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201. Y Turnout Problems
... topic: 2914 Y Turnout Problems posted: 22 Aug 2016 00:50 from: petedavey Hi all, I am currently attempting to get to grips with templot, I was struggling with creating a Y turnout which Martin kindly did for me. Having got the basics in place it appears I have rather more room for the Y turnouts than I previously realised. I have tried redrawing with more forgiving angles but am completely baffled one the half diamond is inserted as I have no switch blades and only half of the check rails. I have attached the box file which currently incorporated the Y turnout template that Martin created, but as you can see I have room for much more gentle curves, how do I stretch them please? To give a little background to the trackplan, this is the lower part of the first of free modules, the 3 tracks looping off are a mainline and a preservation branchline which go onto a helix to the upper levels, the next board along will be plain line only (at fiddle yard level) and the last ...
... topic: 3710 Turnout road check rail lengths+ tags disappearing posted: 26 Jun 2020 19:06 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin I think I've found a bug or two! Box file attached. Firstly, when extending the check rails near or beyond the ends of the turnout, main road or turnout road, the label for the end of the check rail disappears and there doesn't seem to be a way to get it back other than doing a "reset all". (Unless it still happens to be the one currently being adjusted, of course) Secondly, on the turnout or diamond road, we can't always extend the check rails very far, and this seems to be inconsistent. On the box file, DS2 has been extended as far as it'll go, and the label has been lost. This does only seem to affect the turnout or diamond side, I've extended main side check rails for miles to get check-railed plain track (and blanked of the turnout itself!) The specific example where I discovered this was ...
203. Gn15 curved turnouts
... topic: 592 Gn15 curved turnouts posted: 21 Oct 2008 02:54 from: marc witten Hi I am after a bit of info, for use on a layout, basically I'm doing a Pizza layout, and I require three Curved turnouts, these will be for Gn15 scale,16.5mm track, the Mainline of the Turnout is 14", whilst the Turnout is a 7" radius. How do I relate this using Templot, or is there a tutorial, that will help? many thanks in advance regards Marc Witten posted: 27 Oct 2008 15:47 from: Martin Wynne marc witten wrote: I am after a bit of info, for use on a layout, basically I'm doing a Pizza layout, and I require three Curved turnouts, these will be for Gn15 scale,16.5mm track, the Mainline of the Turnout is 14", whilst the Turnout is a 7" radius. How do I relate this using Templot, or is there a tutorial, that will help? Hi Marc, There is a video showing how ...
... of the formations you choose. If you started by just building the Ks- or even looking at them in Templot (and you would have to create them with Partial Templates), you will see that there is a frightening long gap in the rails- even in P4. Regards, H posted: 11 Oct 2010 23:20 from: John Preston Hi Richard, Have taken a second look at your latest .box file and see potential problems with upper right hand area ladder track. I have taken the time to insert turnouts where there were none. The first turnout to the ladder I have named "Ladder lead", the inserted turnouts are "ladder turnout #1, 2& 3". See the attached .box file. I notice the minimum radius on Ladder turnout #1 is a barely acceptable 47.2 inches. The minimum radius on the other two are 33.3 and 26 inches respectively. I believe that some reworking of the plan may be useful. Additionally, I have changed the radius on the inner crossover line to 60 inches. ...
205. Servos for Turnouts
... topic: 978 Servos for Turnouts posted: 22 Nov 2009 15:17 from: Stephen Freeman I am now convinced of the advantages of using servos to operate turnouts (and signals for that matter) and have attached one to an 00 turnout, this is fastened by means of a nut and bolt to a piece of pcb, which in turn is soldered to the underneath of a pcb timber, which in turn is soldered to the rail via brass rivets. I have removed the first timber for clarity. Picture attached. 142_221037_590000000.jpg There are also a couple of short Youtube videos on my website if anybody would like to take a look. It's my first foray into the world of Youtube videos etc and I'm still coming to terms with the various programs I have on my PC (Windows Movie Maker is easy but quality in my opinion leaves something to be desired, so I haven't used it). Gone a bit OT there. posted: 24 Nov 2009 23:23 from: Martin Lloyd There is a system on the market. It's ...
... starting to build a small layout in P4 of Ciliau Aeron just before and maybe after nationalisation. It was classed as a light railway and was home to a small fleet of 74xx Panniers and 14/48xx and autocoach's. There was a combination of Flatbottom and Bullhead since the line was built. However at some point between 48-51 the line through my halt was re-laid with BH. However the line was not re-laid throughout, as the platform road in Aberayron still had both FB and BH including FB turnouts until closure in '65. A few questions: The 1911 board of trade inspection stated the following FB rail 75lb/yd on 9'x10"x5" sleepers, with BH of 80 1/2lb/yd on 9'x9"x4.5" sleepers on curves to GWR standard. Would these sleeper sizes have been maintained until the 50's? At the halt i'm modelling the line was FB through the platform (until 48-51) but there are no photos of the goods loop to the East of the platform until the early 50's ...
... topic: 3649 regular or curviform? posted: 20 Apr 2020 07:21 from: Martin Wynne For the umpteenth time over the years, I have just posted a reply on RMweb explaining the difference between regular and curviform V-crossings, and how the latter can make more space in a cramped yard. It may as well be copied here: I fear there is insufficient room in the yard for a loading gauge or a crane Both of your turnouts need to be changed to curviform type V-crossings. This will improve the line of the curves and make more space. You might find that you could then use shorter turnouts. To change the type of V-crossing, click the green R indicator so that it changes to C: 2_200116_490000000.png You can see that in a regular V-crossing the part of the turnout marked in yellow is curving in the same direction as the main road. Changing to curviform causes that part of the turnout to curve away from the main road, creating more space between the tracks if the tracks ...
208. Video + audio
... of all kinds tend to be littered with 'music', and either it is really 'cheesy' muzak which is inane and just about ignorable but not enjoyable, or it is 'good' music of a specific genre (classical, rock, jazz, etc) that some will love and others will hate. I found it extremely distracting in the trial video! The main thing that I find lacking in the silent videos is an overview of the sequence to be followed- it took me three viewings of the 3-way tandem turnout sequence to get clear in my own mind how the different operations were related/ grouped, and then further viewings to identify the subtleties. So I suggest a (spoken) brief introduction followed by occasional comments as to what has been completed/ what is about to be done, and pointing out the less obvious (= less used?) menu commands. I agree with Peter that silent videos are much more useful than the written tutorials. Keep 'em coming! Andy posted: 27 Nov 2007 18:00 from: ...
... topic: 288 Double Slips and Switch-Diamonds posted: 20 Dec 2007 02:24 from: Gordon S Hi Martin and fellow Templotters, still making good progress and finally cracked how to draw a double slip. Simple question however. When converting a turnout from say a B7 to a half diamond the various gaps and check rails all seem in place at the centre of the crossing. When I select a C10 turnout though and convert to a diamond crossing, the rails at the centre of the crossing are all together and no gaps exist. (Apologies for not knowing the technical terms for the various component parts of a crossing). Does this mean you cannot build a conventional double slip using a 1:10 crossing? Do you have to generate a completely different form of double slip? Last edited on 20 Dec 2007 02:25 by Gordon S posted: 20 Dec 2007 02:39 from: Paul Boyd Ah-ha- I had this the other day! The fix is very simple. From the menus, it is ...
... topic: 1577 NER pre 1908 interlaced turnouts posted: 27 Jul 2011 20:37 from: Richard Spratt During a moment of uncontainable enthusiasm I managed to volunteer myself to help with the Skinningrove Zig Zags project. The Cleveland MRC and friends are going to build a P4 model of the Skinningrove area for the Cleveland Ironstone Mining Museum at Skinningrove. Easy I thought, I'll knock the trackplan out in a couple of evenings using the maps they've got. Then I hit a small problem. They want it with the correct sleepers and rail lengths for pre 1908 NER track work. Plus half way along the ownership changed from NER to the mine company. What track design would the mine have used? This is my first attempt of a NER 12' 1:7: 68_271523_280000000.png As I understand it, the main difference pre 1908 is that all sleeper spacings were about 3', which meant that the standard straight cut loose heel lengths were 9', 12'& 15' There are several things that need correcting, most of which I don't ...
... topic: 2763 Tandem turnout and locking switches posted: 24 Oct 2015 22:32 from: Jubilee42 Hello Templotters! I have got so confident with my turnouts, that I've decided to draw the tandem turnout I need. I have noted that Martin warns beginners like me to try something simpler, but it all seemed to be going so well to start with! By following the video I have managed to get the two separate turnouts drawn and to put them on top of each other: 3033_241711_160000000.png I have also drawn the third turnout which makes the extra vee (where the notch is here) and placed it where I want it according to the video: 3033_241714_340000000.png It is shown here as the control. The next phase it to lengthen and turn it a bit so it lies on the underlying rails. To this end I am supposed to allow any sort of vee to be created, which I've done, and to lock the switch, which is not an option I can choose: 3033_241723_490000000.png What have I missed? I'm not at all sure ...
212. New user
... would significantly degrade the functionality. And I'm led to believe some users do actually like Templot the way it is. regards, Martin. posted: 19 Jan 2011 21:23 from: Phil O Hi Nicholas I have to concur with all of the above. It is difficult to get your head around it at first but persevere with the tutorials and suddenly it will click. I have been persevering for about 7 years now and I can draw up a basic layout with one or two partial templates as for slips and tandem turnouts by referring back to the relevant video's I'm not yet up to doing irregular diamonds etc, but hopefully we will get them in the next upgrade. It is also helpful to know the basic permanent way vocabulary otherwise you may have problem understanding what is being asked of you. Cheers Phil posted: 19 Jan 2011 23:04 from: Mike Huxley Nicholas, There's an old saying that holds very true when using Templot for the first few times" Don't run before you can walk". I've been using Templot for just ...
... topic: 3004 // Greetings from Greece// posted: 4 Apr 2017 18:08 from: Panos Tsirigotis Hello I am a new member in templot club and want to introduce myself. I am Panos from Greece and I am an N scale railway modeller. I am currently modelling a prototype railway station in Greece and I op to handlay track. Although prototype track plans does not include curved turnouts (it was once the greek railway practise to use straight turnouts in yards and stations due to low contruction cost, and straight turnouts were pre assempled and set in place just like the RTR turnouts), I definately want the software's assistance on custom diamond crossings and easyments in curves. I attach a drawing of my track plan that is based on the prototype. I draw this track plan using Adobe illustrator I have a lot of queries regarding drawing in Templot. Truth is that begun to draw the plan but get stuck during the process. Hope that through the assistance of club members I complete my plan and start lay down trackwork. P.S ...
... You can lengthen it using F4 but don't extend it beyond the peg or the curving (if present) will be wrong. 7. Click 'real- timbering- no timbering'. You now have two rails, so select which side the conductor rail should be. 1876_280619_080000000.png 8. Click Do-omit rails and joint marks- choose either TS or MS- I chose TS. 1876_280625_500000000.png null 9. Click Main-Store and Background Remember that conductor rails swap sides of the track to avoid wear on the pickup shoes or turnouts and sometimes are missing altogether over e.g. level crossings and metal underbridges or where two electrical sections meet and are then connected by cable. Where the conductor rail swaps from one side to the other, there is a length of overlap, the Russ Elliott page gives this as 12 timber bays for Southern Electric. To achieve this overlap: 10. Select a length of plain track where the overlap is to occur and create the pair of conductor rails from that template as above- or- take an existing length of conductor ...
... topic: 3746 Motorizing those pesky points. posted: 20 Aug 2020 04:45 from: Andrew Barrowman I don't know about you but I'm genetically programmed to spend as little as possible on anything, model railways included, and particularly anything to do with setting the direction of points (turnouts if you prefer). My target is to keep it down to less than $3.00 (call it 2.00 GBP) for each point. That pretty much rules out just about every commercially available option. Sure, servos are cheap, but you can spend lots of money on fancy electronic servo controllers that don't even work all that well and end up spending far more than that. Absent a freely available supply of ex Post Office relays (as previously used by Martin) an alternative is the cheap and cheerful SG90 radio-control servo. Considering how good they are they are incredibly inexpensive. (But they do have a couple of issues which this does address.) If you are happy to accept that all your point servos rotate their horns through something like ...
... topic: 3834 S4 discussion about ready to use P4 turnouts posted: 9 Dec 2020 17:34 from: DerekStuart I'm puzzled. Why are people on the S4 forum trying to promote the manufacture of ready to lay P4 turnouts? Aside from the technical challenges of tolerence, outlined by Martin, there's still the re-wheeling (often requiring chassis modifications, especially for steam). Someone has got to ** WANT** to go to P4 and not just see it as one of many options. But the biggest killer to this point is prototype accuracy. When the World's railways restrict their tracks to 'short, medium and long' turnouts, in both straight and curved, then fair enough. Until then, a limited use of pre-set turnouts geometry will look little different to a wider version of 00 set track. The irony is that the USA might be the only place where a limited choice of turnouts would work and that is gauged with H0 any way. Moan over. Derek posted: 9 Dec 2020 20:31 ...
... topic: 1102 Turnout information sheet posted: 11 Apr 2010 16:15 from: Hayfield Sorry for being so thick but could someone please explain the difference between the geometrical radius, the switch radius and the turnout radius (which happens to be the minimum radius?), I thought the geometrical radius was the raduis the turnout would fit into, am i right, thanks in advance posted: 11 Apr 2010 16:49 from: Martin Wynne Hayfield wrote: could someone please explain the difference between the geometrical radius, the switch radius and the turnout radius (which happens to be the minimum radius?), I thought the geometrical radius was the radius the turnout would fit into, am I right, thanks in advance Hi John, The switch radius (yellow) and the turnout radius (green) are the actual radius in different parts of the rails: semcu_sw.gif You are right, the external geometrical radius is also known as the substitution radius, and is the radius of a continuous curve the entire turnout road could be fitted into. ...
... topic: 384 Curved turnout geometry in Templot posted: 24 Mar 2008 21:11 from: Templot User When a turnout is placed on a curved alignment where is the neutral axis? i.e. the line along which there is neither stretching or compression of the turnout detail. Is it the centre line of the reference alignment? posted: 24 Mar 2008 21:30 from: Martin Wynne Templot User wrote: When a turnout is placed on a curved alignment where is the neutral axis? i.e. the line along which there is neither stretching or compression of the turnout detail. Is it the centre line of the reference alignment? If you are not a professional permanent-way engineer you may want to skip this. The traditional steam-era way to lay out a turnout on a curve is to start with a straight turnout and maintain the lead length constant along whichever is the flatter of the two closure rails. This establishes the relative positions of the switch and the V-crossing, and the remaining rails can then be added to match ...
... or as close to what I'm aiming for as possible? Many thanks, in anticipation of someone saving my sanity! Regards, Dave Yates Attachment: attach_1417_1901_Staircliffe_Excha nge_Sidings_v14_05-04-12_Dev) .box 414 posted: 6 Apr 2012 00:41 from: Tony W Hi David. Not an easy one to solve as you are trying to combine a constant radius curve one side of the diamond with a transition curve on the other, however I think this may work, but the timbering will need tidying up and the top right turnout may have to be moved slightly to allow the timbering to line up better. I will have another look at it tomorrow. Tony. Attachment: attach_1418_1901_staircliffe_junct ion_2012_04_06_0034_37.box 375 posted: 6 Apr 2012 02:11 from: Martin Wynne Hi Tony, Dave, Using a transition seems a bit of an overkill. If the turnouts are snaked a mm or two, fixed curves will fit. If the turnout toe positions are critical, the leads can be adjusted by changing the crossing entry straights (SHIFT+ F11). File ...
... topic: 1159 3 way interlaced turnout posted: 4 Jul 2010 16:57 from: Hayfield I thought some of you might be interested in this turnout982_041151_430000000.jpg I think the termanology for the type is interlaced. 982_041154_180000000.jpg Its an old RTR turnout I think the sleepers are Paxoline and brass shin has been wrapped around the sleepers under the rails. 982_041156_350000000.jpg Please has anyone any information about the makers Attachment: attach_817_1159_Picture_772.jpg 513 posted: 4 Jul 2010 17:17 from: Martin Wynne Hayfield wrote: Please has anyone any information about the makers Hi John, That takes me back. It is either Welkut or Gem, the former I think. It's not Wrenn as they used a tubular rivet type of fixing. It's easy to see the impact Peco Streamline made when first introduced around 1960. Thanks for the pictures. regards, Martin. posted: 4 Jul 2010 17:24 from: Hayfield Martin That was quick. I have a GEM turnout (though it may well be a later version) which has plastic sleepers and a cast frog (that was ...
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