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... topic: 1544 Trap points for sidings posted: 19 Jun 2011 16:37 from: geoff Hi, Can anyone please shed light on LNWR practice? My question concerns trap-points in sidings, definitely not running lines. My question arises from preparing my trackwork for Rhyl. It seems that in some places the LNWR track lasted into the 60's. In the goods yard you can see LNWR 4-bolt pattern chairs and in one instance a wagon turntable lasted into the 1950's. My guess is to use a 12foot straight( loose-heel) switch. Grateful for any expert knowledge. Thanks, Geoff posted: 20 Jun 2011 15:38 from: Brian Nicholls undefined geoff wrote: Can anyone please shed light on LNWR practice? My question concerns trap-points in sidings, definitely not running lines. My question arises from preparing my trackwork for Rhyl. It seems that in some places the LNWR track lasted into the 60's. In the goods yard you can see LNWR 4-bolt pattern chairs and in one instance a wagon turntable ...
... models should run on it. But with the benefit of hindsight it was clearly a big mistake. I believe the reference to 00 has been a primary cause of all the argument and contention over the years. I don't think I can go on over and over again explaining 00-SF forever. The final straw has come today with a post on RMweb muddying the water with suggestions of using 16.2mm crossings on a 16.5mm layout, and building variable-gauge pointwork. That strikes me as a recipe for disaster in the long term. 00-SF is not 00. It is a variant of EM. It is a standard in its own right with a track gauge is 16.2mm. Everywhere -- except where gauge-widened on sharp curves in prototypical fashion. (Some users like to use 16.5mm flexi-track for that.) As the inventor of the "00-SF" designation I can uninvent it. And I have now done so. I have changed the designation to 4-SF in Templot: This is a naming change ...
... topic: 2649 LNWR Set yes or no? posted: 12 Mar 2015 13:35 from: Brassey Hello Martin You helped me a while ago in setting up the spec of Templot for LNWR timbering which I have now built the straight track with. Regarding turnouts, I have followed your postings about the importance of the "set" in the curved rail. I have the LNWR track drawings for 1909 and I can see no reference to a set though there are very detailed drawings of both straight cut and under-cut points. Am I therefore right in assuming that the LNWR may not have employed a set and used under-cuts instead where deemed necessary? Photos of LNWR track are hard to find but I have not seen any set in the few I looked at last night. I totally agree that the set would improve my running in P4 but I am just checking whether it would have been prototypical for my layout. Regards Peter posted: 12 Mar 2015 13:39 from: Martin Wynne Hi Peter, There is always a ...
... -drawn as a signal box diagram all in plain track templates, something like this: slip2.gif cheers, Martin. posted: 13 May 2020 13:43 from: Gordon S Thanks Martin. ET is 18' x 14', but I plan to cut off the bottom end of the plan as that is just plain track. Looking at the drawing I have in front of me the aspect ratio is probably 3:2. The dimensions were off the top of my head, so probably 600 x 400. In terms of jagged edges, I was looking at an enlarged .png print on my screen which is set at 1920 x 1080 resolution. I'm not a computer/graphics expert, so there may be a better file type to export. Here's a pic from my screen showing what I meant. 479_130823_550000000.jpg The problem I have is mentally transferring a straight line schematic as per block diagrams, into the curved layout of my own track work. Remember it is spread over three sides and some of the turnouts may be 10' away from ...
... Templot by post is now withdrawn. Online via PayPal only please. I would just add that the price of Templot has now remained unchanged for over 10 years. regards, Martin. posted: 14 Jun 2011 09:40 from: mike47j Have you checked that is OK? I suspect it's not, and that DSR will still apply. I think the most you can do is to reduced the default period of 28 days down to 7 days and only if its clearly stated on your site. Also by having such a term in your contract there is a risk that the whole contract becomes worthless. Mike Johnson posted: 14 Jun 2011 11:22 from: Martin Wynne mike47j wrote: Have you checked that is OK? I suspect it's not, and that DSR will still apply. I think the most you can do is to reduced the default period of 28 days down to 7 days and only if its clearly stated on your site. Hi Mike, DSR does not apply to items made to order, which includes a Templot lock- ...
... track plan using the remaining buttons. This will include the basic make tools, so will also need an explanation of stored templates and the control template. That is a concept which is so blindingly simple, and yet seems to be so alien to many. Every single word will have to be carefully judged. The basic methods of making: Double track oval with passing loop and siding (like a Triang train set with a couple of track extension packs) I'm not going anywhere near that, at least not in the short term. Such geometrical work is out of place in Templot, and not straightforward. Beginners don't want to be working straight off with swing angles and the rest if they have got any sense. That sort of thing is all so much easier in say AnyRail or XtrackCad that beginners are better staying there if that is what they want. Terminus station design- Minories type with double track/engine release/parcels bay. Flowing single track terminus- aligning templates over a pre-drawn Template to ensure it flows nicely. Yes ...
27. Questions on the basic fundamentals on prototype (and scale model) turnout dimensions and design met
... . Many thanks again Martin Kindest regards, Brian Nicholls. posted: 21 Feb 2011 00:40 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Howard, Many thanks for your response. Regarding confidence in my plan, I have so far found it to be reasonably accurate, despite having to correct the scaling in Templot due to shrinkage of the plan being poorly stored over the years. To correct for the scaling, I measured using the Templot ruler against the scaling bar on the drawing background image. Also I had a copy of another original LNWR drawing for one of the stations overall roof trusses, which was something like 198 ft 6 in long, this being a known dimension I could also measure on the background image as verification for accurate scaling to 4mm to 1 foot. I take your point about pre-grouping track may be something very different from REA standard, but no matter which type of switch I use (old style or RAE) they won't line up to the image rail lines (here I must add, that there is not a mammoth out ...
... topic: 2137 LNWR plain track in Templot posted: 11 Jan 2013 14:46 from: Martin Wynne On RMweb, Brassey, on 11 Jan 2013- 13:13, said: Martin, can Templot be configured to the LNWR sleeper spacings? Hi Peter, Yes -- assuming you know what they were for your prototype and period. My information for LNWR is as follows (from C. J. Allen, 1915): 60ft rails, 24 sleepers per length. Spacings to sleeper centres from rail end: 12" to first sleeper 1 space at 27.3/4" 21 spaces at 30.1/2" 1 space at 27.3/4" 12" to rail end. Total= 720"= 60ft. End sleepers 12" wide. All others 10" wide. All 9ft long. Heavier chairs than standard on the wider end sleepers. If you need more LNWR data, the LNWR Society should be able to help. Stuart Hince has written a tutorial on setting up custom rail lengths and sleeper spacings in Templot. ...
... those. Also, "copy" does not specify a direction -- we already have "copy to the control" for transfers in the reverse direction. We could end up with too many copies to make sense. On the other hand, I have never liked "store& background" -- it is too much of a mouthful, it's too long to fit easily on menus and buttons, the meaning is far from clear to beginners, and it is too easily confused with the background shapes functions. But the term "background template" is now scattered throughout the program, videos and help notes. Changing it to something else would be weeks of editing work. Also, although I doubt many have noticed, there is a subtle difference between "track plan" as two words, meaning the collection of background templates; and "trackplan" as one word, meaning the trackplan item on the sketchboard as a single object. If we start using the term "track plan" instead of "background templates" more generally, there seems ...
30. Joggles
... topic: 2175 Joggles posted: 11 Mar 2013 21:47 from: julia Can anyone suggest how to make a Joggle- I am not sure if that is the right term for it, but it's the term used in the 2mm scale track book- in a piece of flat bottom rail? Thanks J posted: 11 Mar 2013 22:09 from: Martin Wynne Hi Julia, Joggles are not usually made in flat-bottom rail because the rail section is too stiff. Most flat-bottom switches use the chamfered style of planing in which the stock rail is machined: 1679_261348_250000001.jpg The above pic from the excellent collection of Michael Davies in the Image Gallery, the large hi-res version is at: gallery/1679/original/1679_261348_250000001.jpg Lots more pics at: http://85a.co.uk/forum/gallery_view.php?user=1679#gallery_top Chamfered planing looks like this (this diagram is for bullhead rail): 1932_021155_110000000.gif The problem with chamfered planing is that it is very difficult to do in model form. Almost all model rail ...
31. Autumnal gloom
... topic: 201 Autumnal gloom posted: 17 Oct 2007 19:35 from: Martin Wynne topic started 2007 On P4_talk today Tim Shackleton (editor of Model Railway Journal) is being very gloomy: Personally I don't feel we can attract new blood in sufficient numbers to sustain the long-term survival of this hobby, and I think it would be a waste of time and energy to do so. I think (and this has been my platform all along) those already active within the hobby need to come together in a positive spirit to manage the last few meaningful years of finescale modelling in such as way that we can enjoy it in reasonable comfort and obtain the fulfilment we seek. In ten or fifteen years, max, the lights will go out on railway modelling whatever we do. I started developing Templot 28 years ago in 1979. It was first released 8 years ago in 1999. There is still a long way to go until it is finished (or at least within sight of the finishing post). Progress is now much ...
32. Dud(ley) Plot?
... topic: 2466 Dud(ley) Plot? posted: 3 Jun 2014 18:20 from: Ariels Girdle Hi- I'm not quite a beginner, but am trying my first complex track plan. It is based on Dudley, a joint LNWR/GWR station, in BR days. Most of it I think I have bodged moderately well, but I am not confident about the geometry/feasibility of the slip, outside slip and 3-way interlaced turnout in particular. I have attached the file (I hope) which is based on the BR era OS Map. The only real change (accepting that OS Maps will not be 100% reliable) is to curve the track on the approach to the tunnel (RH side of the diagram) the opposite way to how it really was. I have not bothered sorting out the timbering at this stage, as getting the rails right seems to me to be the main priority for the moment. Apart from the map, I have taken into account information from a limited number of photos ...
... topic: 1701 ADMIN: Templot changes posted: 27 Nov 2011 18:41 from: Martin Wynne Dear all, The price of a Templot licence has remained unchanged for over 10 years. That means it is now much cheaper in real terms than it was, despite the many new features introduced over that time. I've allowed this situation to develop because I'm very aware of the deficiencies in Templot as a proper software product -- especially with regard to the confusing mess the user documentation is in. New users have been starting with the 10-year-old version 074b, despite the availability of much improved later versions, simply because 074b is the only version with a reasonably full set of user docs. But I've reached the end of my tether in trying to explain this over and over again in emails to users, despite the fact that it is fully explained in my order confirmation letter. If we carry on as we are I shall be ill. There is simply no way in the short term that I can find the time to ...
... topic: 2575 Admin: addition to Terms of Use posted: 17 Nov 2014 22:11 from: Martin Wynne I have updated the Terms of Use for Templot2 to include: 12. You understand and agree that Templot2 software will install on your computer BB FlashBack Micro Player software from Blueberry Software Ltd. This term should have been included in the installer for the current version of Templot2 (211a) -- sorry it was omitted. This is the video player for the FBR files. If you do not agree to have the player installed on your computer, please uninstall Templot2. The full Terms of Use for Templot2 can be seen at: http://templot.com/companion/index.html?terms_of_use.htm regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> Admin: addition to Terms of Use about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members ...
... write detailed Help notes. A version of Templot for those who know what they are doing and don't need such assistance. Who don't mind the odd bug if there is a way round it. If it all gets in a muddle they could swap back to the OpenTemplot version (assuming the files are still compatible). But getting from here to there is not so simple. There is no "open source now" button which I can click. I have to decide which of several possible licences to adopt. The licence terms would require that anyone else developing new code would be required to open-source it on the same terms. But that would not apply to me as the original copyright holder -- so it needs to be carefully written. I then have to make sure all the files have the correct copyright notices and links to the licence. I have to remove the functions which can't be open-sourced, without breaking anything else. I have to make sure that the published code will compile without errors on a currently available compiler ...
... topic: 2397 Straws in the wind posted: 3 Feb 2014 22:52 from: Martin Wynne A while ago I was wondering if there is a long-term future for programs such as Templot, now that the days of the home desktop computer seem to be drawing to a close. As a straw in the wind, this has just been posted on RMweb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/81879-cl-diamond-crossing-ratio/#entry1331371 Is it possible to do proper computing on a tablet computer, and where would I start in coding it? Or is the future for Templot on a hobby electronics system such as the Raspberry Pi? Martin. Last edited on 3 Feb 2014 22:53 by Martin Wynne posted: 3 Feb 2014 23:04 from: Trevor Walling Hello Martin, I would suggest tablets are too small for using something such as Templot.Besides the screen size, there is also the issue of a physical keyboard being absent.My grandchildren have them but their use is very ...
... topic: 2441 Two New Permanent Way Books from the LNWR Society. posted: 11 Apr 2014 17:11 from: Brian Nicholls Hi All, I would just like to advise you, that the LNWR society are about to launch two permanent way track books. See cover images below. I am sure that such books have been long awaited by many a railway modeller. I am not quite sure of the pricing details yet, but will let you all know as soon as I am made aware of this. I have attached a PDF file which contains an edited version of the item which will appear in the next LNWRS news letter, this being a precise of the books contents. By the way, I have no financial interest in the two books, as all proceeds go to the LNWRS, just the privilege, pleasure and satisfaction of having the been able to accomplish producing useful documents. All the best. Brian Nicholls. 1853_111203_420000000.png 1853_111157_580000000.png Attachment: attach_1819_2441_LNWR_Archive_Repr oductions.pdf 392 posted: 12 Apr 2014 14:46 from: Brian Nicholls Hi All ...
... might add). Also if anyone has a photo showing such timbering of this type of formation, that would be very appreciated. At this time I am only interested in the crossovers situated in the four track roads at slightly the right of centre and towards the top of the box file, all other formations are not yet quite ready for finishing, but if anything in other areas is seen to glaringly wrong, I would appreciative your advice. As a point of interest, the proto track work was originally laid by the LNWR and would have followed their procedures. As you will see from the Box file, I have elected to put the tinbers at right angles to the main roads, I think at least that part is correct. Any and all input will be gratefully received. Many thanks in anticipation. Best regards, Brian Nicholls. Attachment: attach_977_1370_New_Street_Station _1921_GSNC-CR_492scale_AZ.box 212 posted: 15 Feb 2011 11:42 from: Phil O 38_150638_340000000.png Hi Brian I would go for the extended crossing timber option in this case as trying to fit long ...
... topic: 1545 Admin: Templot Licence Terms posted: 19 Jun 2011 22:53 from: Martin Wynne The next Pug version of Templot will include several new export and display options for Templot track plans -- PDF files, image files, metafiles, sketchboard drawings, and a new simplified output option called diagram mode. Accordingly it makes sense to rethink the licence terms for the use of Templot. Providing it relates to your own personal hobby use of Templot and it is not done by way of trade or otherwise for financial gain, all restrictions on the publication, distribution, sharing and copying of Templot-derived material are withdrawn with immediate effect. That means Templot vector files (PDF, DXF, EMF) may be uploaded to your web site, attached to messages on web forums, given to friends on CD or USB stick, sent by email, etc. Templot raster images (PNG, etc.) may be freely published on web sites, in magazine articles, exhibition guides, etc. However, I would be grateful if ...
... track length etc and the effect the peg has are plain enough (after a while). Why some still appear in the plan is where we started. Some are round- well if that is just the peg ok. But why do I see it on some templates and not on others. I haven't seen it on other box files I have downloaded. Is there likely to be something wrong with the "connectedness" of my plan? Templot doesn't seem to care about having a connected graph for want of a better term. The square one.... Hmmm.... square peg.... unfortunately overly round human...| Lots of heartbeats expended posted: 8 Aug 2010 10:06 from: Martin Wynne Hi Greg, I think our messages crossed. The abbreviations are explained here: http://www.templot.com/martweb/gs_geometry.htm#peg_positions I really can't do much to help if folks don't read the docs. regards, Martin. posted: 8 Aug 2010 10:22 from: grog_polymer Hi ...
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