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181. Stub turnouts
... half way round the world- here 2) Where the closure rails are retained as normal and the normal switch rail operation is reversed- the switch rails pivot at the toe end of the turnout and line up at the other end with the closure rails for each road. An example of a 3 way version of this type- here- presumably the turnout lever in the picture would have a detent of some type for setting the middle road? -- -- Anybody done any research into these, built any or have ... movement of a beam attached to the tie bar. I'm intending to use two servos on the new layout. 105_140413_250000000.jpg Incidentally, does the Ffestiniog 3-way still exist? I know it was moved to Minffordd, then I think moved again to one of the yards, but I'm not sure if it's still around. I hope so as it's one of the iconic parts of the railway's history, but "iconic" doesn't always count for much. Cheers, Paul Last edited on 14 Aug 2020 09:24 by Paul ...
... wrote: I have not ticked the MS and TS options. Hi Gordon, Tick them. Then modify the group again. You are telling Templot which side(s) of the template you want the edge(s) showing. MS means "Main-road Side". TS means "Turnout-road Side". For example on double track, you would want it on one side of the template. On single track you want it on both sides. If you wish you can set up each template individually ... You can use colours and tags at the same time if it makes things clearer. Info about tagging here: topic 2098 So instead of grouping for saving or deleting all the green templates, say, you would group all the templates tagged [mpd] or [yard] or whatever. You can immediately see the relevant templates in the storage box, sort them into alphabetical order, and search for templates with a given tag using the box> find template... or the box> find and group functions on the ...
... to use their older designs. There is no "normal" crossing angle, everything depends on the site, the traffic, and the line speed. If there is any curving it always means a longer crossing to avoid a severe speed restriction over the diverging turnout road. 1:10 is fine for a station throat or branch terminus area, but maybe a bit short for a running loop or crossover out in the country. On the other hand 1:16 seems generous, unless the turnouts are on a curve. ... the 1936 map: 2_171126_010000000.png I have matched the switch toes as best I can. These are old-type GWR loose-heel switches, 15ft and 16ft. The crossover looks to be 1:10.5 (generic V-crossings). The turnouts into the yard look to be 1:9 and 1:10. So your 1:10 turnouts are fine, but bear in mind that nothing would have been running over these turnouts at 50mph. cheers, Martin. posted: 18 Aug 2020 10:29 from ...
184. Y Turnouts
... delete the old Y-turnout tutorials because it is now much better to start from an irregular half-diamond when improvising. It's also not too difficult to create a proper symmetrical turnout using partial templates. Essentially it is a 3-throw turnout with the middle road removed. You don't need a #3 Y because that will have a very tight radius (and to match two #6 RAM it should actually be #2.92 RAM). Use a longer V-crossing angle with curviform type crossing to give #2.92 ... 28 Jul 2012 19:32 from: Nigel Brown Hi Mark Haven't come across the Timesaver before. I quite like your straight turnout version. You say it doesn't follow prototype practice, but I could quite imagine this sort of thing turning up in a local freight yard or dockside situation. Cheers Nigel posted: 29 Jul 2012 06:12 from: Mark C Martin, I went through the 2008 revision to the 2001 "Improvisation" tutorial on Symmetrical& Turnouts and thought I did quite well. I even think I understand ...
185. Y Turnout Problems
... Y-turnout would need to be a wide-gauge style of catch points to protect the outer lines, and c) that makes the interlocking and signalling more complicated than needed. Much more likely on the prototype would be something like this: 2_220950_230000000.png The middle road continues to a short spur, which is a useful place to park an odd wagon or brake van. A tandem turnout then provides two conventional crossovers to the outer roads, and the turnouts are conveniently staggered. However, to return to your design, a ... to the trackplan, this is the lower part of the first of free modules, the 3 tracks looping off are a mainline and a preservation branchline which go onto a helix to the upper levels, the next board along will be plain line only (at fiddle yard level) and the last board will be a mirror image of this one. If anyone can spot any potential improvements any advice would be greatly received as I am currently on a very steep learning curve. The trackplan so far is all non scenic. Kind ...
... which is a little less. The diamond 80& 93 is actually a double slip. I have started a discussion about the signalling on Rmweb. It also includes a list of the train movements which will help understanding the layout. Track 20 is one of 4 roads through a new stone loading facility. Track 9 is the current stone loading building. Attachment: attach_945_1293_new_awrhyllgwami_1 0_11_20_2016_35.box 302 posted: 22 Nov 2010 19:51 from: Richard Spratt The background shapes for the baseboards. The current boards are from 12' to 20 ... Mk2 posted: 22 Nov 2010 19:46 from: Richard Spratt I have finally, well until told otherwise, completed the track design for the Awrhyllgwami Quarry extension. AQ was originally built for the DEMU challenge. It is 8'x2' with 4' long fiddle yards at each end. Unfortunately it really needs 3 people at any one time to operate what is a small layout. We have decided to make it into a roundy roundy and hope to have it finished for Scalefour North 2012. Before committing rail to sleeper I ...
187. Curved points
... curved point and the other as a straight point with the branch track radius the same as the entry track's curve. Hi Paul, That's not necessarily the best solution. The geometry is much simpler and quicker if you apply contraflexure to a turnout and leave the main road in the ruling curve. Simply start with one of the turnouts leading to the inside of the main curve, and then click template> invert handing menu item or press CTRL+ X. Then F9 mouse action to slide it into position. Because of the ... the radii will be eased, and you will probably find that you can shorten the turnout to a smaller size (F5) without infringing your minimum radius, and so perhaps fit in an extra fiddle yard track. If you really do want the main road of the turnout to run straight off to the outside of the ruling curve, you need to adjust the substitution radius (external geometrical radius) for the turnout. There is a video showing how to do that for exactly the situation you describe, at: http: ...
188. Rhyl ( east throat )
... : 1184 Rhyl( east throat) posted: 31 Jul 2010 17:30 from: geoff My first effort. The subject is Rhyl. the station throat in front of No 1 box. The "viewable" area is bounded on the west by the Vale Road bridge and on the east by the carriage shed( part of). All else is fiddle yard. Trains "vanish" behind the carriage shed. The shed was in reality over 500ft long but only a fraction will poke out through the backdrop. This ... an exercise in "reverse-engineering" to discover the sizes etc of turnouts. undefined The plan is drawn in "S4-exact" but the model would be in EM. The pointwork leading to the carriage shed is a challenge because the point formations are jammed close on each other and offer little scope for compression. And lots of timbering challenges. Feel free to comment. Geoff Luckhurst Attachment: attach_841_1184_Rhyl_OS1250_5.box 195 posted: 1 Aug 2010 12:28 from: Paul Boyd Hi Geoff. That's an impressive plan, but ...
189. Timber shoving
... from: Martin Wynne Tony W wrote: The LNER did seem to be rather parsimonious with long timbers Hi Tony, It's important to notice that the commonly-referenced crossover timbering in the NERA reprints of the LNER 1926 standards are specifically marked "SHORT Timbering For Crossover Roads". It's clear that those reprints are incomplete, and this "Short" titling suggests that there were also some other "Long" or "Standard" timbering diagrams, and that these "Short" diagrams were probably intended for economy in yards or low ... speed locations. I suspect that in many cases the LNER used just as many long timber as say shown by David Smith in his GWR book, but that the LNER just didn't like paying for them. Those LNER "Short" diagrams look just too flimsy to me for heavy-traffic locations and high-speed junctions -- there has to be a reason that other companies used more long timbers. regards, Martin. posted: 1 Mar 2017 17:32 from: Tony W Hi Martin. I would certainly agree ...
... somewhere that states what the speed limits through various turnouts would be. When I find it I will post the figures. The difference between a B-6 and B-7 would be negligible. Bear in mind of course that the speed limit through the straight road of even a B-6 could be quite high, but through the crossover road it could be as low as 5 MPH and certainly no more than 10 MPH. Regards Tony. posted: 31 Oct 2014 03:00 from: DerekStuart Thanks Tony. ... showed me a list that was for FB- he wasn't sure if BH should be the same, greater or lower. The general consensus seems to be B8 minimum on passenger lines (C8 preferred if room), B7 or B6 on yard spurs and for station throats where speed limits are down to 15mph. Some of the photos I have of Whitby shed show some very tight turnouts A's. BTW my understanding of all this has greatly improved since you helped me with the tandem design- so again, my thanks for your ...
191. 3D view?
... line before running forward again (i.e. the train then runs into the main platform). The 3PI "track objects" needed to make this train running possible are hidden and superimposed on the imported tracks from Templot. Turnouts from Templot can be trailed through either road (i.e. working as spring points), but in the facing direction you can take only the main road. You will need to do some "crane shunting" (in the 2D view) to overcome this. p.s. In order to use the ... , can be customized in Templot. The Santa Fe train is now arriving. It's not generally known that the GWR experimented with colour-light signalling on the Clee line! A 2-6 -4 locomotive (tender not supplied) is shunting in the goods yard behind the water tower. Caution! If you download the file and run the trains, those are spring points at the entry to the bay platform. You must reverse all the way out onto the main line before running forward again (i.e. the train ...
... 2012 23:54 from: julia I am noticing that my new laptop doesn't appear to have an insert button on they keyboard, is there an alternative key combination? The turnout in question is for a yard, it is the turnout that feeds into a 3 road engine shed. In terms of what the final turnout looks like, I am open to the possibility that a 3 way tandem may be what I think I want. one track going straight through, one going right (radius 700mm), one going left ... the template> swap hand menu item. 5. press the INSERT key. 6. press the HOME key. However, have you actually tried building such a thing? It's very tricky to get the coincident switches working properly -- such turnouts are confined to yards and sidings on the prototype. Far more common are 3-way tandem turnouts, with staggered switches, as in the video. regards, Martin. posted: 21 Oct 2012 23:54 from: julia I am noticing that my new laptop doesn't appear ...
... to create a Templot version for later inclusion into a room layout to be designed and built using Templot templates. The yard is in two parts, and the idea is to make a Group of each part for later manipulation. The first board, 12 plain track roads is complete. I have been using curve and swell to match to the image. First attempts did not quite line up correctly so there has been a fair amount of editing of the Templates. I am also reacquainting myself with Notch and Peg, probably making ... posted: 28 Oct 2014 19:41 from: Les G Martin Wynne wrote: Hi Les, Notice that no duplicates are created. What are you doing different? Hi Martin, Thanks for response; I am using a background image of an existing model fiddle yard to create a Templot version for later inclusion into a room layout to be designed and built using Templot templates. The yard is in two parts, and the idea is to make a Group of each part for later manipulation. The first board, 12 plain ...
... being about half way along the branch, it provided limited loco facilities for engine changes- which still survive. The only fixed items at the moment are A and B being entries onto the scenic board, and the fiddle yard storage boards.The spur at the main platform road goes through the back scene for about 8" allowing tender engines room to clear the run round point, which could be moved further to the right to allow longer trains into the platform. Power is DCC (NCE Powerhouse pro 5amp), switchable to DC ... 19 from: CoBo Having ripped up the scenic section of my layout, and following considerable encouragement from other members of the forum, I've now decided to take the plunge into designing and building a new section including hand-built trackwork. As my off scene fiddle yard area (which I'm quite happy with) is made up of Tillig& Peco 00 code 83, I've opted to go 00-SF code 75 bullhead rail soldered on copper clad 1.06mm sleepers for the new scenic section. I will obviously have to create/ ...
195. S curve construction
... : 8 Aug 2013 18:59 from: pointo1d Hi again Martin, I've managed to get what I think is a reasonable representation of the station (see attached box file), but I'm struggling with constructing the single slip at the down end of the platform roads. I've looked and looked at your demo video but can't seem to get the 'convert half diamond to turnout' to construct a decent turnout for the later 'make slip road' operation- the only difference, that I can see, between my attempts and your ... much easier radius. It will also mean that the slip will be 1:7 instead of 1:6. That's a much better size for a slip in running lines -- 1:6 slips have a very sharp radius and are normally found only in yards. 3. Several of your templates are showing slewing zone markers beyond the template boundary, to no effect. To avoid confusion it would be better to cancel slewing on those templates (geometry> slew (nudge)> cancel slew menu item). regards ...
... build a 'switched crossing'? Hi Mike, Did you mean a "switch-diamond"? Here are a couple of images to help explain.These are switch-diamond-crossings (i.e. they have movable K-crossings), but you can add slip roads to make them into slips, just as for fixed K-crossing diamonds. The two sets of moving switch blades at the centre always move together, in opposite directions: switch_diamond_10bh.jpg switch_diamond.jpg Notice that in a flat-bottom switch-diamond (lower photo) ... more templates to a file at any time by clicking the group> save group... menu item. In this way you can save a file containing a single template, or only the templates from a small area of your track plan such as a goods yard. You can load templates from a file at any time by clicking the main> reload/ add from file... menu item. reload means that the new templates will replace those already in the storage box, if any. add means that the ...
197. Length of track
... addition, some of the plain track templates may not be track -- for example a centre-line used as a turntable ring or a platform edge or whatever. Some of the plain track templates may be partial templates within other formations, such as a slip road within a single or double slip. On a large roundy-roundy layout such cumulative errors are hardly likely to be significant, and you would expect to over-order the plain track to cover off-cuts and modifications anyway. On a small shunting plank ... , things might look different. It makes Templot look silly if it says you need 7 yards of plain track, and you end up with 2 yards over. The strange thing is, after being involved in model railways for half a century, I don't remember ever wanting to know the total length of track on a layout in any detail -- otherwise such a function would have been in Templot from the start. It's easy enough to drop a ruler on the full plan printout and come up with an approximate total if ...
198. Background wrapped
... Whats the opinion regarding the goods shed? If I build it straight it will not fit in with the curve. Any ideas are welcome as I think it will jar a bit if I reproduce it as a rectangle. I will have to re-arrange the roads through it and down the side. Any suggestions will be most welcome. trustytrev. Last edited on 17 Aug 2014 21:35 by Trevor Walling Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. ... topic: 2509 Background wrapped posted: 17 Aug 2014 21:34 from: Trevor Walling Hello, I have been making progress with my scheme but am undecided which looks better. Is it the one with the curved yard or does it look ok straight. It seemed a good idea to use the wrap function as it is the only way I can fit what I want in the space available. Would the yard curved at the buffers end look out of place?2110_171622_120000000.png 2110_171623_380000000.png Another thing that occurs when wrapping the image ...
... 8 for the crossover. You seem to have enough space for such sizes, so I had a try. This seems a more flowing design without the abrupt B-6 turnout on the right (your original is below it): 2_180720_590000001.png To create the crossover road I made a branch track on each turnout and then used the make transition function to replace them with a single linking template. The run-round seems very short -- presumably only for goods shunting? To keep it as wide as possible I inserted a ... . I did play about with the turnout to the shed (B5) to create an offset Y. I did a printout full size and managed to get the engine to easily run around 4 Maunsell coaches, which is the longest I can have in the fiddle yard. Thanks for the attachment, I'll have a look when I get to my PC. (Doing this on the iPad). Ray. Last edited on 18 Dec 2012 20:27 by r_wilton Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript ...
... , it is just not worth sending it there. Last week, Martin and I had off list correspondence about laser cutting. He proposed a 'fix' and he will confirm that I suggested this be repeated on his forum 'as other folk were going down the laser road'. What inference do you make from that please Adrian? In truth, I am not that keen on lasering to Templot plans, as I feel it is unnecessary. By all means draw your layout in Templot, but then utilise the standard Timber Tracks ... and the last renewals of track matching the MR details above would probably have been in the 1930s. I understand from your topic on MRF forum that you are modelling the 1960s. Sleepers have a typical life of 25-30 years, so except in the goods yard on your plan it's unlikely (but not impossible) that any such 9ft-sleeper track would remain in the running lines and platforms. You could very reasonably use the 60ft/ 24 sleepers setting in Templot with 8ft-6in sleepers. regards, Martin. ...
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