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121. Straight Switches
... 09 from: Jim Guthrie Nigel Brown wrote: Thinks it's a common problem. I'm into 3mm finescale, and generally move the switch heel at least one sleeper spacing towards the frog. In fact as far as I remember to be on the safe side I use two sleeper spacings (Haven't built any for a bit). Nigel, That would be an option for me- extending the length of the switch blade. Another option I have is a bit of gauge widening. I'm using Cliff Barker sleeper units to construct interlaced turnouts. His standard gauge ones I've found to be a bit tight on gauge for ScaleOne32 (P -32 in Templot) so I'm going to have to use his gauge widened sleepers which will give me another 0.5mm of gauge to play with at the switch heel to get a bit more clearance, although this will mess about with the angles in the switch. Jim. posted: 5 Nov 2015 15:25 from: Martin Wynne Hi Jim, The straight switches in Templot are based on Table 7 in BRT3 (1964 ...
... topic: 3079 A ready-to-use 00 switch? posted: 14 Sep 2017 16:35 from: Martin Wynne Looking at the switch in the Peco advert for their new turnouts: post-1103-0 -13730300-1505402082.jpg© Peco it seems to be very acceptable within the limits of RTR production. I can imagine some track handbuilders might want to chop this part off to re-use in other formations with larger radii and flatter crossing angles. There's a choice of left and right hand. It's clearly a flexible switch with solid blades, rather than the existing loose-heel stampings which I was expecting to see. It's unfortunate that they have gone for a machined notch in the stock rail and thick blade tips seemingly machined on the back only. And the switch tips shouldn't be in fresh air overlapping the toe timber. They might be able to fix that in production. Or it might be possible to trim them back. But I've seen far worse in handbuilt track before now, and you could hardly expect more at ...
123. Dual gauge turnouts
... topic: 3037 Dual gauge turnouts posted: 7 Jun 2017 16:48 from: George Ray Several years ago I produced some dual gauge turnout 5" and 7 1/4" templates for our local Model Engineering Society of which I am a member. The requirement has now arisen to produce some more bespoke turnouts. I still have the original box file but the difference is such that I think I really need to start again. I started with a 7 1/4" turnout then tried to align a 5" gauge turnout on top to start to develop the necessary partial templates. However I can't find the notch and peg positions that allow the main rail to be common for both turnouts. Help please. I also need to be able for the turnout side rail to be the common rail for another turnout. The original templates were produced on v91c but I dont think this should have made a difference I just have forgotten how I did it.Any help gratefully received. posted: 7 Jun 2017 19:38 from: Martin Wynne Hi ...
124. Templot v. Marmite
... R As one of the (nearly) silent majority, may I say that I like using Templot and I have learnt to create some beautiful track layouts. As others have said, it isn't the easiest software to learn but when was that ever a qualification for "good" software! I spent all of my working life in the railway industry including quite a bit of time designing P Way layouts in the drawing office and surveying them on site. I was especially chuffed when I managed to produce a symmetrical 3-way turnout with all the timbers shoved in all the right places. Martin, please keep up the good work! Judi R Last edited on 12 Mar 2015 23:38 by Judi R posted: 12 Mar 2015 23:49 from: Rob Manchester Martin, A couple of niggles from me then ;- I think that documenting and demonstrating the capability of Templot is nearly as important as the features themselves. Assuming a new user makes sure that Templot is indeed a suitable program for his needs I can understand that some can be ...
... topic: 491 Setting the diverging stock rail posted: 14 Jul 2008 18:16 from: Martin Wynne Dear all, I have replied to a message on RMweb with some notes about setting the curved (diverging) stock rail for REA switches. It's probably worth repeating them here. Isambard Kingdom Brunel wrote: I seem to be having problems with the "SET", does anyone have or can someone take a photo of the "SET" on an actual turnout. The best pictures I can find so far are in Rod Cameron's post at: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?p =190472#p190472 Here I have marked up an extract from Rod's picture: stock_rail_rea.jpg The common REA bullhead A, B, etc. switches are "semi-curved" designs. For an ordinary straight turnout, that means there is a straight portion over the length of the tapered planing (machining) on the switch blade, and only beyond that the rails are curved. Here's a diagram to explain it: set_bend_rea.png Straight turnout: ...
... posted: 10 Sep 2012 18:07 from: Martin Wynne RT wrote: a) at the top right of the plan there will be a 3-way point. I've overlaid two B7 points and tweaked the curvature. Am i going the right way to create a 3-way or have I miss understood it totally? I know from the video there's more to do, but wanted to check I was learning correctly to start with! Hi Richard, What you have there is the makings of a 3-throw turnout, with both switches coincident. 3-throw turnouts are quite rare on the prototype and only used in yards and sidings. A 3-throw turnout would not be used in a passenger running line as you have it there. What you need is a tandem turnout, in which the two base turnouts are staggered: 00_tandem_quick.png Have a look at the one Tony has just done for Brian to see the difference: topic 2053- message 13667 Tandem turnouts have been much discussed on here. If you go to the Search ...
... the 'main lines' closer together as the lines off to the right (being sidings) are wider than the minimum 6 feet. This would also help to remove the odd reverse curve in the top right point, which I only saw by squinting along a print-out after I'd posted it! It's slight, but it's there. Phil, I noticed the reverse curve and I risked hours away from work and had a quick go of getting rid of it which I've attached. It's not tarted up yet- just two turnouts laying across the scissors diamond needing a lot of tidying up to get all the checks and wings in. Jim. Attachment: attach_288_465_st_marg_BITS_08_06 _20_1651_18.box 489 posted: 20 Jun 2008 22:14 from: Jim Guthrie Jim Guthrie wrote: phileakins wrote: On way of moving the diamond V's out is to move the 'main lines' closer together as the lines off to the right (being sidings) are wider than the minimum 6 feet. This would also help to remove the odd reverse curve in the top right point, which ...
... topic: 91 Turnout selection for high speed diverging route posted: 19 Jun 2007 03:29 from: BTuckey Hi, I have a situation on a planned layout where two tracks split out into four. After the junction, the two straight lines go from 'Up and Down Main' into 'Up and Down Slow' whilst the two diverging lines become the 'Up and Down Fast'. This is because the two centre tracks (Up and Down Slow) climb up an incline before crossing over the Up Fast to run into a Terminus. This gives the unusual(?) scenario of the two diverging lines being the high speed ones. If it survives the posting, the track diagram is as follows: -- -- -- -- Up Fast------------ -- -Up Fast--------/---------Up Slow----------- -- -Down Fast-- ...
... idea of extending the scenic sections down each side and then building a double junction leading to a new fiddle yard outside the existing one. It has the advantage that we could finish the new scenic parts in stages e.g. do the 'Holyhead end first and then the 'Chester' end second. There's no problem in losing the section you identify- it is where the dock branch joins the fiddle yard and we will re-position this to lead into the new fiddle yard. We're not too worried about the need for high speed turnouts- in our experience, as long as we keep within the 1200 minimum radius constraint, then trains will happily run at way over maximum line speed. The Holyhead-Euston express, long-term resident on road 16, regularly negotiates the trailing and facing A6 part of the tandem turnout plus return curve without difficulties. As long as we keep the double junction in the fiddle yard rather than as part of the scenic section then we don't need to worry about appearances. We also need to bear in mind possible constraints ...
... . At the moment I'm fussing with the tie size and spacing. For reference, my standards: Fn3 (1 :20.3) 45mm gauge 76inch ties (3.75" actual) 8.12inch tie width and thickness, both plain and tournout (0.4" actual) 24.35inch tie spacing (0.8" actual gap between ties) that works out to 12 ties per 24 foot rail I've managed to get the plain track to meet the above, including getting the rail joint where I want it relative to the end ties. For the straight turnout, I *think* I have the ties correct except for the lead-in ties, J1 and J2. I think I have the lengths of J1 and J2 correct, but I can't seem to get the spacing correct. What parameter affects this spacing? The curved turnout is more difficult to be sure of, but again I think it's only the lead-in ties that are off, in this case J1. The other issue I'm having with the straight turnout is that the diverging rails end at a vertical ...
... topic: 2123 Creating a crossover between 2 existing parallel tracks posted: 17 Dec 2012 10:39 from: r_wilton I know how to create a crossover using the >tools>make simple crossover but i get stuck trying to create a crossover between two existing tracks spaced at say 100mm apart. I usually try to guestimate the position of the second turnout. There must be a more accurate way but being only an occasional user i've not figured it out.Can anybody give me a pointer to a relevent tutorial or suggestion. RegardsRay. posted: 17 Dec 2012 11:01 from: Martin Wynne Hi Ray, If you know the spacing exactly, say 100mm: 1. insert a turnout in one of the tracks. 2. tools> adjacent track centres... and enter 100mm for the TS spacing. 3. tools> make simple crossover. That will give you the rail geometry, but the timbering will not be very prototypical. A proper prototypical wide crossover needs a bit more work. There is a video about creating a wide crossover ...
... Ask if you need more. There are some recent new functions in Templot which may help. cheers, Martin. posted: 30 Aug 2020 17:36 from: Martin Wynne Hi Roger, Glad you are making progress. See also: topic 3752 cheers, Martin. posted: 21 Nov 2020 13:01 from: Roger Bristow Hi Martin, Having spent sometime getting a little more confident, and thereby enjoyment in using Templot to plan my triangle out with double junctions, I now want to gain experience with making a turnout. It will be the first ever for me as I've purchased all the others ready made! I'm starting with a 5 metre radius turnout kit from Cliff Barker. The moulded sleepers have a standard size separator bar that gives a fixed gap (22.5mm) between sleeper centres as there is a clip that fixes into the next sleeper, this is to aid assembly. Whilst I could cut them all off (which I will have to do when I get into the more complex formations) I would like to retain them and ...
133. WDLR Turnouts
... topic: 3646 WDLR Turnouts posted: 28 Apr 2020 00:01 from: Bruce A Wilson Way back in 2012 I posted a drawing of a WDLR turnout I had drawn in Templot and a photo of the WDLR drawing. I had asked if someone might take a look at my template to see if I had thing correct. Now 8 years on I am getting ready to lay some WDLR in O14. I would appreciate if I could get some comments on my work. I am going to approach Tim Warris at Fast Track about getting a fixture made. The first file to a picture of the WDLR drawing, which has since appeared in the WDLR Companion book my copy of which is in storage following a fire so I do not have it handy. I will post my template separately. TIA Bruce Wilson Barrie, Ontario, Canada Attachment: attach_3011_3646_30mRadiusWDLRTurn out.JPG 103 posted: 28 Apr 2020 00:03 from: Bruce A Wilson My template for WDLR turnout Attachment: attach_3012_3646_WDLR_30_m_Turnout _1.box 94 posted: 28 Apr 2020 10:36 from: Stephen ...
... topic: 123 Curved 3-way turnouts posted: 9 Aug 2007 18:13 from: its_all_downhill Hello all I have a question that is, I want to build an entrance to a yard with a rather sharp entry to it and am planning on building a 3-way to save space and minimize the radius squeeze.. I know these are not technical terms but is it a 3 way or mor like 2 curved points very close together? I have taken the largest radius as the longest road and the middle as the next and the inside as the shortest is this the best way to achive this I will try uploading a pic later from home.. Regards Tom posted: 9 Aug 2007 18:30 from: Paul Boyd Hi Tom Any tandem turnout is basically two (or more) turnouts very close together- so close that they overlap. If you think of them as two turnouts rather than a big, complicated formation they become very easy to draw and build. It sounds like both turnout roads are diverging from the same ...
... topic: 1889 Three-Throw Turnout (not tandem) posted: 28 Mar 2012 09:14 from: mike47j I'm drawing a layout in 0 gauge, based on Greenwich Park (about 1900). There is a run round line between the platforms which needs a three-throw turnout. I can follow the tandem turnout for the central frog, but I'm not sure what to do at the toe end. In the image gallery is a drawing of a Great Central three-throw which shows the centre blades are 3ft longer than the outer blades. Due to the lack of space the other end of the crossovers will probably need to be 9ft curved 1:6, do I just start with a 12ft curved 1:6 for the three-throw? And do I have to do anything special at the heel end? Thanks Mike Johnson posted: 28 Mar 2012 16:35 from: Alan Turner To my knowledge Three Throw turnouts were not used in running lines. However the principle is that each pair of switch blades has a ...
... topic: 940 3-way tandem turnouts in 00 posted: 23 Sep 2009 15:25 from: Peter Price I am after some help with a 3-Way Tandem Turnout in 00 finescale, these are to replace PECO code 75 Three Way Turnouts. I have a set of C&L templates for a B8 LH/ B6 RH Tandem Turnout, which I had intended to use until I got Templot. I have spent the last two days trying to make a B8 LH/ B6 RH Turnout with no result, I get to set the curving as in your video, but what is shown in the video is not what is shown on my screen (I have plug 91c). Looking at the turnout info I have used External Geometrical Radius which I have set at -1772.77 but this is coming out wrong. Could you please advise me where I am going wrong. As these new turnouts are to replace PECO ones I am restricted to space, the ones from C&L just fit. If the Templot ones are longer ...
... 11270434624_9c4bb45445_b.jpg image linked from: http://live.staticflickr.com/4903/44277160080_31684fed54_b.jpg Excellent work Paul. But for clockwork, battery, or live steam? Martin. posted: 15 Jun 2016 16:42 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin! Gaps in copperclad are so unsightly!!! Martin Wynne wrote: Excellent work Paul. But for clockwork, battery, or live steam? posted: 17 Jun 2016 15:43 from: Hayfield Paul I agree with you about the gaps in copperclad, but I offered to build one turnout just for the experience of building one. One thing I have done is to gap the sleepers before I start soldering, and then fill the gaps with filler and sand it flat, as its so much easier to do this without any rails in the way. You can also test the work whilst building it under power I also sometimes use the odd copperclad timber in a chaired turnout, using a packing piece of 0.6 mm double sided copperclad strip (this insulates the rail from the timber providing cast chairs are not used ...
... Help wanted- Corfe Castle posted: 13 Feb 2010 17:34 from: Templot User -- --- from Neil Berrington -- --- I am struggling with Templot a tad. (I'm a biomechanical kind of fellow, so CAD design escapes my limited intellect) The time investment in learning the program is significant. Is there anyone who is able to produce a Templot file for me? (Lazy bugger that I am.) The tricky area is really the flow of the goods yard- almost tandem turnouts. I attach the station in question- Corfe Castle, Dorset. 46_131232_230000000.png (Click the link in the Image Gallery to see it full-size.) Neil Berrington Canada posted: 13 Feb 2010 18:06 from: Paul Boyd Hi Neil Before anyone can offer help, there's two vital bits of info needed. Firstly, the easy one, which scale/gauge are you modelling in? The second- there's no scale on the map you posted. Do you have any known dimension to get a scale from ...
... out some point work. Mainly an outside slip with a diamond attatched to it. Could someone point me in the right direction to making this possible... Hopefully the file will be attatched to this post so you can see what i mean. Many thanks Andy Attachment: attach_1337_1813_Herstmonceux.box 318 posted: 29 Jan 2012 20:41 from: Alan McMillan Hi Andy I've run something up for you. An outside slip was never going to work in that tight space, so I took the liberty of replacing it with a single turnout and a double switched diamond slip. I also eased the curve to make it less like it hand been built using Peco Setrack. The start and end points are, however, the same except for the siding that comes off the slip. I haven't done any timber shoving though. Regards Alan Attachment: attach_1340_1813_Herstmonceux.box 324 posted: 29 Jan 2012 21:34 from: Stephen Freeman AndyJ wrote: Hi there... I'm pretty new to Templot and been playing around with it for a while but i'm still struggling with ...
... . I feel this would be more intuitive for novice users and might allow the command set to be rationalised. However, I also know from long personal experience of GIS/CAD development that such a rework of a software product involves a huge investment of effort during which the core functionality rarely moves forward and may even get broken. Therefore I fully understand if Martin ignores such suggestions. If you ever do consider it I'd be happy to provide my thoughts offline. Anyway I have attached a template containing my first attempts at two turnouts for 7mm scale 2' narrow gauge (O -14). The first turnout is based on a drawing of a Robert Hudson 6' 1 in 6 turnout as published by Roy Link in NG&I magazine and also on the O-14 yahoo group. I don't know how to get the tiebar in the correct position on this turnout. The second turnout has been produced from a de-perspectified drawing (using GIMP) of the turnout on the loop at Chelfham on the Lynton& Barnstaple. This appears ...
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