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... Last edited on 21 Feb 2010 22:13 by Jim Guthrie posted: 22 Feb 2010 08:48 from: wcampbell23 Hi Jim Have you considered using a traverser instead of the loops at the bottom? This would have two advantages: you would get longer storage roads as the turnouts would not be needed and also you could probably get 3 rather than 2 each way. Regards Bill Campbell. posted: 22 Feb 2010 12:32 from: Jim Guthrie wcampbell23 wrote: Hi Jim Have you considered using a traverser instead of ... small box room measuring 10'x9'. The design is based on a small North British Railway urban terminus, in S-Scale. To give maximum running in a small room, the station area is spread around the room in a 'u' shape with the fiddle yard situated outside in the hallway. Of course, the fiddle yard will only be erected for running sessions. The inner two lines are the 'up' and 'down' lines,the third outer most line entering the fiddle yard leads to an imaginery off scene goods ...
42. Is it feasible?
... have the track breaks on a line drawn from the centre of the circles and, to make the other end of your yard work, that line would have to be horizontal on your plan. I don't know if you could accommodate the shorter lengths of the yard roads. If you want longer roads then the line from the centre would have to be at an angle and that would mean that your fiddle yard would have to move at the same angle, and your loco head shunt section would also have to be at the ... topic: 994 Is it feasible? posted: 19 Dec 2009 15:22 from: Raymond The attached file contains a fiddle yard that I am unsure would work, but if it does, would give me greater flexibility and more storage space for wagons. The six tracks slide between the loco storage tracks either side of the turntable and the wagon storage tracks at the top but include the curved portion too. Anyone got any ideas on this, I have little experience in building fiddle yards. Until I get this right ...
... Going from the right you have:- the bay (to platform and cattle dock)- the main line from Axminster coming from the left and going right towards the main platform- a LH turnout to the run-round loop and sidings. The kick back road from the single slip leads to the engine shed (off photo to the left). The sidings can only be accessed by shunting from the single track main line. Although the line was normally worked one engine in steam, I believe there was nothing to ... for catch points (or is it trap point?) for sidings:- what decides whether it should be a single blade, or two? For example at Lyme Regis, the catch point exiting the bay had two blades, whereas the catch point exiting the yard had only one blade.- is there any special fixing, or special type of chair for the short point blade (the one between the tracks)? Typically, this rail is only sitting on about 10 chairs, most of which are slide chairs, ...
... 359 posted: 22 Sep 2010 13:47 from: richard_t Hello Ho-hum might be talking to myself here but... A newer version of my Manchester Windmill Street. As someone kindly pointed out the facing turnout on the up main to the turntable road was a bit silly. It came about due to the mirroring of the orignal plan, where the down "B" route of the real Manchester Central became the up main of Manchester Windmill Street (and me not noticing it). There are (at ... and then onto south wales). I'll ignore the fact that Central was completely relayed with flat-bottom turnouts and the curves eased, as I've been unable to obtain these plans. The main part of the layout will fit in the garage, with the fiddle yards out in the garden. I'll not post the fiddle yards yet, as I'm not really happy with them- they need to slew past three water butts, and one line can "tunnel" through some camellia foliage. The plan attached is from an overlay ...
... get me started on outside slips! Agreed. On the track plan I uploaded the other day, a simple crossover between the up and down main on a 53" radius curve requires a 1:16 crossing on the turnout on the outer line with its crossover road being just over 43" radius. I did try to get a larger inner radius by trying for even higher crossing numbers but Templot seemed to object. If you do go for the curved version of the layout you will have to be prepared for these large ... -tampered" plan, and have come to the conclusion that there wasn't adequate clearance on the real thing! However it has thrown up another dilemma as to whether I should build the layout "to plan" or as my "curved version"- without fiddle yard (or return curves) I would need 23', but then wouldn't be able to run the layout at home.... I shall have to end up with a "compromise" on the track layout in that area which looks as close as ...
... about it, draw in you main line and then" insert turnouts in plain track" adjust the 'V' angle using F5 to suit where you want the branch track to go, which keeps the radius at or above your minimum radius. If one of the roads carries passengers use the larger switch, if not use the smaller switch. If both roads carry passengers I try to use a 1 in 10 crossing if I have the room, but I don't drop below 1 in 8 plus a 'C' switch. For ... blade tip marks in Templot. More about this: topic 2830- message 19866 Otherwise there are some general guidelines, but of course LPTB requirements differ from other standard-gauge railways. Generally: "A" switches are not used in running lines, only in yards, depots, sidings. "B" switches are used for low-speed connections such as trailing crossovers, access to yards, etc. "C" switches are the shortest normally used by in-service passenger trains -- except at very low speeds ...
... , the 1 in 50s would give 200mm roughly. i can reduce that and have gentler gradients. posted: 18 Feb 2020 16:08 from: Phil O I have taken the liberty of altering your terminus as per my earlier proposal and tidied up your platform roads. I think you can also perform a similar exercise in the fiddleyard as each road appears to be on the same radii. A further couple of proposals would be to add a crossover to the headshunt road and the adjacent platform road, unless you propose to ... simpler one. It will be based on BR(S) practice in the 1960s ..ish. I am not a novice and have been building railway models for many years. In the last few years I have built two end-to-end terminus to fiddle yard layouts. Both used templot and the track was built with SMP for plain line and copper clad soldered bullhead pointwork. I am very happy with both and I have learnt a lot, the second layout is much better technically than the first! I am not ...
... you can reverse the other. The drawing shows both drives normal, so either can move as drawn. One big problem with three-throw turnouts is that they often result in the V-crossings being opposite each other and therefore not properly checked for the middle road. regards, Martin. posted: 29 Mar 2012 13:40 from: mike47j OK. Perhaps it's quicker to only draw it roughly and then make it properly. In this photo http://www.disused-stations.org.uk/g /greenwich_park/index1.shtml It ... such a formation? Hi Jim, If the crossings are exactly opposite each other, the short section of wing rail between the knuckle and nose will act as a check rail for the opposite crossing, for slow-moving vehicles. So this formation is acceptable in yards and sidings, but not on a running line (not long enough and no proper check flare). The bigger problem arises where the crossings are not quite opposite, like this: 2_310829_130000000.png Then wheels on the centre road cannot be prevented from hitting the nose ...
... the 6ft dimension: 2_040252_350000000.png 2_040306_490000000.png The above diagram is available full-size in the Image Gallery: gallery/2 /original/2_040252_350000001.gif regards, Martin. posted: 6 Dec 2014 18:32 from: roythebus Tenterden Station only has 6' between the platform road and run-round loop. posted: 1 Mar 2015 09:11 from: D Foster I fear that the assumption is incorrect. There are several issues. 1. The space between tracks is effectively un-productive land- land had to be purchased ... self-interest in this. This reduces the risk of getting in front of any movement. As far as possible any work on rolling stack, whether it is maintenance or loading, is carried out on non-Running Lines. That is- in sidings, yards or depots. The lines through platforms and terminal platforms may or may not be designated as Running Lines- but they are inevitably used for Running Movements- i.e. trains making journeys between towns. This means that platform lines tend to not be the places where ...
... pic linked from RMweb (Banbury in August 1965): 6848_Banbury_8-65_s.jpg The connection into the (loco?) spur in the left foreground is an attractive formation, an offset scissors linked to a tandem turnout. On the right the brake van is on a road which appears to be ramped up and fenced. Is this for gravity shunting of some sort? Many thanks to Robert C on RMweb. regards, Martin. posted: 30 Oct 2007 09:01 from: Jamie92208 Martin Wynne wrote: On the right the ... . Is this for gravity shunting of some sort? Hi, The brake van spur was often ramped and I didn't know why but I have just read a book by Gerard Fiennes which explains it. Brake vans were stored on an incline at the end of the yard so that when a train had been prepared usually with the loco at the far end the brake could then be run down by gravity under the control of the guard's handbrake and put on the back of the train. Without seeing the whole layout it appears that ...
51. Stub turnouts
... ends to avoid this, but these rails can't. posted: 12 Jul 2017 01:21 from: Matt M. Hi Eric, Nigel beat me to the check rail question as I couldn't find my log in password. The cut-off for the diverging roads on Slide Points (Stub Switch in the American parlance), is governed by the the flexure of the switch rails. The curve the switch rail can produce from the fixed end with given length and still line up square to the diverging rails gives you the ... Hello, The 'two-foot' gauge Festiniog Railway has a notable 3-way stub point in bullhead rail. http://www.photobydjnorton.com/FfestiniogRailway.html It was originally part of the passenger run round arrangements at Portmadoc Harbour Station, but has been moved to Minffordd Yard, see http://www.festipedia.org.uk/wiki/Minffordd_Yard this page also gives some history and also illustrates a 4-way stub. Regards, Rodney Hills posted: 12 Jul 2017 10:10 from: Ariels Girdle Out of sheer curiosity, are there ...
... track plan. Before I go too far I want to make sure I am using the programme efficiently. I have made a custom "rail and track" (44'6" with 18 sleepers per length) I have only got as far as making a loco release road road crossover and adjacent siding. Here is how a went about it. I have called the Templates 1 to 5 for the sake of this query. a) Got a plain track template, curved this to 1400 mm and made it 1 panel length. ... that it depends on the price of kippers. There are so many variables -- the crossing angle; the style of turnout timbering; the class of traffic over the diverging routes; the willingness of the company to pay the extra cost of long timbers; for yards and sidings the availability of serviceable used material. However, there are two clear cases -- 1. both vee legs the same length; 2. the splice rail longer or shorter than the point rail, so that the vee joints are staggered. Most ...
53. The Spare Room
... much to do before the design is complete but I thought I'd get members views before progressing. Regards Scott Scott, Having messed about recently with a circular layout, I'm aware of the problems of doing crossovers between concentric tracks- i.e. the radius of the diverging road on the outer track can get quite tight and possibly too tight. Noting that your layout is in S scale (intelligent gentleman) i see that some of your crossover radii are getting a bit tight for S- getting down to about 42" in one ... . To enable me to have as long a running length as possible I have designed the layout to be 'U' shaped. Starting from the bay platform situated along one wall, the track turns through 180 degrees, runs along the other wall and into the fiddle yard which will be situated outside the room in the hallway. The fiddle yard will only be erected for running sessions. The inner two lines are the up and down lines running between the station and the fiddle yard. A double span bridge will hide the entry ...
... complete. Due to it's angel it's not possible for Templot to produce the crossing and, I believe, needs to be built-up using several Templates. Any tips will be greatly received. Thanks, Scott Hi Scott, Are you planning to just have one road on the sector tables? It might be possible to have more than that. Possibly five or even more. Cheers, Andy posted: 21 Aug 2020 09:27 from: ScottW My thought with regards to the two fiddle yards is that the layout would ... have been required due to my intention to build the layout in my garage. If anyone is interested in having a look I would like to hear their comments. 3181_141308_360000000.png There is still some work to do to finish the plan. The 3-way into the yard needs finishing but I have still to lay out one of the sidings before doing so. Over on the left hand end are three curves, the outer is a siding, the middle curve the mainline and the inner curve is actually a loop. I have ...
... minimum radii of not below 2' on the scenic and not below 18" in the hidden fiddle yard, I've managed to create the plan, albeit using an extra 6" of baseboard, with the tightest curve being 28", with only a diverging point road away from the mainline of 26.6". The lower fiddle yard has an extra road yet all but one of the curves are above 30" with some up around 40". Attachment: attach_236_340_CJF_plan_scenic1.1 .gif 359 posted: 19 Feb 2008 19:22 from: ... Templot. I'm quite pleased with the result. Its based on a plan from one of his newer books, (newer as in 1992). Although he advocates minimum radii of not below 2' on the scenic and not below 18" in the hidden fiddle yard, I've managed to create the plan, albeit using an extra 6" of baseboard, with the tightest curve being 28", with only a diverging point road away from the mainline of 26.6". The lower fiddle yard has an extra road yet all ...
... 2010 17:19 from: newport_rod I'd appreciate some criticism of the attached plan for a club P4 layout that we're just starting to build (we've built most of the fiddle yard baseboards). The layout is based on Little Mill Junction, which is between Pontypool Road and Hereford on the North and West line. The branch went to Usk and Monmouth but in 1938 the yard was expanded from 4 roads to 8 at the same time as ROF Glascoed (which was served the branch) was coming into use. The track ... topic: 1249 Little Mill Junction posted: 18 Sep 2010 17:19 from: newport_rod I'd appreciate some criticism of the attached plan for a club P4 layout that we're just starting to build (we've built most of the fiddle yard baseboards). The layout is based on Little Mill Junction, which is between Pontypool Road and Hereford on the North and West line. The branch went to Usk and Monmouth but in 1938 the yard was expanded from 4 roads to 8 at the same time as ROF Glascoed (which was ...
... :16 from: DerekStuart Hello all. I'm sorry but I'm on the scrounge for information again. Can anyone work out what is happening here? What I was expecting to find was a short turnout (A6) with the toe leading onto a diamond. The road above the green arrow and between the blokes bisects the other two (which should be down to one road BEFORE the diamond). The two closest roads must lead through the diamond and from there out onto the main line- I presume that as it has ... is another signal- although I don't have pictures of it, it is there on the diagram and- oddly- it is drawn as a quadrant flag (I believe that's the term)- a helpful chap on RMW showed me a picture of one leaving a yard and it was a low height and he tells me it was not unusual; I am assuming there's a very good reason not to use a ground dolly. Thanks again Derek posted: 31 Aug 2020 01:24 from: DerekStuart Well I never thought it ...
... use TS and MS for TS. Alan posted: 17 Mar 2014 13:27 from: Martin Wynne Adrian (ffoil) wrote: What snap options should I be selecting? Hi Adrian, As Alan suggested, simply swap sides: 2_170818_500000000.png For the first slip road you use TCP on one half-diamond, and MCP on the other one, to snap the slip switches into position. For the second slip road, use MCP and TCP respectively instead. If the double-slip is on a curve, you will ... DS is shown as having too tighter radius, so I need to straighten that out a bit. Is the any easy way of reattaching the other templates to it afterwards (assuming the geometry works out) or am I going to have to rebuild the entire station yard? Adrian posted: 22 Mar 2014 17:58 from: Martin Wynne Adrian (ffoil) wrote: An observation (definitely not a complaint). Whilst the two inside switch rails are shown as tapered, and have the planning lengths shown (as I ...
... a possibility? This might be a wider general solution, with the user specifying the two gauges, and I am sure would be useful to many users in the larger scales. We also have a large 5/7.25" gauge track. By ignoring the straight road the original request would also be met. What do you think? Kind regards to Martin and all Temploters Peter posted: 16 Sep 2019 20:32 from: Martin Wynne PRChappell wrote: I note the comment asking for a mixed gauge template and wonder if ... 1 Oct 2019 11:28 by RedgateModels posted: 1 Oct 2019 11:10 from: RedgateModels Thinking about things how common is this approach of using 1 switch blade and a matching half K for controlling the route? I expect it would only be confined to yards etc as the security of two switches on main running lines is obvious. Seems like a reasonable approach for yards etc though as reducing the moving parts in turnouts would reduce maintenance etc. Certainly going to give my servos an easier time of things LOL posted: ...
... by clicking the TOOLS> MAKE LADDER menu item repeatedly, once for each diamond-crossing. This makes it possible to change the adjacent track spacing for each diamond-crossing (GEOMETRY> ADJACENT TRACK CENTRES... menu item) as necessary. If slip roads are needed, they are added to the diamond-crossings afterwards. There are two types of ladder track: 1. In a REGULAR ladder, the diagonal-road has the same radius as the main-road (or both are straight), and ... road follows the initial curve of the turnout-road (or can in some cases be straight across curved main roads). Curviform ladders are comprised of IRREGULAR diamond-crossings, and are often used to form double-junctions, and to gain access to goods yards, engine sheds and industrial sidings. Slips are less common in curviform ladders because of the usually steeper crossing angles. The type of ladder is determined by the type of V-crossing which is set for the initial control template. To change it, cancel ...
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