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... that.) As the inventor of the "00-SF" designation I can uninvent it. And I have now done so. I have changed the designation to 4-SF in Templot: This is a naming change only. If you have been using Templot for 00-SF there will be no change to your files or designs. I'm hoping to have a Templot program update available in the next few days. I have also registered the domain 4-sf.uk and I will be copying the content from 00-sf.org.uk shortly. edit October 2020: with 5 years hindsight the above was a mistake. I have reverted to the 00-SF designation in Templot v. 227a and the 4-sf.uk domain has expired. The information about 00-SF remains at: http://00-sf.org.uk Martin. posted: 24 Sep 2015 22:50 from: Trevor Walling Hello Martin, Just a thought Martin, If you have decided to change the name what about calling it 16.2-SF. I would think that renders any ...
... , the easiest solution is to wind some fuse wire into them until they are not. A tiny smear of paint will seal the loose end of the wire. The gauge of the track should have no effect on the positioning of check rails. If you are using multi-slot gauges having more than 2 slots, please don't. Please? This is how the gauging of check rails should work: 2_102021_190000000.png More information about gauging is here, just add 2mm to everything there for EM: http://00-sf.org.uk If using combined check rail/stock rail chairs (as far as I know there are none such available for EM, despite the Exactoscale web site describing 0.8mm check chairs as "EM" -- they should be 1.0mm for EM), it is important to set them using the check rail gauges and check rails. The stock rail can then be left to its own devices through them, regardless of its gauge. cheers, Martin. posted: 14 Jan 2019 14:18 from: Andrew Duncan Rob Manchester wrote ...
... Hi Steve, But they won't be able to use it elsewhere after widening to 14.8mm back-to-back. "EM minus 2" -- 00-SF 16.2mm really is far and away the best solution for 00 fine-scale track. RTR stock runs without wheel-drop straight from the box. Finer wheels work equally well. Because you are not modifying the wheels, the stock remains compatible with all other 00 gauge layouts. Precision gauge tools are available from Brian Tulley: http://00-sf.org.uk But each to his own. regards, Martin. posted: 14 Oct 2013 18:16 from: Steve Stubbs All the stock with 14.8mm back to back runs quite happily on the trackwork at Bath Green Park.... At least my 75- odd wagons do. I blame Normal solomans trackwork.... regards Steve( studying the double slip- thanks for that) posted: 14 Oct 2013 19:39 from: Martin Wynne Steve Stubbs wrote: All the stock with 14.8mm back to back runs ...
... Peco turnouts or existing 00-BF turnouts in the fiddle yard at the back. And if you already have a layout in 00-BF or Peco, you can convert it to 00-SF one turnout at a time. Apart from improved running, a big advantage of both DOGA Fine and 00-SF is the much improved appearance of the track with narrower 1.0mm flangeways. As can be seen in the diagram on the 00-SF group's front page, and in the diagrams at http://00-sf.org.uk. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- As for a personal recommendation, I think your choice is between 00-BF (DOGA Intermediate) and 00-SF. Use 00-BF if you don't even want to think about wheels and don't mind the appearance of the wider flangeways or the possibility of a slight bump with Alan Gibson and Ultrascale wheels. Gauges for ...
... wheel by a fraction, and widen the effective width of the gap by a fraction, respectively. So maybe sharpen the vee to 0.15mm wide nose, thus ensuring that the tread part of the wheel is always resting on the top surface part of the rail. It is unfortunate that the original designers of the EM wheel profile didn't allow for these factors by making the minimum wheel width 2.4mm. For more details of wheel settings and gaps for EM, see this page (scroll down): http://00-sf.org.uk and add 2mm to the relevant dimensions. But note that by default, Templot draws the templates with a proper full-width blunt nose: 2_160721_340000000.png This means that if you make a sharp vee, and align the rails correctly to such a template, the vee nose will be overhanging the "A" timber in fresh air between the timbers, aligned to the FP intersection mark. Which again looks awful. If you want to use sharper vees, you need to print new templates after adjusting the blunt nose width at ...
... Martin Wynne Hi Godfrey, If RP-25/110 wheels (i.e. ex 00 RTR) wheels are used on EM they should be set to 16.4mm back-to-back, in other words 4-SF (00-SF)+ 2mm. The significant dimension is the back-to-flange dimension, which should not exceed the 17.2mm EM check gauge. With flanges 0.8mm thick, that means the maximum back-to-back is 16.4mm. For EM dimensions go to http://00-sf.org.uk and add 2mm to all figures. regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Off track> Wheel Profiles 4mm- 00-SF and EM about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors. indexing link for search engines back to top of page Please read this important note about copyright: Unless ...
... page-4 The width of the Gauge slots is 1.0mm+/-0.02mm (it being a lot easier to get a 1mm milling cutter than a 0.95mm cutter...), whilst the slot depth is 0.9- 0.95mm (not a critical dimension); the Gauge width between the inner and outer pairs of slots is 16.20- 16.23mm; the distance between the outer faces of the wider pair of Gauge slots is 30mm+/-0.1mm. Pictures of all Gauges are here: http://00-sf.org.uk/#gauge_tools Please bear in mind that the Gauges I supplied (now C&L) were originally designed for use with C&L Code 75 Bullhead Rail; other rail sections (and rail from other suppliers) may require different slot widths; see here (Post #134): http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/94567-00-sf-and-00-bf-can-you-mix/page-6 HTH Brian posted: 4 Sep 2015 06: ...
... are not right neither is the closure rail curvature the same as a generated turnout, please see attachment, are these correctable? Hi Godders, Everything is correctable. But first I have to understand what you are trying to do? If you have an existing Peco layout and you want a drop-in replacement in 00-SF for the Peco Large Radius turnout, the nearest close match seems to be a GWR 10ft switch with a 1:6 curviform crossing. See the diagrams here: http://00-sf.org.uk 00sf_10ft_6_v_peco1.png If you want to rebuild a Peco layout rather than make an exact copy, it would be better to use say an ordinary B-6 or A-7 turnout in place of the Peco Large Radius turnouts. You can probably save some space by reducing the track centres spacing to the scale 44.67mm dimension (except on sharp curves). If you are using the shorter Peco turnouts, I wonder whether 00-SF is the best choice, and you may do better in 00-BF. regards, Martin ...
... are looking for, or just need a double check for reassurance. We all are very grateful for your assistance. Perhaps an additional section or forum for frequently asked questions. Encourage the owner of the 00sf website to add a few more pages etc may help posted: 27 Mar 2015 09:26 from: Martin Wynne Hayfield wrote: Encourage the owner of the 00sf website to add a few more pages etc may help Hi John, I'm the owner of the 00-SF web site: http://00-sf.org.uk Rodney Hills owns the 00-SF Yahoo Group: http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/00-SF/info Yesterday I came across some old paperwork for my trade stand at the Gauge 0 Guild show at Telford 1998. That was the first time I started selling Templot. That's 17 years ago now, and it soon became clear that not only did I have to explain the software, but also the basics of building model track. Not something I ever expected or wanted to do. I have ...
... it would probably be better to use slightly smaller sizes, to match the printable area on your printer (which is probably less than the full A3 edge-to-edge dimensions). 4. You mentioned the C&L 00-DOGAF standard. Have you looked at the 00-SF alternative (16.2mm) which avoids the need to widen wheel back-to-backs? Most modern RTR models run straight from the box on fine scale 00-SF. More info at: http://00-sf.org.uk and much discussion on the RMweb forum. regards, Martin. posted: 21 Jul 2012 17:29 from: keithj15 Hi Martin, Doh! I missed that menu — case of wood, trees and looking too hard. So I am now getting the control template printed to PDF, however when I try to include the background image (150dpi greyscale bmp file) I get the message that it has failed to print the background due to lack of resources, and suggests replacing the image with one of lower resolution. ...
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... started a Yahoo Group to act as a focal point for exchange of information about adjusting some dimensions in "00 gauge" trackwork for better appearance and maybe running as well. Over that 10+ years there have been 1241 posts. Current summary at end of this post. This has partly stimulated sustantial discussion/arguments/criticism/nay-even-censorship elsewhere on Sir Tim's wwww (wonderful world wide web). Best Regards to you Martin, from Rodney.... Group Website http://00-SF.org.uk Group Information Members: 255 Category: Narrow Gauge Founded: Jan 15, 2007 Language: English Group Settings This is a public group. Attachments are not permitted. Members cannot hide email address. Listed in Yahoo Groups directory. Membership does not require approval. Messages from new members require approval. All members can post messages. Last edited on 19 Oct 2017 18:18 by rodney_hills posted: 19 Oct 2017 20:33 from: Nigel Brown Doing pretty well, I think. Found I'd contributed to this discussion 10 ...
... as the flattest angle safe for fixed K-crossings. Use switch-diamonds (i.e. with movable K-crossings) for flatter diamonds and slips or even for 1:6 if it is on a curve. There is so much slop in the 00 gauge standards that wheels can very easily mis-track and take the wrong road in flat-angle fixed K-crossings. You could consider tightening things up by using 00-SF instead of 00-BF -- see: http://00-sf.org.uk but I would still recommend a switch diamond for a curved 1:7. In fact a switch-diamond is quite a bit easier to build than fixed K-crossings, the only disadvantage being the need for additional point motors. More discussion here: topic 288 That's a rather old topic and a bit out of date -- Templot2 now supports irregular diamonds directly. *I use the terms "flatter than 1:6" or "longer than 1:6" or "gentler than 1:6" ...
... the back to back spec on my stock as I buy it using the C&L back-to-backometer. This lessens side wobble, especially noticeable on some steam locos. Hi Roy, If you adopt 00-SF standards (16.2mm gauge, 1.0mm flangeways) you get the same results without needing to modify any back-to-backs. 00-SF is listed in Templot. The gauge tools for 00-SF are now available again from Brian Tulley. More info: http://00-sf.org.uk Gordon S of this parish is now adopting 00-SF on his popular Eastwood Town project, using SMP Scaleway for the plain track (9 pages): http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/3422-eastwood-town-update/ regards, Martin. posted: 13 Aug 2010 13:02 from: roythebus Sorry, got the wrong gauge there, I meant fine scale 16.5, not the 16.2 version. The late Frank Dyer used 16.2 on the track he built for dyers End on ...
... ? If you are replacing the Peco track you don't necessarily need an exact match. For example a crossover made from Peco Large Radius turnouts could probably be replaced with an ordinary A-7 crossover, and look much better as a result: 00sf_a7_v_peco1.png If you want a closer match to the original, a turnout with a GWR 10ft curved switch and a 1:6 curviform crossing gets close: 00sf_10ft_6_v_peco1.png See also the option of using 00-SF standards if you are handbuilding in 00 gauge: http://00-sf.org.uk regards, Martin. posted: 3 May 2010 13:45 from: roythebus Thanks Martin, I was trying to say I need something that will braodly replace the Peco points without having to alter basebaord joints, platforms and structures etc! I was trying to work out the crossing angle of the Peco stuff.Your comment has answered that for me, thanks. Hopefully the wiring can be re-used as I always use droppers through the board. posted: 3 May 2010 14:06 from: Martin Wynne roythebus wrote: ...
... for 00-SF track: Track gauge: 16.2mm min. Check gauge: 15.2mm min. V-crossing flangeway: 1.0mm min 1.1mm max Check span: 14.3mm max. which keeps everything to one place of decimals. More on 00-SF in Files document: 00-SF.MAIN.BENEFIT.txt Direct URL for that:< http://f1.grp.yahoofs.com/v1/kOvASmn4zZGhlYgZDb4FqjaLDn88BYQxIy cAlGW8iR1tfyn20c1d3MDmzXt3F6XuQhqH qosw0nuZZSqMekWzTQ/00-SF.MAIN.BENEFIT.txt%20> Regards, Rodney Hills http://groups.yahoo.com/group/00-SF/ http://00-sf.org.uk/ Attachment: attach_655_941_A_COMPARISION_OF_00 _GAUGE_STANDARDS.doc 2228 posted: 28 Sep 2009 19:41 from: Martin Wynne rodney_hills wrote: Yes, 00 has many standards to choose from! One of the documents in the 00-SF Yahoo Group tries to summarise them: Hi Mark, Rodney, Those links won't work very well. The same thing is already on here: message 567 regards, Martin. posted: 28 Sep 2009 19:42 from: Ajax Many thanks for the info Rodney, that word doc was particualy helpful in clearing ...
... that RTR models would improve so much that they could be run unmodified on such good looking track. But hard on your heels is another 00-SF layout, and more excellent trackwork construction pics posted today by John (Hayfield of this parish): http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p =411440#p411440 Here's one of them: 1112jz2.jpg© Hayfield Thanks for the pics John. It's looking real good. I hope Rodney Hills is noting this flurry of activity for the http://00-sf.org.uk web site. Martin. posted: 29 Jul 2008 13:46 from: Paul Hamilton All lovely stuff guys. This of course begs the question. What's in EM then today? I guess the lack of perceived narrow gauge appearance when looking at the locos etc head on and I guess easier locomotive construction (fitting inside working valve gear comes to mind!) But what else? Have I missed the boat by deciding to go to EM? I don't really think so myself (which is I guess all that matters ...
... with centre auto-couplings/buffers then you can of course go down to much sharper train-set curves, although you will need to provide gauge widening for both 00-SF and stock converted to EM. For 00-BF gauge-widening isn't needed, but the problems with functional side-buffers on curves may be worse. You might find the 00-SF group helpful in deciding between 00 and EM. See http://groups.yahoo.com/group/00-SF and http://00-sf.org.uk regards, Martin. posted: 26 Jun 2008 13:44 from: Paul Hamilton Martin, Thanks for the info, I think the original XtrkCAD version had minimum radius of 30" and that was with out the flexibility to customise the turnouts the way Templot allows so I would be comfortable trying Templot out further to see what plan can be built before making the decision to go back to 00. posted: 26 Jun 2008 18:36 from: Martin Wynne Hi Paul, I have added a few more ideas to ...
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... Richard Last edited on 12 Jun 2008 20:33 by BeamEnds posted: 12 Jun 2008 21:35 from: Martin Wynne BeamEnds wrote Ooops- I meant 0-SF! If I got some made, would there be any interest? Hi Richard, There would probably be lots of interest. The 4mm 00-SF group have been down the same route, and thanks to the good work of members now have an assured supply of excellent gauge tools. You might like to contact Brian Tully at stores at 00-SF.org.uk to discuss manufacturers, or see discussions at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/00-SF (Drawings in that group's Files section.) regards, Martin. posted: 12 Jun 2008 21:49 from: Brian Lewis BeamEnds wrote: Ooops- I meant 0-SF! If I got some made, would there be any interest? Cheers Richard Probably, but not from me Richard. Clearly every modeller must do what he thinks best, but personally I see no need for 0-SF. ...
... scale> modify current settings> modify track gauge... menu item and change the track gauge to 16.2mm. 2. Click the template> gauge and scale> modify current settings> modify flangeway gap... menu item and change the flangeway gap to 1.0mm and the flangeway end gap to 1.5mm. If you are modelling to 00-SF you may prefer to discard the C&L templates and use the Templot default templates instead. For more information about 00-SF, see http://00-sf.org.uk. To answer your specific questions, by default in Templot the timber spacings in the switch are set from the REA prototype data. To change them you really need to create a different custom switch (already done for you in the above file). Alternatively you could use the shove timber functions on each turnout (real> shove timbers menu item.) To save anything in Templot you must store a template containing it. Click the control> store& background menu item, and then the control> save all templates ...
... instead, with wider flangeways, for those models. But I don't know for sure as I know little about Gauge 1. Are you a member of the G1MRA? They could advise you about all this: http://www.g1mra.com They have a list of track standard dimensions at: http://www.g1mra.com/pdf/standard-dimensions-for-gauge1.pdf For normal use they are suggesting 1C with 3.0mm flangeways. For a diagram of how wheels and track are dimensioned, see: http://00-sf.org.uk/dimensions.php The actual dimensions given there are for smaller-scale models, but the diagram and explanations are the same for all. cheers, Martin. posted: 15 Sep 2020 17:45 from: Igor Kurgan What else can i say? I was planning to for f1,but something is keeping me away, especially that i am going to build my own locos Thanks and cheers Last edited on 15 Sep 2020 18:00 by Igor Kurgan Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also ...
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