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201. Confused by radii
... topic: 1596 Confused by radii posted: 24 Aug 2011 12:25 from: Paulr1949 Hello again I am currently creating a plan in O-gauge FS which requires a right-angled curve to get from Fiddleyard to main platform on L-shaped boards. In this curve is a LH A-5 semi-curved point- the turnout road from this leads to the main platform, the main road to a runround loop. The main curve radius is approx. 51 inches, but the information screen is now flashing minimum radius of 25.1 inches (637mm). Looking at the info in the storage box it tells me track centre-line radius= 1288.06 (constant radius) resultant switch radius (centre-line)= 931 approx. resultant turnout radius (centre-line)= 637 approx. -- -- -- -- -- -- switch radius (rail gauge-face)= 3374.0 turnout radius (rail gauge-face)= 1274.45 So I appear to have a switch radius of 3/4 ...
... topic: 2552 Just starting- working out geometry of turnouts posted: 15 Oct 2014 19:04 from: DerekStuart Hello everyone. I have read much of this forum now and learned an awful lot, but with a huge amount more to learn about this complex tool. I have experimented and designed several "looks about right" goes at a junction, but I feel I am now ready to look at doing it 'properly', but I need help. If I may explain what I am doing: I have been away from modeling for [cough] years and have never modeled beyond finescale oo. However, having seen what can be achieved with Templot, I am going to go for P4. I have quite an ambitious layout in mind (35ft- and no, you can't talk me out of it!). I am going to build a number of smaller modules to gain experience and re-gain practice etc. What I am trying to do is to plot the trackwork now so that I can best decide how to ...
... topic: 2186 Platforms and Turnouts posted: 31 Mar 2013 10:25 from: Howard If I add a platform to the "turnout" side of a turnout, it follows the straight track and not the diverging track. Is this as intended? I'm using 2.06d on Windows XP. Howard Watkins. posted: 31 Mar 2013 10:50 from: Martin Wynne Howard wrote: If I add a platform to the "turnout" side of a turnout, it follows the straight track and not the diverging track. Is this as intended? Hi Howard, Yes, that's intended. Prototypically it is quite rare for a platform to be alongside the diverging road of a turnout. However, if you do need that: 1. copy the turnout to the control. 2. click tools> make split> make plain track turnout road> on external geometrical radius menu item. If that menu item is greyed out: a. if the peg is on CTRL-0 put it on CTRL-1 (or anywhere except CTRL-0 ...
... I've made a track plan for my intended layout, drawn exactly on the map as far as I am able. I wonder if this is as satisfactory as I think it is!? It's all done using the "beginner" tools but it looks fine to me- or maybe there are some improvements that can easily be made before I start actually making the trackwork? The only thing I know needs to be done (apart from finishing plotting one track into the shed) is putting in missing timbers on the 3 way turnout. I don't know if I can attach more than one file. I'll post again with the other file that Templot sent to my computer at the same time. Attachment: attach_3077_3685_Kyle_track_layout _complete_30_may.box 112 posted: 31 May 2020 08:08 from: Julian Roberts Julian Roberts wrote: Hi I've made a track plan for my intended layout, drawn exactly on the map as far as I am able. I wonder if this is as satisfactory as I think it is!? It's all done using the "beginner" tools but ...
205. Confused beginner
... getting started with Templot which is clearly a very powerful tool indeed, probably more than I need. I'm trying to create a track plan of Faringdon (GWR) as close to full size as I can. I've scanned in the background having shortened it a bit to fit and started laying track. I've run into a few areas where I need clarification (it must be me, not the tool) and I'd appreciate some input. a) I read that the recommended starting point is to lay plain track and then add turnouts to it and not build the plan from small pieces. However after adding some plain track to the turnout road, I can't now bend the end of it to start the next curve. So should I shorten the straight track to the point of beginning the curve and then add a curved piece or is there a way to curve (or bend) around a midpoint (or other location)? b) Is there a way to "snap" one piece to another so that they line up correctly with correct sleeper ...
... of the formations you choose. If you started by just building the Ks- or even looking at them in Templot (and you would have to create them with Partial Templates), you will see that there is a frightening long gap in the rails- even in P4. Regards, H posted: 11 Oct 2010 23:20 from: John Preston Hi Richard, Have taken a second look at your latest .box file and see potential problems with upper right hand area ladder track. I have taken the time to insert turnouts where there were none. The first turnout to the ladder I have named "Ladder lead", the inserted turnouts are "ladder turnout #1, 2& 3". See the attached .box file. I notice the minimum radius on Ladder turnout #1 is a barely acceptable 47.2 inches. The minimum radius on the other two are 33.3 and 26 inches respectively. I believe that some reworking of the plan may be useful. Additionally, I have changed the radius on the inner crossover line to 60 inches. ...
... topic: 3271 Exactoscale track parts and turnout kits posted: 16 May 2018 15:54 from: Martin Wynne Announcement today from Andrew Jukes: http://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?p =60948#p60948 from which: "Exactoscale track and turnout kits will also be taken away from C&L and will form a separate product group, also overseen by one person.Timescales here are likely to be long as there is a large volume of stock to be disentangled, sorted and organised. Some components may need to be ordered, with the lead time that implies. I am pressing for priority to be given to the sorting out even if that means more products being unavailable in the short term." posted: 16 May 2018 19:42 from: Rob Manchester Hi, Would some kind Scalefour Society member( ie who can post on their forum) like to ask the following of Andrew Jukes to give some guidance to users of his track components: What are the timescales involved in moving the range away from Phil? Does he ...
... topic: 384 Curved turnout geometry in Templot posted: 24 Mar 2008 21:11 from: Templot User When a turnout is placed on a curved alignment where is the neutral axis? i.e. the line along which there is neither stretching or compression of the turnout detail. Is it the centre line of the reference alignment? posted: 24 Mar 2008 21:30 from: Martin Wynne Templot User wrote: When a turnout is placed on a curved alignment where is the neutral axis? i.e. the line along which there is neither stretching or compression of the turnout detail. Is it the centre line of the reference alignment? If you are not a professional permanent-way engineer you may want to skip this. The traditional steam-era way to lay out a turnout on a curve is to start with a straight turnout and maintain the lead length constant along whichever is the flatter of the two closure rails. This establishes the relative positions of the switch and the V-crossing, and the remaining rails can then be added to match ...
209. Servos for Turnouts
... topic: 978 Servos for Turnouts posted: 22 Nov 2009 15:17 from: Stephen Freeman I am now convinced of the advantages of using servos to operate turnouts (and signals for that matter) and have attached one to an 00 turnout, this is fastened by means of a nut and bolt to a piece of pcb, which in turn is soldered to the underneath of a pcb timber, which in turn is soldered to the rail via brass rivets. I have removed the first timber for clarity. Picture attached. 142_221037_590000000.jpg There are also a couple of short Youtube videos on my website if anybody would like to take a look. It's my first foray into the world of Youtube videos etc and I'm still coming to terms with the various programs I have on my PC (Windows Movie Maker is easy but quality in my opinion leaves something to be desired, so I haven't used it). Gone a bit OT there. posted: 24 Nov 2009 23:23 from: Martin Lloyd There is a system on the market. It's ...
... You can lengthen it using F4 but don't extend it beyond the peg or the curving (if present) will be wrong. 7. Click 'real- timbering- no timbering'. You now have two rails, so select which side the conductor rail should be. 1876_280619_080000000.png 8. Click Do-omit rails and joint marks- choose either TS or MS- I chose TS. 1876_280625_500000000.png null 9. Click Main-Store and Background Remember that conductor rails swap sides of the track to avoid wear on the pickup shoes or turnouts and sometimes are missing altogether over e.g. level crossings and metal underbridges or where two electrical sections meet and are then connected by cable. Where the conductor rail swaps from one side to the other, there is a length of overlap, the Russ Elliott page gives this as 12 timber bays for Southern Electric. To achieve this overlap: 10. Select a length of plain track where the overlap is to occur and create the pair of conductor rails from that template as above- or- take an existing length of conductor ...
... topic: 2763 Tandem turnout and locking switches posted: 24 Oct 2015 22:32 from: Jubilee42 Hello Templotters! I have got so confident with my turnouts, that I've decided to draw the tandem turnout I need. I have noted that Martin warns beginners like me to try something simpler, but it all seemed to be going so well to start with! By following the video I have managed to get the two separate turnouts drawn and to put them on top of each other: 3033_241711_160000000.png I have also drawn the third turnout which makes the extra vee (where the notch is here) and placed it where I want it according to the video: 3033_241714_340000000.png It is shown here as the control. The next phase it to lengthen and turn it a bit so it lies on the underlying rails. To this end I am supposed to allow any sort of vee to be created, which I've done, and to lock the switch, which is not an option I can choose: 3033_241723_490000000.png What have I missed? I'm not at all sure ...
212. 3-way Handling
... topic: 3476 3-way Handling posted: 5 Aug 2019 15:59 from: Terry Schroeyens Hello again, I have tried a basic 3-way turnout in straight track just to see how it works. Making it the control seems tricky as it is made of multiple templates, so how to control the positioning of a branch or return curve? I tried positioning the peg but it didn't help. I also tried grouping by prefix tag but that didn't help making the whole thing the control. I did manage to add MS track with F4 but strangely only 1 rail appeared on the timbers, is this normal? I tried roaming but only some of the 3-way templates moved. BTW, 3-ways don't show up in the sketchboard. The 3-ways are based on a B V-8 turnout. Since the two facing 3-ways are not symmetrical, how do you get 2 crossover TS roads to meet? Return curves never have timbers on the curve- why is this? I tried the timbering options ...
... or as close to what I'm aiming for as possible? Many thanks, in anticipation of someone saving my sanity! Regards, Dave Yates Attachment: attach_1417_1901_Staircliffe_Excha nge_Sidings_v14_05-04-12_Dev) .box 414 posted: 6 Apr 2012 00:41 from: Tony W Hi David. Not an easy one to solve as you are trying to combine a constant radius curve one side of the diamond with a transition curve on the other, however I think this may work, but the timbering will need tidying up and the top right turnout may have to be moved slightly to allow the timbering to line up better. I will have another look at it tomorrow. Tony. Attachment: attach_1418_1901_staircliffe_junct ion_2012_04_06_0034_37.box 375 posted: 6 Apr 2012 02:11 from: Martin Wynne Hi Tony, Dave, Using a transition seems a bit of an overkill. If the turnouts are snaked a mm or two, fixed curves will fit. If the turnout toe positions are critical, the leads can be adjusted by changing the crossing entry straights (SHIFT+ F11). File ...
... topic: 3004 // Greetings from Greece// posted: 4 Apr 2017 18:08 from: Panos Tsirigotis Hello I am a new member in templot club and want to introduce myself. I am Panos from Greece and I am an N scale railway modeller. I am currently modelling a prototype railway station in Greece and I op to handlay track. Although prototype track plans does not include curved turnouts (it was once the greek railway practise to use straight turnouts in yards and stations due to low contruction cost, and straight turnouts were pre assempled and set in place just like the RTR turnouts), I definately want the software's assistance on custom diamond crossings and easyments in curves. I attach a drawing of my track plan that is based on the prototype. I draw this track plan using Adobe illustrator I have a lot of queries regarding drawing in Templot. Truth is that begun to draw the plan but get stuck during the process. Hope that through the assistance of club members I complete my plan and start lay down trackwork. P.S ...
215. Video + audio
... of all kinds tend to be littered with 'music', and either it is really 'cheesy' muzak which is inane and just about ignorable but not enjoyable, or it is 'good' music of a specific genre (classical, rock, jazz, etc) that some will love and others will hate. I found it extremely distracting in the trial video! The main thing that I find lacking in the silent videos is an overview of the sequence to be followed- it took me three viewings of the 3-way tandem turnout sequence to get clear in my own mind how the different operations were related/ grouped, and then further viewings to identify the subtleties. So I suggest a (spoken) brief introduction followed by occasional comments as to what has been completed/ what is about to be done, and pointing out the less obvious (= less used?) menu commands. I agree with Peter that silent videos are much more useful than the written tutorials. Keep 'em coming! Andy posted: 27 Nov 2007 18:00 from: ...
... topic: 124 00-SF history and information posted: 10 Aug 2007 05:25 from: Martin Wynne Dear all, There has been a rather acrimonious discussion about 00-SF on the RMweb forum today in which my name has been mentioned. I thought I would write a few notes about the background to 00-SF. Please feel free to copy this to RMweb or the 00-SF group if you wish. I myself have manufactured hundreds of 00-SF turnouts and sold them to very satisfied customers. They weren't actually called "00-SF" at the time, I just called them "00 extra fine". Some were on plain copper-clad timbering. Some were on my milled copper-laminate timbers with raised chairing effect. They all worked just fine as advertised. What follows is my best recollection of events more than 30 years ago. After all this time I confess my memory is much less than perfect, so if anyone reading this knows different, please do say. I could probably find out ...
... topic: 3834 S4 discussion about ready to use P4 turnouts posted: 9 Dec 2020 17:34 from: DerekStuart I'm puzzled. Why are people on the S4 forum trying to promote the manufacture of ready to lay P4 turnouts? Aside from the technical challenges of tolerence, outlined by Martin, there's still the re-wheeling (often requiring chassis modifications, especially for steam). Someone has got to ** WANT** to go to P4 and not just see it as one of many options. But the biggest killer to this point is prototype accuracy. When the World's railways restrict their tracks to 'short, medium and long' turnouts, in both straight and curved, then fair enough. Until then, a limited use of pre-set turnouts geometry will look little different to a wider version of 00 set track. The irony is that the USA might be the only place where a limited choice of turnouts would work and that is gauged with H0 any way. Moan over. Derek posted: 9 Dec 2020 20:31 ...
... starting to build a small layout in P4 of Ciliau Aeron just before and maybe after nationalisation. It was classed as a light railway and was home to a small fleet of 74xx Panniers and 14/48xx and autocoach's. There was a combination of Flatbottom and Bullhead since the line was built. However at some point between 48-51 the line through my halt was re-laid with BH. However the line was not re-laid throughout, as the platform road in Aberayron still had both FB and BH including FB turnouts until closure in '65. A few questions: The 1911 board of trade inspection stated the following FB rail 75lb/yd on 9'x10"x5" sleepers, with BH of 80 1/2lb/yd on 9'x9"x4.5" sleepers on curves to GWR standard. Would these sleeper sizes have been maintained until the 50's? At the halt i'm modelling the line was FB through the platform (until 48-51) but there are no photos of the goods loop to the East of the platform until the early 50's ...
219. New user
... would significantly degrade the functionality. And I'm led to believe some users do actually like Templot the way it is. regards, Martin. posted: 19 Jan 2011 21:23 from: Phil O Hi Nicholas I have to concur with all of the above. It is difficult to get your head around it at first but persevere with the tutorials and suddenly it will click. I have been persevering for about 7 years now and I can draw up a basic layout with one or two partial templates as for slips and tandem turnouts by referring back to the relevant video's I'm not yet up to doing irregular diamonds etc, but hopefully we will get them in the next upgrade. It is also helpful to know the basic permanent way vocabulary otherwise you may have problem understanding what is being asked of you. Cheers Phil posted: 19 Jan 2011 23:04 from: Mike Huxley Nicholas, There's an old saying that holds very true when using Templot for the first few times" Don't run before you can walk". I've been using Templot for just ...
... topic: 2554 Another "tandem" question I'm afraid posted: 20 Oct 2014 19:28 from: DerekStuart I'm afraid I'm after advice again... I know there are many articles on her for version 1 of Templot and some for V2. I have followed the video tutorial and seem to have made a few errors but have got to the point of sticking the 3rd "cut down" turnout on top. In the video it shows how to match the radius up with the main 2 points, but the wording is different. I have tried it in all combinations On both the first and second turnout. Could anyone tell me which is the correct bit of data to follow? I am using a B6 and C8. Any suggestions would be appreciated. Thanks Derek posted: 20 Oct 2014 21:59 from: Martin Wynne Hi Derek, The tandem video is well out of date and was made before the introduction of gaunt turnouts and irregular half-diamonds, either of which make a better partial template for the 3rd V- ...
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