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... the sleeper spacings for a partial panel length? Would the spacings of the two sleepers at each end, be the same as a full panel of 44'6" with the number of sleepers between each end being determined by the length track between the ends? Hi Graham, A lot of questions there. I think you are mixing up two different concepts: 1. the template boundaries (join locations between individual templates) are determined by the geometry, alignments and radii of your track plan. Often in models we need to use shorter lengths and sharper radii than the prototype. 2. the rail lengths, rail joints and sleeper spacings are determined by the practice of your chosen prototype. Often a template boundary coincides with a rail joint, but not always. As Roy said, it's usually better to get the overall design done before thinking about the details of rail joints and sleepering. Otherwise you risk wasting a lot of work on that if you later find it necessary to modify the design. If you watched my live session last week you probably noticed ...
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... 2017 09:06 from: Stephen Freeman All fair comment but with the yellow discs, I have never found a reference as to when they were introduced. I think in the main because they tended to use or re-use the miniature semaphore arms, at least that's the impression that Pryer gave in his book. posted: 26 Jul 2017 09:55 from: rodney_hills Josh/John, regarding which way points lay 'normal'... I think the branch should have 'normal' through to the buffers of the shorter, lower platform road. that involves making the branch to the longer, upper platform connection to be worked as a crossover. it is now probably a good point (( !) to do an exercise to number points, fpls, signals/ again Exmouth is an example of lever assignment. btw- what date is the model set at? regards, Rodney Hills posted: 26 Jul 2017 12:46 from: John Palmer rodney_hills wrote: Josh/John, regarding which way points lay 'normal'... ...
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... topic: 1841 Symetrical 3 way turnouts 1:5.25 and 1:7 posted: 21 Feb 2012 14:50 from: Geoff Cook Hi I have created a 1:5.25 symetrical 3 way turnout which I needed one set of blades tips to be 30" (one timber spacing) behind (shorter) than the others, I did this by having one turnout with B semi curved switch and the other turnout with 12' loosed heeled switch, the difference between the blades tips being 9.911mm (29.7") Having succesfully done it at an angle of 1:5.25, I needed to create another symetrical 3 way with crossing angles of 1:7, doing it the same way as I have done for the 1:5.25 fails to work the point blades are only 0.86mm shorter I understand that I could do a custom version of the 12' loosed heeled switch by shortening the blades by 30" to give the results that I need Its just that I cant understand why it is different doing it on a 1:7 compared to ...
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... Firstly, timbers under crossings and switches must remain in their original place as they have special chairs that are location specific. Likewise at rail joints the timbers cannot be moved too far apart (stress on rail) or too close (must leave space for the fishplate). Also your chosen location/ railway operator and era will make a big difference to timbering, for example as I understand it the GWR used longer timbers right across the 4ft,6ft,4ft between the opposing A timbers whereas the (L )NER used shorter timbers. I'm sure if you tell us your rail company and era there will be plenty of more specific advice. posted: 24 Feb 2017 03:05 from: DerekStuart Sorry, computer playing me up. Broadly speaking, I would suggest starting with shoving the plain track sleepers before even considering moving the turnout timbers. Remember not to make too big a gap between sleepers- especially at rail joints. posted: 24 Feb 2017 10:33 from: RK Hi Derek, Thanks for your reply. It's based on ...
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... make a new single slip video. It has taken me much longer than I expected but it is now ready. This is my first serious attempt at using the new FBR format, so please treat this as a first draft version. I would welcome comments and feedback. The idea of the new format is to combine a written tutorial with video in the same file, so that I don't have to do everything twice. I'm not entirely sure the idea has worked. Perhaps it should have been split into 2 or 3 shorter videos? How do you find the font size? It is much smaller than my eyes find comfortable, but if it's larger the text panels obscure too much of the video frame. The video is available in two formats: 1. click this link to download the FBR video file. It may take a few seconds (20MB): http://templot.com/fbr/ladder_single_slip_v2.fbr When run from your browser it should open directly in the Templot Video Player* which is already on your system if you have installed ...
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... topic: 2851 Turnout types posted: 28 Feb 2016 15:29 from: Martion Elsworth Working in 2mmFS I've been trying to fathom out why milled-base EasiTrac templates are shorter than those for Versaline turnouts (based on C&L templates). It appears that EasiTrac uses a "regular" setting and Versaline a "generic". The end result is that the Versaline has one more timber in the closure rail zone between switch and crossing (which are the same in both types). Even though I've read the notes about crossing types I can't see any obvious need for the extra sleeper – in fact I would have thought the regular crossing closure would be the longer of the two. Can anyone offer a simple explanation for what's going on please. Martin posted: 28 Feb 2016 19:59 from: Martin Wynne Martion Elsworth wrote: Even though I've read the notes about crossing types I can't see any obvious need for the extra sleeper – in fact I would have thought the regular crossing closure would be the longer of the two ...
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... the leading edge of the flange reaches the point rail. The rear corner of the flange is radiused, so even if it does contact the nose of the point rail it should be no more than a glancing contact and be deflected to the back of it. This is the reason that fixed K-crossings are not permitted for angles flatter than 1:8 -- the distance from the check rail to the point rail is too far. Movable K-crossings (switch diamonds) are used for flatter angles (and shorter ones, if any of the tracks are curved). regards, Martin. posted: 9 Mar 2016 22:03 from: DerekStuart Martin Wynne wrote: DerekStuart wrote: From the diagrams it does seem that the back of the point rail is just a standard flangeway gap from the wing rail. How it doesn't get hit by the back of the flange I don't know Hi Derek, As I explained, the rear edge of the flange is still in contact with the check rail when the leading edge of the flange ...
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... Martin Wynne Hi Rich, I think I need a diagram to follow that. In the meantime it was wet today so I have pushed ahead with what I started. This is a first result: 2_101418_020000000.png 2_101418_020000001.png I think all the crossings can be checked -- a couple are a bit tight but doable. The diamond at A is 1:9 and will need to be a switch diamond. The diamond at B is 1:8 and I would recommend doing that as a switch diamond too. The other diamonds are shorter and can be fixed K-crossings. I hope you enjoy building track. I will wait for your comments before doing any more on it. Which if any of the diamonds will be slips? regards, Martin. posted: 10 May 2016 19:56 from: RK Hi Martin, Haha! Oops, sorry if I confused you! You've actually ended up exactly as I was trying to describe! With one minor difference around diamond B, which looking at what you've done I've realise my proposal couldn't possibly have ...
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... Main what is the advantage? I still have to maintain a differential height and the distance between the junction and the crossing point has not changed. So the climbing gradient will be the same as the previous falling gradient. In addition, the falling gradient will become a climbing gradient for traffic leaving the Terminus. Hi Brian, I meant something like this, replacing the burrowing junction with a flying junction: brian_tuckey1.png The long rising gradient up to the terminus runs from A to B. Departing trains on the falling gradient have a shorter steeper fall from C to D. The through routes are now straight, which I think is what you wanted originally. Unless I've missed something obvious? regards, Martin. posted: 17 Aug 2007 04:18 from: BTuckey Martin Wynne wrote: The long rising gradient up to the terminus runs from A to B. Departing trains on the falling gradient have a shorter steeper fall from C to D. The through routes are now straight, which I think is what you wanted originally. Unless I've missed something obvious ...
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... already so the more the template points you in the right direction the better in my view. Maybe one day this will make it to the top of the list.... Chris posted: 15 Jan 2017 04:58 from: Martin Wynne ChrisBr wrote: Maybe one day this will make it to the top of the list.... Hi Chris, You hit a raw nerve with this request, so I have spent a few hours in the code. There are some discrepancies with curviform and generic crossings shorter than about 1:3, but otherwise it is looking promising. It makes a more noticeable difference to the appearance of the template than might be expected. The default setting will match GWR practice, or you can set a custom knuckle radius. There will also be an option to revert to a sharp knuckle if preferred. In the next program update, which I hope will be very soon, as it is long overdue. regards, Martin. posted: 16 Jan 2017 01:15 from: Martin Wynne Hi ...
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... am planning on modelling the station in 1929 but this was the closest map I could find. Before putting the plan into Templot, I modified it using Paintshop Pro in the following ways:1 Changed the angle of Old Charlton Road (the one in the top left of the picture) to make it more vertical and deleted the bottom two houses north of Station Road, so the houses are now Nos 8, 10, 12 and 14 going from Station Road northwards.2 Deleted at least 3 houses from Station Road to make it shorter to reduce the length of the platforms- it could hold a 12 carriage emu (possibly even a 16 carriage one) and I wanted to restrict it to 4 carriages not including the head shunt to the west of the crossover.3 Moved the turntable further west as well shortening the Up platform (the northern one)4 Reduced the Down Platform (the southern one) mostly to the west of the station building and in the process deleted most of the small orchard to the west of the station approach5 Cut the straight lines to ...
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... the crossings to a lower number- like 1:7 or 1:6. As you go to the lower numbers, the radius of the turnout road will lessen and how far you go will depend on what minimum radius you can stand. If you have the template information box showing (F2 toggle) you will see the minimum radius displayed as you vary the crossing angle. You can also try changing the type of switch used- say from the REA semi-curved B switch you have used to something like the shorter straight heel switches (select from Template/Switch Settings). For straight track you can use the Quick function- Ctrl-Q- which gives you the option to select straight, plain track. Or you can select a piece of already curved track, select track curving (F6) and enter a slash- "/" in the radius box which will alter your track to be straight. NB: By select, I mean delete to control. These damned Windows commands keep cropping up. Jim. posted: ...
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... -throw turnouts is that they often result in the V-crossings being opposite each other and therefore not properly checked for the middle road. Martin, I am running into this problem with designing some tandem turnouts, where the crossing noses for the middle road were getting very close to being opposite each other. To check them properly, it would look as though putting them exactly opposite each other and using the wing rails as check rails would do the job. I can see that the wing rail will be a fair bit shorter on the switch side of the crossing than a normal check rail- is this the objection to having such a formation? Jim. posted: 29 Mar 2012 22:14 from: Alan Turner mike47j wrote: In this photo http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/g /greenwich_park/index1.shtml It looks as if there might be extra check rails for the approach to middle road. Also the map labels that road as Engine Pit so it might not have been used very often. that's not a three throw it's a ...
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... diamond and adjust the overal length to bring the 'V" into the correct place and then use the F9& F10 buttons to get an exact fit... Hi Phil, I'm not clear why you are doing all that? From two overlaid plain track templates, it is just peg/align tools> make diamond-crossing at intersection. Have one template as the control template and the other as the background template. Click on the background template to get the above menu item. This works unless the resulting diamond is shorter than 1:1.5. regards, Martin. posted: 23 Mar 2017 19:31 from: johndon Thanks Phil& Martin, that's the diamond crossing done, now for the slip John posted: 23 Mar 2017 21:14 from: Martin Wynne Hi John, Some notes about creating an outside slip here: topic 2931- message 20789 regards, Martin. posted: 24 Mar 2017 09:35 from: Phil O Martin Wynne wrote: Phil O wrote: The way I would go ab out the diamond is ...
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... advance Attachment: attach_2404_3008_Crossing.jpg 361 posted: 11 Apr 2017 11:07 from: Martin Wynne Hi Panos, Have one template as the control template and the other as the background template. Click on the background template to get its menu on the left. On that menu click peg/align tools> make diamond-crossing at intersection menu item. However, that works only where the resulting diamond-crossing is flatter than 1:1.5 angle. Looking at your screenshot, it seems that you may be looking for a much shorter crossing than that. In which case you would need to create it manually using multiple partial templates. You also need some detailed prototype data, because there is nothing standard about short-angle crossings, they vary by company, period and location. There is a drawing in this 10-year-old topic, but I don't know how relevant it will be to your prototype: topic 160- message 812 regards, Martin. posted: 11 Apr 2017 21:43 from: Panos Tsirigotis Many thanks posted: 11 ...
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... if it is all a bit confusing. regards, Martin. posted: 16 Apr 2017 14:23 from: Martin Wynne Hi Panos, I have had a dabble with your previous .box file (I don't know how well that corresponds with your latest plan). 2_160905_370000000.png With your original B-7.25 turnout (red), the curved turnout is going to be very long, around F-20, which is not only more difficult to build, it might also look a bit out of keeping with your other much shorter turnouts. So instead I moved your turnout to the left and increased it to a D-12. It is then possible to create a more likely-looking crossover, with the curved turnout at D-12.43 You could change that to a standard D-12 and tidy up the alignments if you wished. I used method 2. in my previous post, inserting the turnout at the intersection. It needed a 180-degree rotation after creation (SHIFT+ F8), because Templot isn't as clever as you ...
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... way to apply it to all the track? geometry> trackbed edges> modify group to match More info: geometry> trackbed edges>? trackbed- help regards, Martin. posted: 11 Jun 2017 12:41 from: Michael Henfrey Thanks posted: 12 Jun 2017 17:24 from: Michael Henfrey all the timbers have been nudged I think. I hope I have done them right as I didn't touch any supporting the vee's or checkrails or where the tiebar needs to go. I have taken to cutting some sleepers shorter rather than adding in lots of long ones. Track edges have also been done Next step is to try and align the templates and glue them down onto smaller cork sections so I can make them up a section at a time in a more comfy location Attachment: attach_2450_3030_theeloftplan5.box 293 posted: 23 Jul 2017 11:24 from: Michael Henfrey Hi all, Due to the space in my loft my goods yard was still getting shorter so I had a little idea.. I have removed it from the back of the station ...
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... for it to seep under the chairs and fix things. A thin blade is enough to part the two if adjustment is necessary. I must confess I don't join up the crossing with extra bits of scrap. I've not had any problem. However, prefabricating the crossing does have its attractions and I might try this the next time I build some track. Nigel posted: 7 Feb 2013 16:47 from: Trevor Walling Hello, I have a question regarding ply sleepers and plastic chair.Do people building to 00-FS use shorter timber sleepers for plain track or use scale length timbers as with EM and P4? Trevor. posted: 7 Feb 2013 17:24 from: Martin Wynne Trevor Walling wrote: I have a question regarding ply sleepers and plastic chair. Do people building to 00-FS use shorter timber sleepers for plain track or use scale length timbers as with EM and P4? Hi Trevor, If you set 00-SF in Templot you will see that the sleepers shorten to 8ft long (32mm) instead of 8ft-6in ...
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... . Generally this means you need a significant difference in the crossing angles. For example a common size is a 1:6 turnout combined with a 1:8 turnout. A difference of only 1:5 to 1:5.5 may not be enough, but some further lead length adjustment is possible on the flatter angles by increasing the crossing entry straight. I have yet to try the 9ft straight heel switch option. Is this likely to make a difference? Yes, it will significantly change the geometry. Generally using the shorter straight switches saves a lot of space on non-natural turnouts and gives you more flexibility in the design of formations. You don't have to actually build them as loose-heel switches if you don't want to -- just adopt the geometry, adding dummy heel joints. I'm currently trying to get the next program update finished. But a top priority after that will be to make a completely new tutorial and video on tandem turnouts. This topic comes up very often, and Templot2 contains changes which make it a bit ...
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... individual board edges, which it would be very useful to have on my printouts. I am currently printing a few in A3 for test purposes, but I believe we have found access to a printer capable of printing A1 width on a roll. Paul posted: 27 Jun 2012 16:15 from: Martin Wynne Hi Paul, Which Windows? If it's Windows 95/ 98/ ME, the reason is that the lines in the background shapes are too long. You can get them to print by breaking them into several shorter lines in a row. Otherwise, try output> output drawing options> element options> and make sure background shapes is ticked. Also, check that the colour for printing background shapes is not set to white. regards, Martin. posted: 27 Jun 2012 16:22 from: Martin Wynne p.s. Paul, If the baseboard sizes match the grid setting, make sure you haven't got grid in front of shapes selected, which causes the grid lines to obscure the background shapes where they match. This was the ...
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