlaid on which other one. This is sometimes important for the diagram mode output on the sketchboard where you have one track crossing another on a bridge, for example. It can also be important when using partial templates. For example when printing a slip template, the slip switches need to be printed after the underlying half-diamonds to show the correct rail edges through the switch. Instead of the numbers, to keep track of which template is which, you can either use the marker colours, or ideally the tagging system. In the next Templot version update you will be able to see the colours in the storage box, but currently in 213a you can't do that, so I recommend using the tagging system. It is ...
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... my question is, just how do you make crossings into a buildable template for those that cross closer to 90 degrees? Cheers Bruce posted: 11 Oct 2008 12:40 from: Martin Wynne BruceN wrote: So my question is, just how do you make crossings into a buildable template for those that cross closer to 90 degrees? Hi Bruce, There isn't an easy answer I'm afraid, 1:2 is the crossing-angle limit for Templot at present. After that you are on your own with a lot of partial templates. You also need some detailed prototype data, because there is nothing very standard about short-angle crossings, they vary by company and location. So even if Templot could provide the geometry, you still wouldn't have a buildable prototype template. We've been here before -- more info and a drawing at: short-angle crossings regards, Martin. posted: 11 Oct 2008 22:42 from: BruceN Thanks Martin I model US style track which is way different to UK track and it's methods. I think ...
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... 31 from: Martin Wynne Martion Elsworth wrote: I've been trying to find the Make Transition function but can't- where is it please? Hi Martin, Welcome to Templot Cub. Click on a background template, and then this item on its menu: 2_071314_380000000.png The result will be a transition curve between the two curves: 2_071314_380000001.png Your next task is to adjust the length of it, and/or delete the original template(s ), as required. (In the next Templot update version, the length adjustment will be partially automated.) More about transition curves in Templot: http://templot.com/martweb/gs_geometry.htm#transition More about the make transition functions: http://templot.com/martweb/info_files/make_trans.htm Sorry that is over 10 years out of date and lots of things could now be done differently, but the basics are still the same. Also, this old video shows how to use the make transition function in the second half: parallel platform using transition curve (5 mins, 5MB) (Press the SPACEBAR ...
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... topic: 2849 12mm gauge Baseler double slip 1:7 215m radius posted: 24 Feb 2016 19:08 from: Bernard Haste Is it possible to draw this in Templot please? Bernard Haste posted: 24 Feb 2016 19:19 from: Martin Wynne Hi Bernard, Yes, as a series of partial templates, in the same way as other complex formations. It is essentially a double outside slip: 2001-07-19.0004.DKW-Baeseler.jpg image from Wikimedia Commons Except in P4, S7, etc., it will be difficult to make an exact model with wider than scale flangeways -- a more usual UK-style double outside slip would be easier: double_outslip.jpg regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> 12mm gauge Baseler double slip 1:7 215m radius about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first- ...
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... system, it is also available (in poorer image quality) at: http://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=ib65pLfUkgNxFBDqAZSNyA2 When you have the diamond-crossing, adding slip roads is the same as for regular diamonds. However, looking at your plan, the crossing angle is very short and you may find that the radius for an inside slip is too tight. The solution then would be to go for an outside slip instead. Unfortunately there isn't a video for that, although you can work it out from partial templates in the usual way. regards, Martin. posted: 23 Apr 2016 22:25 from: Jubilee42 Thanks for your (as ever) helpful advice! I shall go to bed at meet the problem with renewed vigour in the morning!! Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Baffled beginners> I'm stuck again ..Single slip about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners ...
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... Hello Tony The way I would do that (which may not be the 'official' way) would be to curve the control template along the route you want and then change the vee to a curviform and then increase/decrease the angle until you get it how you want. (trying to keep to whole or half numbers- ie 6,6.5,7 etc) That will give you a very close approximation of a Y. Also set timbering to equalised. To get a more precise Y, you need to use partial templates, including half an ordinary crossover, but if I understand rightly you aren't quite at that point yet. I'm sure others will be better placed how to make a more precise Y when you are ready to do so. Good luck. posted: 14 Oct 2017 13:57 from: Martin Wynne Tony McGartland wrote: Think I've got it, I made a split at the peg, highlighted the branch, made it the control, then placed the turnout. Its a left-hand turnout, can I change ...
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... need to decide between in-line or centralized timber ends. More about that in this group message: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/templot/message/773 There is also a lot of further discussion about timbering in this group sequence: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/templot/messages/2053?expand=1 Apart from equalized-incremental and square-on, Templot also has two further timbering styles- equalized constant and angled-on. These are intended for use when you are using superimposed partial templates, as an aid to subsequent timber shoving. (Equalized constant is also used for half-diamonds, of course.) I'm not aware that either of these styles would ever be correct for a single turnout- unless anyone knows otherwise? Secondly I am used to points being described in inch radius, I understand that I will now work in crossing angles, but is there a simple chart or a rule of thumb which tells me what the equivalent crossing angles are to 36", 48" and 60" ...
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... which I think works better and is buildable. Just not sure on the placement of the 'vee' on the bottom road. Attachment: attach_2558_3119_Worcester_Street _MPD.box 228 posted: 2 Nov 2017 23:20 from: Martin Wynne Hi Richie, See this recent topic for links: topic 3098 Sorry I don't have time today for a detailed reply. regards, Martin. posted: 3 Nov 2017 18:14 from: DerekStuart Hello Richie You don't convert the multiple templates into one as such. For printing, if you select each relevant partial template (it turns white) then press G, it turns red. Do that until you have all the templates you want and then go to OUTPUT at the top and select PRINT GROUP TEMPLATES ONLY. If the page origin is too far from your templates you might have to accept/skip some blank pages until it gets to your template (it's self explanatory when you see it). Or alternatively there's an option to reset the page origin (the 0,0 co-ordinates- the little green blob) ...
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... . The reason for this is to provide a neater result when using the thick centre-lines only output option instead of diagram-mode output. But I often used the previous centre-line start as a quick way to identify the hand of a template in track plans when zoomed out. 2. So I have extended the drive slot marker on the switch handing side instead. The marker is purely symbolic, its dimensions do not have any meaning. This will also be a convenient handing marker when switches are used as partial templates in slips and tandems, etc. 3. There is a new guide mark in the turnout-road exit, at a new position called internally THDP. It is always 9ft* from the blunt nose. Its sole purpose is in the make diamond-crossing at intersection function to mark the default diagonal-road exit boundary, so I haven't given it a specific peg position for any other use. I might, if some other use or need comes to mind. If the diagonal-road exit length hasn't ...
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