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... internal stockrail/ closure rail where it is chamfered off, in this case 1:7.5 which is the same ratio as Ve, Despite what I fondly imagined was painstaking trouble over alignment I still managed to make them too long. And as a result spent a happy hour or so filing them back. But If you go too far with this filing you may end up with the wheels dropping into the Ve. If his happens, and luckily for this didn't, then I'm told you can put a strip of Evergreen or Slaters into the gap to support the wheel flange as it crosses. I believe they've done this at Pendon to good effect. You do need to have all wheels with a standard flange depth to get awards with this dodge. I'm not sure I'd get away with it completely as I use mainly Gibson wheels but do have the odd loco or two with Ultrascale and I've never measured them to see how they compare? Alternatively I could have taken Martin's advice and gone for moving K crossings. Anyway I hope that you can see ...
... hostile to any diversion from the long-established GOG-F (0 -F) standard, and it has taken the Guild all this time to finally update their technical data to reflect what a great many modellers have been doing in practice for years. The original standards were both based on a 30.0mm check gauge (because both are running the same wheels): 0-MF 31.5mm track gauge, 1.5mm flangeway 0-SF 31.2mm track gauge, 1.2mm flangeway The general experience was that such 0-SF worked well for Slaters and other current "industry-standard" wheels set to 29.2mm back-to-back, but was just a bit too fine for some older cast "Fine Standard" wheels set to 29.0mm back-to-back (of which there are a great many still in use). Over time 0-SF was eased a fraction to 31.25mm track gauge with 1.25mm flangeways to accommodate such wheels, and the Guild appears to have now adopted this. In Templot I increased the flangeway but not the gauge, because doing ...
... posted: 27 Feb 2011 22:50 from: Rob Manchester Hello, I have read much on the Templot Club, and other sites about the various track standards in use for what we all nominally call O gauge. I have been asked to build a small O gauge layout. I would prefer a smaller flangeway and checkrail figure than standard 32mm gives for better running and greater visual appeal. I will only be using small locos( Agenoria kits) and short 4 wheel stock( 1930's period) I will probably only use Slaters wheels on locos and stock. I want to be able to build turnouts down to A4 if possible but will use gentler ones if I can fit them in. I want to be able to buy the required gauges to make the track. I will be buying C&L components. Comments please. Rob posted: 27 Feb 2011 23:13 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rob, The best advice seems to be to ignore both 0-XF and 0-SF and choose between 0-MF and S7. ...
... topic: 2468 '0' Gauge track& Slaters Wheels posted: 7 Jun 2014 10:05 from: Phil O Which of the myriad of '0' gauge track standards are best suited to Slaters wheels. TIA. Phil posted: 7 Jun 2014 10:38 from: Martin Wynne Phil O wrote: Which of the myriad of '0' gauge track standards are best suited to Slaters wheels. Hi Phil, The answer is 0-MF. Then you weigh up all the pros and cons, for example see this topic: topic 2415- message 16321 and then you decide on 0-MF. It's true that 0-SF would give you slightly better results and appearance, but with the restriction of using Slaters wheels only. So you would not be able to run 0 gauge models with other or older wheels. And you would need to make your own gauge tools for 0-SF, whereas gauges for 0-MF are available from Debs (and also I believe from Roxey Mouldings): topic 1811 If you adopt 0- ...
... regards, Martin. posted: 22 Mar 2008 02:48 from: Brian Lewis I would ask you to consider leaving 0-XF in your portfolio Martin. I certainly do not agree that 31.00 mm is, as you put it, 'flawed'. My own 40 foot 0 gauge layout is 0-XF and I have 8 years experience in building and operating to this gauge. There are limitations- a B7 is in reality the minimum turnout that will ensure faultless operation; wheels should be of a standard similar to Slaters, but that is it- there are no more constraints. Minimum radius curves? Using normal 32mm track provides instant gauge widening. We should not forget that, in my estimation, there are as many folk modelling in 31.0mm as there are in Scale 7. So we can hardly dismiss it. A small matter perhaps, but 31mm track gauges are instantly available- to my knowledge nobody makes gauges for 31.2mm. 31.2mm allows for trackwork inaccuracies and also the use of wheels cast to wider profiles. Neither are very good ...
... different profile. Rob posted: 26 Dec 2018 22:00 from: Martin Wynne Rob Manchester wrote: Do you have any C&L O gauge rail? Happy to post you a couple of short lengths tomorrow if you want to try a different profile. Hi Rob, Many thanks for the offer, but I do have some C&L code 125 bullhead rail. I just need to move some boxes to get at it. The Peco rail was easier to find to hand. Somewhere I also have some original Slaters code 131 bullhead, which is the correct scale size for BS-95R rail in 7mm scale. Slaters nowadays are denying they ever supplied such a thing, despite the fact that it is specifically mentioned in their 7mm trackbuilding handbook. Presumably admitting it would mean acknowledging that their current code 125 rail is underscale. Even S7 modellers seem to be using it, and Karlgarin are supplying it too. If you have some 0 gauge bullhead it would be worth measuring it. cheers, Martin. posted: 26 Dec 2018 22 ...
... topic: 2412 Irish 3foot in 7mm posted: 23 Feb 2014 09:04 from: Phil O Hi All Can anyone please help with track standards for Irish 3 foot gauge using 7mm scale, 21 mm track gauge and Slaters wheels. Will using one of the already extant 7mm gauges reduced from 32mm work? Thanks in advance for any enlightenment. Phil Last edited on 23 Feb 2014 10:03 by Phil O posted: 23 Feb 2014 09:22 from: Martin Wynne Phil O wrote: Can anyone please help with track standards for Irish 3 foot gauge using 7mm scale, 21 mm track gauge and Slaters wheels. Will using one of the already extant 7mm gauges reduced from 32mm work? Hi Phil, The answer is yes. For sharp narrow-gauge curves I would suggest starting from 0-MF 31.5mm rather than 0-SF 31.2mm. So that means reducing everything by the difference (31.5- 21)= 10.5mm reduction. So back-to-back for Slaters wheels is 29.2- 10.5= 18.7mm. For other wheels ...
... the wheel/rail relationship and, being interested in gauge-narrowing approaches, was trying to collate the full set of dimensions for each of the 0-gauge finescale variants. You wrote in one of my cited threads above: Brian Lewis wrote: "My own 40 foot 0 gauge layout is 0-XF and I have 8 years experience in building and operating to this gauge. There are limitations- a B7 is in reality the minimum turnout that will ensure faultless operation; wheels should be of a standard similar to Slaters, but that is it- there are no more constraints. Minimum radius curves? Using normal 32mm track provides instant gauge widening. We should not forget that, in my estimation, there are as many folk modelling in 31.0mm as there are in Scale 7. So we can hardly dismiss it. A small matter perhaps, but 31mm track gauges are instantly available- to my knowledge nobody makes gauges for 31.2mm. 31.2mm allows for trackwork inaccuracies and also the use of wheels cast to wider profiles. Neither are very good ...
... . The normal 00-BF flangeway is 1.2mm* whereas for GOG-F it is 1.75mm. If you run 00 gauge models over that you are going to get derailments or at the very least a bumpy ride. A possible solution would be to adopt the 0-SF standard for the 0 gauge track. This is 31.2mm track gauge with 1.2mm flangeways, so matching 00-BF flangeways. The disadvantage there is a) you will be restricted to the current 0 gauge "industry standard" wheels (i.e. matching Slaters wheels) -- older wheels may be troublesome on 0-SF, and b) I'm not aware of anyone supplying gauge tools for 0-SF. You would have to make your own, or Debs. of this parish may be able to help. *varies between 1.2mm and 1.3mm according to where you look, see for example: http://www.doubleogauge.com/standards/commercialtrack.htm The original BRMSB flangeway for 00 was 1.25mm. regards, Martin. posted: 9 Feb 2014 17:47 from: Steve ...
... wireless? How is Walter Gabriel these days? Hi Martin, Uh, oh- I do normally use a Parker fountain pen with Quink cartridges! I've never listened to the Archers, but I do listen to Classic FM and still have a record player! I've been accused of being old-fashioned- can't think why! posted: 28 Feb 2018 19:07 from: Rob Manchester Hi Martin, Good shooting with the close up lens. Pictures can be so cruel when taken at this distance. I assume it a Slaters PO kit- seem to remember they come with number transfers to go with the pre-printed owners name. Steel tyred wheels?- or did you weather the rust onto them It is great what you can do with macro shooting on modern cameras. These are useful if you use a tripod- Spirit level Thanks for the pics. Rob posted: 1 Mar 2018 02:01 from: Martin Wynne Another one for Geograph: offas_dyke_1280x960.jpg Offa's Dyke on Llanfair Hill http://www.geograph.org.uk/photo/5694861 Martin. ...
... compliant with normal railway standards to lightly laid flat bottom. Here's a couple of pics of Kenton Bank showing chaired track, one at the beginning and one at the end of its existence: http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/k /kenton_bank/ Nigel posted: 8 Feb 2018 13:42 from: Rob Manchester Thanks to Nigel and RogerW for the prototype background. Martin, those chairs look very nice. I will investigate but need to try and check that 7mm wheels will work with code 87 rail. I suspect Slaters will be OK but the current crop of Heljan/Dapol RTR has slightly less compliant wheels I think. Andy- thanks for the offer. I will let you know on that( possibly depending on the outcome of Martin's suggestion) Rob posted: 9 Feb 2018 22:15 from: Rob Manchester Andrew Barrowman wrote: Hi Rob, I believe it was not unusual to use flat-bottom rail spiked to the sleepers for standard gauge light railways in the UK. Code 100 FB might be about right. Google Colonel ...
... about the flare chairs at each end of the check? or is it the intention just to pare a bit off the jaw. Each "sprue" comprises 8 CC, 2 CCR and 2 CCL chairs (a.k.a. S1C, S1CR and S1CL). These are shown on the 2nd image in the original posting. It's almost impossible to photograph the transparent acrylic so I had to make up a short section of track and apply some paint. 100_211351_270000000.jpg The S1 chairs are C&L 3-bolt; the ballast is Slaters "Fine" (the bag is priced 84p so it may have been in my box for a while!); the ash is by C&L with a few bits of greenery by Woodland Scenics. 100_211351_510000000.jpg From left-to-right: CCR chair and 3 CC chairs. The CCL chair was out of focus so had to be cropped from this view. 100_211352_260000000.jpg From left-to-right: CC chair and CCL chair. You can just see some banding from the 3D-printing process in this ...
... unhappy with the current position, and matters are in flux. cheers, Martin. posted: 6 May 2018 22:13 from: Rob Manchester Martin, Thanks for the heads-up on the Exactoscale situation. I had assumed that the rights to produce and manage stock all fell with Phil at C&L now but that doesn't seem to be the case. Personally I am happy with modified RTR stock using Alan Gibson wheels( thanks to Colin for his efficiency) and kit built items from the likes of Cambrian, Slaters/Coopercraft and such like. I usually use MJT and Bill Bedford compensation parts on rolling stock. It would be good to have the Exactoscale rolling stock items available again, some silly prices get asked for them on ebay. Rob posted: 7 May 2018 08:50 from: Hayfield Andy Track is still a very Cinderella part of the hobby, with all but a few modellers uninterested. Interest is growing but at a snails pace compared to other areas. I for one have been put off from 3D printing in ...
... topic: 1430 7mm scale wagon compensation units posted: 22 Mar 2011 01:17 from: Rob Manchester Hello, I have been looking around for some compensation units to put under kit built 7mm scale wagons, mainly Slaters ones that don't have the already compensated chassis. I got some from a small company at the Kettering Spring O gauge show but they place the wheels too far from the wagon floor. Anybody got any views on this? Ideally I would prefer each wagon to have both axles included so that the wheels can be added later after painting is done. Regards Rob posted: 22 Mar 2011 01:44 from: mike47j I've used the one from WEP models which seemed the right size, my price list is 3 years old but it indicates there are ones for different size wheels. I noticed the other day that Meteor Models also has one on its web site, but I've never used it (seems expensive and only one size ?). Lately I've just been using an L shaped piece of brass strip under the middle of ...
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... hardly visible to the eye, but a huge improvement in operating. (This is one reason why I do not approve, in modelling, of combined stock and check rail chairs, as used on the prototype). I introduce this here, not as a red herring, but as a suggestion as to why some folk believe that the 0-XF 'bee' is incapable of flight. But before I run for cover, I will tell you about a well known S7 modeller who exhibits widely. He uses standard unmodified Slaters wheels on 33mm axles. How does he do this? Simply by widening the clearances. And nobody notices.... Is he wrong? Now Friar John of the Funnels held that a man who would drink wine of three months, would hang a child of as many years; meaning, not that it could not be done, but that it should not be done in good conscience. Was he perhaps thinking of or S7 friend? Regards Brian Lewis Martin Wynne wrote: Brian Lewis wrote: I ran 0 ...
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... . I built a lot of 7mm stock plus loco's. But I also obtained one of the 85a Hunslets.. Lovely model BUT...The coupling rods no longer stay on the loco. Basically this is due to the fact the plastic inserts for the back of the wheels have worn out. Now I don't mind putting a new chassis into the loco, but for the sake of 6 securing inserts made of plastic I could save a lot of my hard earned wedge. Some Modellers have reamed out the wheels to take the Slaters cranks etc and that may be the next course of action. However if I can obtain the afor said mention bits of plastic I would be a much happier bunny. Currently I have an Eric Underhill Jinty awaiting painting, Several re-configured Lima 4F's being bashed ..A J94 and a Gronk awaiting construction.. posted: 18 Jul 2016 12:02 from: Martin Wynne Cartaret wrote: Now I don't mind putting a new chassis into the loco, but for the sake of 6 securing inserts made of plastic I could ...
... significant conflicts on these curves: 2_271638_330000000.png It does depend on the actual size of your rolling stock of course. Short 4-wheel coaches may clear on these curves, but bogie stock would need to be very narrow to clear. I notice also that you are using the traditional GOG-F track standard. Most track builders in 7mm scale have abandoned this nowadays in favour of the 0-MF standard (31.5mm gauge, 1.5mm flangeways). This gives much improved running through pointwork with modern wheels such as those supplied by Slaters, while still accepting older wheels without problems. See for example: topic 1811 topic 1394 and lots of discussion on RMweb about 0-MF. regards, Martin. posted: 27 Apr 2016 23:27 from: RK Martin, Many thanks for your response, and for the welcome. Yes that was what I was afraid of. I'd used the make double-track option within the software to create the curves, and just assumed that it would be ok- but didn't want to rely on assumption! Can ...
... to use. The important point to note is that all these gauges use the same wheels, and the track gauges can therefore be mixed on the same layout, according to circumstance and location. 0 gauge is often used in the hostile maintenance environment of a garden railway, and it's not always wise to adopt the tightest possible standards in such a situation. regards, Martin. posted: 25 May 2007 19:11 from: Richard Lambert It's quite simple Brian. I run a large amount of stock with differing wheelsets- Slaters, Gibson, HOG, Haywood, Easy-Build, Peco. Since the layout incorporates a relatively high speed run through pointwork, I have to guarantee no derailments, both from mine and visiting stock. 31.00 cannot do this. Since I want something better than 32.00, and since I am building it, I might as well go down either a 31.2 or 31.5 route, either of which would be an improvement on 32.00. Rightly or wrongly, I have gone for 31.5mm. Still back to the original question- ...
... Traditional 0 gauge, but no longer recommended because the currently available wheels are not wide enough to run properly over the V-crossings (frogs). 0-MF -- 31.5mm gauge, 1.5mm flangeways. This has now become the preferred standard for use with all existing 0 gauge wheels. Gauge tools for building 0-MF pointwork are available from Debs: message 11756 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/user/13493-debs/ 0-SF -- 31.2mm gauge, 1.2mm flangeways. For Slaters wheels only. I'm not aware of any gauge tools available, you would need to make your own. 0-XF -- 31.0mm gauge, 1.2mm flangeways. Gauge tools are available from C&L but this is not recommended, it doesn't work. The check gauge is wrong for current wheels. S7 -- 33.0mm gauge, 1.0mm flangeways. This is exact scale from the prototype. For S7 wheels only. Full details and gauge tools from the ScaleSeven group: http://www.scaleseven.org.uk The track gauge affects ...
... topic: 2636 7mm scale 1.6mm Wooden Sleepers posted: 15 Feb 2015 22:46 from: Rob Manchester Hello, Does anybody know a source of laser cut 1.6mm thick sleepers and turnout timbers for 7mm scale? C&L used to do them but now only offer them in 3.2mm thickness. Thanks Rob posted: 15 Feb 2015 23:00 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rob, Slaters list plywood sleepers for 7mm scale, but don't say the thickness -- worth a call? http://slatersplastikard.com/accessories/sleepers.php Martin. posted: 15 Feb 2015 23:18 from: Martin Wynne p.s. Rob, The Slater's 7mm track-building book says timbers are cut from 1/16" marine ply suitable for outdoor use. 1/16"= 1.6mm. To suit their expensive turned brass rivets, so I doubt they have changed the thickness over the years. Martin. posted: 16 Feb 2015 00:10 from: Rob Manchester Hi Martin, Thank you for the reminder about Slater's. I had forgotten all about ...
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