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... semi-curved C-size left-hand switch (unjoggled) 1 in 8.25 RAM( 1 in 8.28 CLM) regular V-crossing equalized-incremental timbering. Hi David, It's very unlikely to be that size. Especially the REA switch on a GWR branch line, although you never say never. In order to determine exact turnout sizes from an OS map, several settings need to be made: 1. You must use an exact scale track gauge, such as P4, S7, etc. EM turnouts are shorter than the same size in P4. 2. You need to use CLM crossing angles. Templot uses RAM angles by default. 3. For many/most sizes of turnout, you need to change to generic V-crossings. 4. On the GWR the 6ft way is 1/2" wider* than other companies, so for extreme accuracy you need to set 134.5" instead of 134" double-track spacing. It makes a small difference to the length of crossovers. *this is a legacy from ...
... 32 bit. Processor: AMD Athlon XP 3000+ 217 GHz. Ram memory: 3 GB Display adapters: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5200 Screen Resolution: 1920 by 1080 pixels on HP 2310i monitor. Printer used: Epson Stylus Photo 1290 (A3) Version of Templot: v0.91c Has anyone an idea of what is going wrong, or what the cause might be? All the best, Brian Nicholls. Attachment: attach_1051_1468_Diamond_Vee_Joggl e.gif 336 posted: 29 Apr 2011 09:41 from: Martin Wynne Hi Brian, The advice against going shorter than 1:4 applies only to turnouts. Shorter turnouts would normally be seen only for industrial and narrow-gauge use. There is a table of dimensions for such industrial turnouts at: http://www.templot.com/martweb/templot_forum.htm But diamond-crossings may often be shorter than 1:4, and most companies produced the appropriate parts and designs. Templot in 091c will go down to 1:2 crossing angle. In the next Pug I have reduced the limit to 1:1, although the results are ...
... -up yet, partly because I'm a slow builder! I get side tracked by building rolling stock. Some pics have appeared in Mixed Traffic, the 3mm Society newsletter, and on RMweb. At the moment I'm forcing myself to build the cassettes for the fiddle yard, which I've been avoiding for years. Once that's done I can retest the whole of the trackwork then it's a question of finishing off the scenery. The first board (essentially the second pic) just needs scenic details, there's more to do on the shorter second board. The buildings are scratch built, the stock mainly from kits. The coaches in the second pic are a clerestory composite from Blacksmith and a toplight brake third from Worsley Works etches. The Dukedog is a Blacksmith body on my own etched chassis. For wagons the Society has a large offering mainly from Parkside, some Cambrian models, and a few other sources. More 3mm stuff can be found on http://sites.google.com/site/3mmpublic/ Nigel posted: 14 Aug 2018 01:20 from: ...
... _3.box 83 Last edited on 14 May 2020 21:50 by Gordon S posted: 14 May 2020 22:12 from: Martin Wynne Hi Gordon, Thanks for the file. This is what it might look like with thick centre-lines instead of diagram mode: 2_141711_190000000.png Those lines are about 9mm wide. cheers, Martin. posted: 15 May 2020 06:23 from: Martin Wynne p.s. Gordon, You are using a strange turnout size -- D-4. You would have more design flexibility using shorter turnouts, A-4 or a 9ft-4. Martin. posted: 15 May 2020 07:53 from: Gordon S I just inserted a turnout and then used F5 to change it to 1:4 and regular crossing. If it's five minute job to change, It probably started off as a D12. I'll look at it later.... If it's a complete realignment of everything, I'll live with it for now until I'm convinced it's the right way to go. I'm interested how you created ...
... video in this post about partial templates, but unfortunately unless you have Flash installed you won't be able to see it: topic 706- message 3967 I will try to get a new one done soon. cheers, Martin. posted: 19 Sep 2019 07:35 from: RedgateModels Yes that's exactly it 8 partials, wow. Yeah I realise that what I'm after is very unusual, but then if it was simpler I'd be using RTP ;) One question for today, promise. How can I produce a turnout with shorter switches? I guess I'm talking less than 1:24. Tonight's fun will be copying the Peco SL-E497. Have scanned it in so will import and try to match it dimensionally at least. Many many thanks for your help so far Martin Last edited on 19 Sep 2019 10:52 by RedgateModels posted: 19 Sep 2019 09:21 from: RedgateModels Think I've found the answer- Mouse Action Real Adjust V Crossing Entry Straight? Also I've seen the use of CTRL F3, blanking. This would have ...
6. Minories
... both inward and outward lines, and in the pointwork avoided reverse curves (except at one point). I'd suggest playing around with putting the pointwork on the curve of the L and seeing how it works out. Last edited on 29 Nov 2014 12:35 by Nigel Brown posted: 29 Nov 2014 14:17 from: Hayfield I have had a quick look at some older turnouts I have. Both the Peco spiked point kit and the GEM turnout are about the same crossing angle as an A4.5 (albeit a bit shorter) A SMP and a Peco medium turnouts are similar angles as an A5. I have had a play with a plan using A5's and the complex after the crossover is just over 450mm to the platforms, though 600mm for the goods yard turnout on platform 3 I will need a 30" radius into the fiddle yard and there is plenty of room for larger radius curved turnouts. I have used 50mm track centres, but should I increase the gap, if yes what length Attachment: attach_2000_2584_00_gauge_Minories .box 288 Last edited on 29 ...
... UK-outline rolling stock approaches these dimensions, the Australian generic data only serves to muddy the waters and should IMHO be completely ignored and discounted for all scales. Dave Harsh words but it appears the 0 gauge guilds solution underestimates over scale model tolerances for curves, as indicated by others here. The solution in the AMRA standards for all scales have been tested, are far from outrageous, and in some cases tighter than typical model railway practice. I note the Sprinter rail cars are 73'8", only 1' 4" shorter than the AMRA standards length assumption, a minor difference. The loading gauge width difference, 1' again is a small difference when scaled down. The AMRA solution is conservative for UK prototypes using group 3, but if you want to an easy solution without doing the sums, it's a valid choice. It works and you will have no problems with side swiping of any UK rolling stock, and minimal overall visual difference from a tight as possible value. If you are only modelling UK steam era then the AMRA group ...
... than 1:6" to mean angles from 1:6 to 1:20 or more. regards, Martin. posted: 12 Mar 2012 20:02 from: AndyJ Thanks Martin... Thats made it alot clearer. Guess I just need to have a go at drawing it now!! Cheers Andy posted: 13 Mar 2012 18:54 from: AndyJ Hello again people.. Right i'm hoping i've made the switched diamond crossing properly?? Also i'm having trouble shortening the point labled need to make shorter. Cheers Andy Attachment: attach_1383_1813_Modified_Herstmon ceux.box 290 posted: posted: 14 Mar 2012 00:55 from: roythebus That turnout no.1 looks horribly sharp, especially if it's on a running line. 14 Mar 2012 00:55 from: roythebus That turnout no.1 looks horribly sharp, especially if it's on a running line. posted: 14 Mar 2012 10:08 from: wcampbell23 Hi Andy You can adjust the switch end of the turnout by choosing a different length of switch. This can make the turnout shorter without affecting the ...
... , from a member promising some drawing documents, for which I am most grateful. To reiterate my previous phrase, I need more input. Best regards. Brian Nicholls. posted: 24 Sep 2010 14:53 from: Martin Wynne Brian Nicholls wrote: Did you understand my discussion about the turntable scaling? Hi Brian, There's a drawing of a Cowans, Sheldon 70ft turntable in this topic: message 7323 Click the image to get to a full-size drawing. For smaller turntables, I suggest you simply have a shorter deck and adjust the radius of the ends accordingly. As you say, scaling the original to a smaller size doesn't work. regards, Martin. posted: 24 Sep 2010 15:35 from: Martin Wynne Brian Nicholls wrote: To reiterate my previous phrase, I need more input. Hi Brian, There's lots of stuff on the web. For example yesterday I stumbled across this site belonging to Peter Smith (Kirtley Models) which has some excellent drawings of railway buildings and fittings: http://www.systonandpeterborough.info ( ...
... 4 3 Only one timber out of register 2 1 Problem solved There are 5 timbers potentially too short, I could remove 2 timbers and replace them, but this would negate a little the benefit of using the base and put the registry of the webbing out of sequence, possibly making it more visible. Any ideas if Len used a non standard design. The same issue is also with the Templot P4 templates Thanks in advance John posted: 17 Apr 2017 11:40 from: Martin Wynne Hi John, EM templates are shorter than P4 templates. That's just basic geometry, resulting from the narrower track gauge. So in EM there may be fewer timbers and they may be different lengths. There isn't actually an REA spec for the number of closure timbers between the heel of the switch and the crossing, it is down to each company to specify their own designs. Also the lead length might be shortened if necessary for a particular site by increasing the crossing entry straight. You can't have a fixed timber spacing across all sizes because of course there ...
... 74.7". I placed it on top of the first turnout in the tandem and it looked to have a very slightly larger radius than the first turnout. But when I looked at the diverging roads I think I note a slightly tighter radius before the crossing nose in the B switch turnout. So the turnout radius of 81.1" could be correct. But it's certainly a surprise to find the tighter tandem road having a greater radius. Hi Jim, Yes, although it is counter-intuitive, you can often get a shorter turnout and simultaneously an easier radius by changing to a non-REA switch. In this case a custom tandem switch. The REA semi-curved B-switch is "natural" with a 1:8 crossing (at standard gauge). That means that included in the switch is a section of radius (the switch radius, yellow here) which matches the turnout radius for a 1:8 crossing: semcu_sw.gif If you use a B-switch with a shorter crossing angle than 1:8, this switch ...
... topic: 3657 Not quite Ogbourne posted: 5 May 2020 00:38 from: Richard Brummitt I've been plodding on with this over a number of evenings and finally have something that I'm happy to share for constructive criticism. Hopefully I've attached the correct file. A few points: The real place is pretty straight through the station but to create sufficient space for the bay platform I have put in a transition curve after the curviform turnout from the mainline The yard is much shorter than in reality for the later yard with just two sidings. It is closer in length to the original yard with 3 sidings where one siding faced in the other (southerly) direction, like a headshunt?, towards the hamlet. The layout is limited to 600mm in length but the plan is more than 600mm long. The ends will protrude into the off stage area. I've left them a bit raggedy as that can be cleared up 'on-site'. The turnouts are meant to be to earlier GWR switch and crossing practice and have had adjustments made as best ...
... change any other stored template. Initially the ID numbers will be unique, but this may not remain the case if additional .box files are added to the storage box. There is an option on the storage box to regenerate all the ID numbers from scratch in such a case, so that they are all unique again. Templates can still be named as before, but if you don't want to do that the label will be shown as the ID number only instead of "no-name". Because the ID number is shorter than a name, I have changed the default to the boxed-over style for the labels on the trackpad. This setting has always been available, but I imagine lots of users have never found it. Easily changed if you don't like it, and now included in your program preferences. Some screenshots: 2_010649_030000000.png 2_010649_040000002.png 2_010649_030000001.png In the next program update. I'm still in two minds about all this, so comments welcome. regards, Martin. posted: 1 May 2013 12:59 from: Charles Orr Hi Martin ...
... apparently depended upon which way you moved the dummy vehicle for it to follow the correct line or not. Having said this, regarding your new proposal, my question here is, if the previous template used was a large (long) template, and assuming one had moved the dummy vehicle to the extreme end or just beyond the end, away from the datum point, then will the dummy vehicle appear that same distance away from the datum of the next template opened, even if the new (current) template is much shorter? This was the reason I suggested a reset to the datum point on the new (current) template. All the best, Brian Nicholls. posted: 16 Apr 2012 16:06 from: Martin Wynne Brian Nicholls wrote: if the previous template used was a large (long) template, and assuming one had moved the dummy vehicle to the extreme end or just beyond the end, away from the datum point, then will the dummy vehicle appear that same distance away from the datum of the next template opened ...
... 29 Jan 2008 03:28 from: Martin Wynne davelong wrote: 00 gauge double slips more importantly K crossing check rail lengths?........ Just to add It's a 1:6. Hi Dave, A 1:6 slip in 00 gauge is just about the worst case. I've prepared some diagrams to illustrate the problem, and a few ideas. The problem is not only the wider than scale flangeways, but also the reduced 00 gauge means that the whole diamond-crossing is much shorter than scale. So even though 00-SF and EM share the same flangeway (1.0mm), the problem of finding room for the K-crossing check rails is much worse in 00-SF than in EM. Here you can see how much shorter is the 00-SF version: 00sf_em_slips6.png Both are 1:6, using the 1:24 slip switches (i.e. deflection the same as a 9ft or "A" switch). But the EM version has a slip road radius of 60", ...
16. Gauge Change
... However, I left the gauge at 00-BF. With the layout plan compete I thought I'd do the right thing and change everything to 00-SF, none of the curves ended up tighter than third radius. I group selected all templates and changed the gauge of all the templates (or so I thought- although I did wonder why one template became misplaced). I then noticed that one of the turnouts was still 00-BF. I changed the gauge of this and the resultant turnout was quite a bit shorter than to original. This will be quite beneficial as far as train length is concermed so I'm quite pleased. Why is there such a difference in turnout length between the two gauges? Could I just build the track with 00-SF gauges using the 00-BF templates as they are? posted: 19 Jan 2013 22:31 from: Martin Wynne Ray Hughes wrote: Could I just build the track with 00-SF gauges using the 00-BF templates as they are? Hi Ray, Well you could ...
... One thing I am struggling a bit with is how to interlace the sleepers after inserting a turn out (see file attachment). Is there a tutorial for this? Regards Tim Attachment: attach_2228_2839_trackpad_screensh ot_2016_02_04_0852_27.png 446 posted: 4 Feb 2016 12:50 from: Martin Wynne Tim Lee wrote: One thing I am struggling a bit with is how to interlace the sleepers after inserting a turnout. Hi Tim, There are several ways of proceeding. Generally you need to shove some of the timbers, and/or roll in a shorter length of rail. For best results that usually means rolling in a full rail and then rolling a bit of it back out. I notice that you are using 45ft rails with 12" joint sleepers. So I'm guessing you are modelling pre-grouping practice? In which case you may prefer to swap the timbering style to equalized incremental which generally makes timber shoving easier (although it doesn't make a lot of difference in this case). I have made a short bit of scruff video showing these options. No editing ...
... hard-wired chairing data. Partly because I have the full chair designs for those, but mainly because a complete customized chairing implementation is going to be a massive task and other things are more important first. I still have a lot to do -- the L1 bridge chairs, check rail chairs, crossing chairs. The P slide chairs are always aligned to the stock rail, whereas the 1PL, 1PR, etc., block chairs are always square-on to the main road. The first two of those are shorter, because they have no inner jaw. The remaining block chairs have a full inner key jaw. As you can see, chairs remain aligned to the rails when the along and twist functions are applied to the timbers, or both applied together. The crab function won't be supported at this stage, the chairs don't move if a timber is crabbed sideways. Nor obviously if a timber is thrown, or the length or width of the timber changed. Also at this stage, the return curve part of a parallel- ...
... 208b the above settings are included in your saved program preferences. Click preferences> begin saving preferences... on the program panel window. If you are still using 091c they are in the print menu. I think the problem is in the printer driver. The clipping region limits have been set too small for 600 DPI printing. I doubt there is anything you can do about it without contacting the original driver programmers. If the problem is always with the same templates, you could try splitting them into two or more shorter templates. For plain track templates that is geometry> peg positions> peg on mid-length menu item, then tools> make split> make split at peg menu item. Remember to store the split off control template. For turnout templates split off any approach or exit track as plain track templates first. The shorter templates may then print normally. Or not. regards, Martin. posted: 29 Oct 2013 09:15 from: Gordon S Great! We're making progress Did what you suggested Martin and first set ...
... topic: 1193 Track plan tutorial again- Track handedness, negative radius turnouts and crossings posted: 10 Aug 2010 10:16 from: grog_polymer In the Track plan tutorial it also says that looking from the peg at Pos 0 RH refers to the direction of positive radius. This seems really bizare as a track curving to the left is considered to be Right Handed but with negative radius. I don't understand that. There are also a couple of references to shorter crossings being acceptable for turnouts with significant negative radius. Is this due to the fact that the deflection through the crossing is shallow on both roads? Regards, Greg posted: 9 Nov 2010 14:43 from: Martin Wynne grog_polymer wrote: In the Track plan tutorial it also says that looking from the peg at Pos 0 RH refers to the direction of positive radius. This seems really bizare as a track curving to the left is considered to be Right Handed but with negative radius. I don't understand that. There are also a couple of references to shorter crossings being acceptable for ...
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