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... attach_337_532_make_transition.gif 181 posted: 30 Aug 2008 15:32 from: Martin Wynne Stuart Mitchell wrote: Here is what I'm looking to do. Hi Stuart, Thanks for posting a screenshot. You can't make a transition between tracks which cross each other. You must first curve them (e.g. using F6 mouse action), until the track centre-lines don't quite touch or cross. Like this: make_trans_note.png Then you can use the make transition function as Jim explained. The closer the centre-lines come together, so the shorter will be the transition zone. In a cramped situation like this, you want them to be very close, otherwise the transition zone will be too long to fit. After you have made the transition you can delete the two starting templates. Then adjust the length of the transition template at each end to replace them. regards, Martin. posted: 30 Aug 2008 16:39 from: Stuart Mitchell HI.. Martin and Jim, Thanks so much, yes it does help having such a great forum with so ...
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... The scale is P4 and the minimum radius is 36", although some templates still say 1000mm. The intention is that on the scenic side there is no track closer than 12" to the baseboard edge. I have let this slip slightly in the odd place. Space is limited to 12' x 26' as this is the size of the garage. I have compressed lengths as necessary except between the road bridge and viaduct as I feel this area cannot be compressed without changing the geometry. Unfortunately the exchange sidings are shorter than I'd like. I'd prefer 2m for the shortest siding. I've also taken out one siding on each side. The inner of the sidings are shown as a relief loops on the signal box plan, but I doubt it was ever used as such. I haven't drawn the fiddle yards yet except where it is necessary to get entrance tracks aligned. Orange represents the downhill Rhymney section which loops under the fiddle yards, around the front of the layout still hidden as green rising to join the fiddle yards. The lowest ...
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... .. posted: 3 Nov 2008 20:31 from: Martin Wynne Hi Gordon, That was trickier than I expected. The problem is that for any standard switch, for 36" subs rad the substitution tangency point is falling within the switch front. That's easy to deal with by blanking* for a one-off, but it's not a very satisfactory solution for a standard building-block template where you want the template datum at the rail joint in the usual way. So I created a custom switch with a shorter front to match the substitution curve. Crossing angle turned out to be 1:5.22 RAM curviform. The actual turnout radius is 910mm. Box file attached below. 36_subs_00bf.png *( peg on EGTP, do> blank up to peg) regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_393_612_36_subs_turnouts_00 bf.box 194 posted: 4 Nov 2008 13:19 from: Gordon S Thanks for that Martin. I have a printing question now, but will raise as a new topic. Last edited on 4 Nov 2008 13:37 by Gordon S Parts ...
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... having used scale turnout plans rather than Peco geometry I found it took a much larger distance to contain all the trackwork- it'll be worth it for a more realistic appearance though. Having started to get to grips with Templot I have produced the attached plan. I have yet to complete one end of the fiddle yard where the Cannock lines rejoin the main lines. The fiddle yard is very simple, but with the length of each road I could fit around six long scale length trains on each road, so with a few shorter trains there should be plenty of storage space without the need to construct too many turnouts. Attachment: attach_455_696_Rugeley.box 375 posted: 16 Jan 2009 14:03 from: Raymond That's impressive Mark I wish you well building it. Did you lay it out on an OS map or a track plan or what? Regards Raymond posted: 16 Jan 2009 15:36 from: Mark Pelham The track was not overlaid on any background but follows the approximate shape to give the general feel of the prototype. I used Google to get ...
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... -crossing shortens the lead length -- the prototype sometimes does this on natural and sub-natural sizes where space constraints dictate and changing the crossing angle is not possible. In version 091c you can adjust the entry-straight by mouse action to see the effect and shorten the turnout as required (action> mouse actions: real> adjust V-crossing entry straight menu item). Templot defaults to a regular type crossing anyway, so that the rails are symmetrical at the knuckle for easier building and smoother running. The shorter lead also saves a bit of space. But the options are there to match the prototype exactly in P4/S7 etc. if you wish. regards, Martin. posted: 26 Jan 2009 19:49 from: richard_t Of course- thats what all the tables are for in British Railways Track (ed 3 and 5), with which type of turnouts they are (ed 3: page 117 onwards, ed 5: page 108 onwards). D'oh Thanks again. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless ...
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... from 8ft-6in (or previously 9ft in pre-grouping times) in increments of 6in up to 30ft. The very long timbers were expensive, and different companies had different rules about how many could be used. Some were very sparing with long timbers. Comparing an LNER drawing for a crossover with a GWR equivalent, you can see the latter used far more long timbers and produced much more heavily-timbered formations generally. Sometimes where a long timber was required it was made up on site by halving and splicing two shorter ones, using bolted-through fishplates top and bottom as stiffeners. For a single turnout, the usual rule was that crossing timbers stop at 16ft* length, after which normal sleepering is used, with the sleeper ends interlaced as necessary. Timbers up to that length would normally be held as a stock item by the railway company, longer timbers being ordered from suppliers as needed. *17ft for GWR renewals before about 1930. p.s. the longest timber in the template above is 26ft-6in. regards, Martin ...
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... to be modelled. I'm pushing things with radii going down to 42"- 43" in some places but I take heart that Jas Millham goes down to that size on Yaxbury and gets excellent running. Like you, locos and stock will be selected for their suitability for small radii, which is what the Caledonian itself actually did for some of its city lines- the Cathcart Circle in Glasgow and the Balerno branch in Edinburgh had extremely tight curves and had locos and passenger stock specifically designed for them and the LMS also designed shorter length bogie coaches for the Cathcart Circle. I just got my hands on a stock of the new S scale rail and chairs from a few days ago so I can probably make a start on the actual track quite soon. It will probably take a bit longer to set up the bedroom to take the layout since I would still like to use it as a bedroom and I will have to arrange that the baseboards can be taken down easily to return the room to its intended purpose on occasions. Jim. Parts of ...
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... the mistake normally but coupled with the undo function it can mean going to the box and relocating the actual template and with my messy way of working sometime this is a little annoying. Your answer was. You have a transition curve which is too "gentle". The radius is changing by too small an amount in too long a length, and the maths capability of the computer processor is exceeded. In practice such a transition curve serves little purpose and you may as well use a fixed radius curve instead, or a shorter transition curve. Three:- when using transition curves to line up difficult track alignments and changing the curving with a mouse sometimes, and I find it difficult say exactly when, but it is at far extremes when the screen display loses coherence and has a zigzag appearance rather than the smooth lines we normally see Your answer was- Put the timber numbers on for the control template. They are always on the MS side: workpad> pad options for the control template> show timber numbers posted: 26 Oct 2011 16 ...
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... F9) that only applies to irregular diamonds, and only on DS2. Basically, if you try to adjust the flared length you get unexpected results- the rail length seems to change but the flared length doesn't. It also doesn't seem to always remember what you typed! So, for example, if you set a silly length of 2" (prototype) it shows 4" in the dialogue box, but actually seems to be about the 42" I started with. The longer I make the flared length, the shorter the rail length gets. Using the mouse actions, flare length and rail length do exactly the same thing, which is to adjust the rail length. Setting the flare length to zero does work though. I've tried this with regular diamonds, straight and curved, and there's no problem there- it just seems to be DS2 on irregular diamonds. This ability to adjust check rails independently is absolutely brilliant- the number of partial templates reduces massively. I have a short angle diamond in one plan with a 42" flare ...
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... estimate that the lost motion on each pin is of the order of .3mm. Whilst I have reservations about Howard Bolton's method of connecting switches by means of a functional scale stretcher and using this to drive the switch, I do favour his method of eliminating such lost motion by precise setting of the throw imparted by the crank used to move the stretcher. posted: 14 Apr 2015 14:33 from: madscientist my own idea, was to immediately underneath the sleeper, attach the pin to a sliding delrin, pseudo sleeper, shorter and narrower then the real sleeper above. This pseudo sleeper, prevents the switch blade from rising, and also allows the soldered hinge pin to pivot. I wasn't going to use a hinge tube. The drive from the point motor would then be collected to the delrin "sleeper" The main issue I have is that a hinge pin failure might need the removal of the turnout. but I suspect this is an unlikely failure mode posted: 16 Apr 2015 11:08 from: madscientist I'll add a sketch later it ...
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... rail without a chair, provided the rail is adequately supported in other chairs on each side. I'm not too clear what you are asking about long timbers -- it is normal to have several long timbers at the centre of a crossover. That's why Templot leaves a gap for the opposite timbers to be extended into. How many long timbers varies with different prototype companies. It's not usual to have two separate timbers end-to-end because it makes packing difficult. If a long timber is not available, the two shorter timbers would be half-spliced together to make a single long timber. The joint is often made by bolting old fishplates top and bottom through the splice. A detail not often modelled. If you post a screenshot we can see more clearly what you are asking. regards, Martin. posted: 21 Jul 2014 13:38 from: Michael Woolford 2786_210728_100000000.png This screenshot shows the layout of the crossovers that I have been referring to. You can see that there are two separate crossovers that have both sets of long timbers ...
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... -- the two turnouts are similar in size. As you can see, there are some minor conflicts. At 2 the turnout rail of the second turnout is conflicting with the check rail of the first V-crossing, and at 3 the stock rail of the second turnout is not clearing the wing rail of that crossing to provide a sufficient wheel flangeway: 2_031309_060000000.png What to do about it? You have some choices: a. Use a longer first turnout, say a B-7, or b. Use a shorter second turnout, maybe an A-6. If this was a straight tandem, that might be an option. However it is not advisable to curve short A switches very much, which is why I used B switches in the first place for this curved tandem. However, both of these options are likely to create other problems in the positioning of the additional V-crossing at 4. So instead c. Modify the check and wing rails to fit. This usually the simplest solution in practice. It is usually ...
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... the road to the right. This road may be slide along as well as have a changed V-crossing angel, both in certain bounds however. Regards Rene. Attachment: attach_1750_2403_ash-track_3_Way_no_ties.box 274 posted: 11 Feb 2014 11:49 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rene, Good to hear from you. You have made the classic mistake of having the two switches too close together. There is no room to open the points on the second switch. If you change the RH turnout from a SC-8 to a shorter SB-7, you can snake the turnouts further apart and still match closely your original RH exit (your original in brown): 2_110645_220000000.png For some recent notes of mine about tandems, see: topic 2394 If the above tandem (black rails) is acceptable would you like me to finish it for you? regards, Martin. posted: 11 Feb 2014 19:59 from: renluethi Hi Martin, I little imagined that you are answering with all the charge that you have to carry, and now, this ...
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... Apr 2014 12:39 from: Martin Wynne Godfrey Earnshaw wrote: Firstly, it truncates my entered title in the filename despite retaining my entered title in the Project Title Box. Secondly, it ignores the folder I was in and reverts to the Templot default of Templot-Dev/Box_Files/ Hi Godders, The truncation is to keep the file names within a sensible length. I could perhaps lengthen it a bit. It's useful to write the box title so that any changes are at the start -- e.g. "Shorter yard in Bristol... You can of course edit the suggested file name to include more info if you wish. After first saving a file to your specified folder it should go there again when saving another file. So you need to navigate to it only once. If it is not doing that it is a bug? However, the folder from which you loaded any files is not taken into account in this -- you may have added templates from files in many different locations. It's important to bear in ...
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... : 19 Feb 2014 21:17 from: Len Cattley Hi Martin thanks for your reply, how can I add movable K-crossings to my 1:10? Len posted: 21 Feb 2014 22:08 from: JFS Martin Wynne wrote: I can't put all that in a warning. Hi Martin, Indeed not! I guess I was thinking more of a little marker that would appear which would just say "K crossing flatter than 1:10" In the same way as the "V -Crossing angle shorter than 1:4" does- the help button is there for all the detail... Even better, is does not interrupt what you are doing. Best wishes. Howard Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Share and show> K-crossing check rails on double slip about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and ...
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... is approximately equal to 2 flangeway gaps plus the blunt nose width on the vee, as you say. If the wheel is wider than this it cannot fall into the gap and will run smoothly over the V-crossing remaining fully supported on the wing rails. The angle of the V-crossing and the length of the gap is immaterial. However, wheels which are narrower than the required width will fall into the gap with a bump. This effect will be worse or much worse on longer V-crossings than on shorter ones, which is probably where the misunderstanding arises. I think this is the point Mike was making -- with 3.5mm wheels on GOG-F the bump may be acceptable at 1:6 but not at 1:10. But they will drop to some extent at all angles. It's unfortunate that the Gauge 0 Guild's long-standing published Fine track standard (GOG-F in Templot) doesn't actually work with most of the currently available 0 gauge wheels, a situation which has existed for over 10 years now ...
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... go before attempting the slip. I find K-crossings can be awkward at times, although this one won't be a particularly shallow angle. If you have a look at my Shotley album (towards the bottom) you will see some shots of an outside slip in build, although there aren't that many step-by-step photos. This slip has each road through the diamond on a curve, as yours appears to. One trick that really helped here is to pre-curve a length of rail and cut the shorter pieces from that so that you get a nice flow. It would be all too easy otherwise to get a series of short straights instead of a smooth curve. Cheers Last edited on 21 Mar 2014 17:43 by Paul Boyd posted: 24 Mar 2014 12:52 from: Graham Idle Many thanks Phil and Paul. The photos of Shotley are very inspirational, all I need now is the courage to start bending metal. Regards, Graham Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called ...
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... thereby saving the cost of the extra timber and fixings, plus the labour of not having to lay the extra timber, so i shows just how conscious they were about costs. So I don't necessarily think it only applied to the Scots !! All the best, Brian. posted: 24 Mar 2014 13:58 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Peter, I managed to finish two version of the timbering of your Scissors crossing. 1. A Modellers version, with long timbers. 2. A simulated prototype version, with shorter timbers. Obviously the choice is completely yours which you use, as it is your model railway creation. See what you think. All the best, Brian. Attachment: attach_1796_2428_Scissors_after_ti mber_shoving_Model_Sample.box 338 posted: 24 Mar 2014 14:00 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Peter, Here's the prototype version. All the best, Brian. Attachment: attach_1797_2428_Scissors_after_ti mber_shoving_Proto_Sample.box 371 posted: 24 Mar 2014 14:54 from: Martin Wynne Hi Brian, I'm not sure that you should dismiss the "modellers version" as non-prototypical. ...
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... exit posted: 27 Apr 2014 20:29 from: Martin Wynne A long-standing niggle in Templot has been the limited range of options for the turnout-road exit. The existing options are: 1. normal -- the turnout road terminates at the prototype rail joint in the vee splice rail (CTRL-6 peg position, TVJP). 2. crossover -- the turnout road terminates at the mid-point of a crossover (CTRL-5 peg position, TXP). This may be longer or shorter than normal, according to the current TS track centres setting. 3. long -- the turnout road terminates opposite the end of the main road exit track (TOLP peg position). But always with the additional proviso that the turnout road cannot be longer than the main road in any event (template overall length). This can occasionally cause difficulty, for example in a situation such as this: 2_271436_020000001.png A wide crossover has been inserted in tracks at 10ft way. But the turnout on the left needs to be ...
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200. Track Jig
... 1964, page 54. It shows the spacings for traditional jointed track with timber sleepers for the BR post-nationalization era. The table shows centre-to-centre dimensions, so to create spacers for a jig you need to subtract 10" (the width of a sleeper) from each dimension. Modern concrete-sleepered CWR (long-welded) track differs. Pre-nationalization track also differs for each company and period, although not by much. Pre-grouping track for different companies varies more and generally used shorter rails. Those dimensions for 60ft bullhead rails are the default settings in Templot2, so to create a jig for such bullhead track you can simply print some straight plain track templates. To choose between 24, 25 or 26 sleepers per length, go to the real> plain track options> rail lengths and sleeper spacings... menu item. For flat-bottom track you will need to enter the table dimensions as custom settings. regards, Martin. posted: 16 May 2014 10:08 from: Len Cattley ...
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