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... a passing loop with up and down platforms on it. The view shows the two platforms and a small goods yard to the left. It appears that there was a tandem turn out (ie three way) at the end of the loop- the left hand road served one platform, the right hand one the other platform and the centre road led to the yard on the left of the left hand platform, so it crossed over the left hand road (all rather difficult to describe). Does anyone know of another ... of G.W.R. stations in Devon. One, on Pg 79, illustrates Bickleigh station on the Yelverton branch. This was single line, but Bickleigh had a passing loop with up and down platforms on it. The view shows the two platforms and a small goods yard to the left. It appears that there was a tandem turn out (ie three way) at the end of the loop- the left hand road served one platform, the right hand one the other platform and the centre road led to the yard on ...
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... of interest, why isn't the straight section of the turnout straight? Is it a prototypical issue or fundamental geometry that is fudged with RTR track? Hi Gordon, Prototypically, at least for the common REA bullhead switches, it's not possible to have a dead straight road and a perfectly tangential curved road. If you insert a turnout in the straight track as the main road, the turnout road can't be a tangential curve. If you insert a turnout in the curved track as the main road, the turnout road can't be ... discontinuity in the diverging straight ahead road. The main lines on the left are clearly dead straight at this location, but it's not possible for the track in the foreground to be exactly parallel to them throughout. (This picture also shows a Barry slip in the yard on the right, and catch points in the diamond-crossing giving access to the yard. If the foreground line had been a running line, these catch points would have been much further back beyond the diamond.) padwood582.jpg If faced with this issue, ...
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... :43 by John Palmer posted: 10 May 2014 11:54 from: Martin Wynne Hi Dave, I would echo John's comments. Also, the two inner V-crossings on the right are not properly checked -- the two check rails on the diamond roads need extending, as at the left-hand end of the formation. I agree with John that it would make sense to change the upper slip road to a half-scissors. A double outside slip is a rare formation and in that context it looks ... your original double outside slip: 2129_122108_090000000.png It's in effect an "outside" Barry slip. Since there isn't a 6ft way between the upper and lower roads they can't be used simultaneously and this would complicate the locking significantly. You might see such a thing in a yard as a legacy from some earlier track layout, but this is at the end of the platform and therefore in a passenger line. It looks wrong because it is clearly unnecessary and there is plenty of room to take the lower road clear of the upper one ...
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... topic: 987 Blackwell Road posted: 10 Dec 2009 01:48 from: ClikC I've been working on this for the past few days. Still needs a good tidy up and a session of timber nudging, along with adding the slip roads to the diamond for the yard (Which I've already completed on an older version of the plan). The layout itself is a small parcels depot and TMD based loosely in the location of Blackwell road in Carlisle and primarily serving the Cumbrian Coast Line circa 1974/5. Bottom ... track is just a loop with holding sidings, the track above it exits to the hidden storage. The first point (C10) serves the TMD which features a two road shed, refueling road/ head-shunt and a siding (A7) for a couple of TTA wagons of diesel. I'd like to hear any comments and suggestions regarding tidying up the plan. And while I'm without doubt that the overall plan is highly unrealistic, I'd appreciate input as to anything I can do to increase realism overall. For instance, ...
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... topic: 1081 My first P4 layout (possible name is Bangour Road) posted: 16 Mar 2010 22:56 from: rammstein2609 Hi all, I have had Templot for almost 3 years now but only really took the time to learn how to use it properly back in October. I have to say what a brilliant bit of software it is. I'm addicted to it now. I seem to find myself drawing up all these layout plans which won't ever get built Anyway, I have recently started the switch from OO ... to access the fuel point and wagon/coach repair shed. The single line to the bottom left will be the diesel fuel point. The two single roads to the bottom right will be the double road shed for the repair of wagons and coaches. The fiddle yard will be a traverser built on ball bearing type drawer runners. The main operator of the depot will be DRS but other TOC's will appear. Cheers martin Attachment: attach_767_1081_p4testlayout.box 385 posted: 17 Mar 2010 18:59 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin I've had ...
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... topic: 2460 Station Throat Timbering posted: 16 May 2014 22:20 from: Michael Woolford Since my plan is now finished, other than the turntable and back road, I would like to start work on the timbering. I have looked through a few topics on here to see what I could find out, but I have come to find that it is very much a black art, especially in more complex areas. I am modelling the end of the LMS into Nationalisation and would like some information on their practices ... and now you get both. The change was gradual and varied in pace according to local practice. For much of the post-grouping steam era it would be common to see square-on used for main running lines, with older equalized timbered turnouts predominating in yards, sidings and branch lines. (Except on the GWR, where there is evidence of the exact opposite! Early turnout drawings show a square-on style, but when the flexible switches were introduced in 1930, the drawings show equalized. In many cases ...
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... points that are 70 "+ in radii. The concept looks great and I love anything set in the midlands whatever the time period. I see you've also come across the problem I have got on your double switch. The inner K crossing check rails overlap the slip roads, you can alter the lengths of these. There was a discussion in templot talk somewhere on ideas of how to best step round the issue if you like rather than avoid it. If you can't find it I'll have a look for it. I hope ... not a lot, and one of the docks will be set up to take a Royal Mail stowage van for delivery of bagged mail from the local sorting office. Plan attached and comments will be appreciated. This one has the head shunt ending just before the fiddle yard. There is another version that cheats has it linking into the yard. Operationally, this one will be more challenging. Regards Raymond Attachment: attach_464_613_New_shunting_layout _4k.box 444 Last edited on 19 Jan 2009 16:20 by Raymond posted: 19 Jan 2009 17:15 ...
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... . To change the type of V-crossing, click the green R indicator so that it changes to C: 2_200116_490000000.png You can see that in a regular V-crossing the part of the turnout marked in yellow is curving in the same direction as the main road. Changing to curviform causes that part of the turnout to curve away from the main road, creating more space between the tracks if the tracks are diverging. Changing to a curviform V-crossing also eases the diverging radius, in many cases allowing a shorter ... posted: 20 Apr 2020 07:21 from: Martin Wynne For the umpteenth time over the years, I have just posted a reply on RMweb explaining the difference between regular and curviform V-crossings, and how the latter can make more space in a cramped yard. It may as well be copied here: I fear there is insufficient room in the yard for a loading gauge or a crane Both of your turnouts need to be changed to curviform type V-crossings. This will improve the line of the curves and ...
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... will vary according to the crossing angle. I have realigned the approach curve to match. Take a look at which timbers I have shoved as a guide to what to do. I have only lengthened the turnout timbers without moving any. The sleepers on the exit roads have been shoved/ moved forward/ back to fit into the gaps between the timbers of the adjacent turnouts. I have also altered the turnout timbering of the yard turnout to give you an example of a correct way to do things for your period. Regards ... . Attachment: attach_2470_3046_kelly_shepperton _timbering_revised.box 257 posted: 16 Jul 2017 23:59 from: d827kelly Tony W wrote: Hi Kelly. I have had a look at your first attempt posted earlier. You must not move the timbers supporting the crossings as you have done, only lengthen/ shorten and twist them. Their spacing is predetermined by the crossing angle. This has been stated many times before but people still do it. Trying to timber crossovers correctly can be quite difficult sometimes. It is often easier to adjust the track spacing ...
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... Allowance has been made for a 28xx to be able to bring in a train but not to shunt it. Where there are no timbers, the intention is for cobbles. There is level crossing near the exit from the fiddle yard to protect the mainline from the road access that will enter the yard through a large, gated, brick arch. The firework factory idea has been abandoned since even in 1900 it seems, such a factory in a built up area is unlikely to have been sanctioned. One idea is to have ... topic: 1027 Birmingham freight yard -- more tweaking posted: 28 Jan 2010 23:02 from: Raymond The attached plan is the latest version of my proposed exhibition layout. It would be best to view it with centre lines disabled as I have used single rails to mark out limits and buildings. The arc cut outs are for the operators to reduce stretching when using 3 links. Most of the back scene would be tall 'dark satanic mills'. Allowance has been made for a 28xx to be able to bring ...
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... me, not the tool) and I'd appreciate some input. a) I read that the recommended starting point is to lay plain track and then add turnouts to it and not build the plan from small pieces. However after adding some plain track to the turnout road, I can't now bend the end of it to start the next curve. So should I shorten the straight track to the point of beginning the curve and then add a curved piece or is there a way to curve (or bend) around a midpoint ... 15 Sep 2015 16:26 from: Martin Wynne Hi David, Thanks for the files. I suggest completing the track into the loop before inserting the turnout and siding for the engine shed. Likewise I'm puzzled that you have taken the running line into the goods yard, rather than the platform. It's almost certain that the turnout into the yard is a right-hand turnout, with the main road into the platform. Have a read of the make transition function: http://templot.com/martweb/info_files/ ...
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... This results in a uneven double slip 1:7 -12 (if there is such a thing) templates 12& 15. Both started life as turnouts and looked ok, but don't look so good as half diamonds and haven't tried to draw in the slip roads! Attachment: attach_931_1270_new_awrhyllgwami_f id_10_10_14_2217_49.box 300 Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Trackbuilding topics> D12 slip or D12 scissors in P4 about Templot Club Templot Companion- User ... topic: 1270 D12 slip or D12 scissors in P4 posted: 10 Oct 2010 22:30 from: Richard Spratt The entrance to the extended Awrhyllgwami Quarry fiddle yard requires a D12 scissors on a 48" radius curve as per the trackplan in the simplified box file (none of the extra Vees have been added). An alternative to this is to slide one pair of crossovers along so that the outer pair lie toe to Vee as per the upper plan in the box file. Is there anything inherently better about either ...
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... where there was some discussion about the identity of this location. On RMweb I wrote: The tracks in the foreground have been lifted, and the tracks in the yard are in excellent condition. This suggests a recent renewal to create a yard for sand transfer to road vehicles -- so possibly in connection with a large construction project nearby. Nuclear power station? Dam? The loco in the picture is displaying 8K05 headcode, and a note on E4um today (thanks to Richard Ward) says "K headcode was Ipswich and ... topic: 695 Idea for a small layout -- sand yard posted: 16 Jan 2009 11:42 from: Martin Wynne I spotted this on fotopic and thought it looked very modellable: Link: sand yard picture. (Large image -- scroll both ways). Martin. posted: 25 Jan 2009 18:05 from: Martin Wynne I wrote: I spotted this on fotopic and thought it looked very modellable: Link: sand yard picture. (Large image -- scroll both ways). I posted ...
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... shaped turnouts, even an asymmetrical Y. Hi, Thanks for this- I was obviously using curviform vees to fit tighter curves in a small space, but I thought that doing so was also the way to get Y-shaped turnouts, by making the main road turn the opposite way. (I couldn't remember how to spell contraflexure- nor whether it is even the right term.) It seems I may have not understood something here. I will get back to my studies first thing tomorrow. Tru obtaining a book ... topic: 3551 First Faltering Steps (Asok Yard) posted: 12 Nov 2019 02:08 from: Graeme A week ago I set myself the task of at least making a start at acquiring a working knowledge of Templot. In the interim I have probably spent in total about 3 days solid on it. Selecting topics randomly, I read much of the Templot Companion, then worked my way through the index from start to finish to make sure I had not missed anything, read the posts linked to from the Companion ...
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... left-handed instead of right-handed as at Braintree, with another turnout on the left (into a goods yard), so it's essentially a tandem with the two turnouts both on the left but in the "wrong" order, therefore the second exit road re-crosses the first one. I think the point of the arrangement is that the yard entry is now trailing not facing, so it saves an FPL. I suspect the reason the "make diamond" tool doesn't work is that the diamond is incomplete ... a variation on the GER's infamous, and bizarre, construction at Braintree, but the opposite hand- it's a turnout into a passing loop, but left-handed instead of right-handed as at Braintree, with another turnout on the left (into a goods yard), so it's essentially a tandem with the two turnouts both on the left but in the "wrong" order, therefore the second exit road re-crosses the first one. I think the point of the arrangement is that the yard entry is now ...
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... a couple of years. I have been going through my various resources on early track and can only find one reference to fixing using lead. That was on a horse tramway many years earlier. The following I paraphrase from Nicholas Wood's "A practical Treatise on Rail Roads....' which was first published in 1825..... After going through the issues of placing the stone sleeper on a well compacted base, (and on the Liverpool to Manchester line there were 3,520 stones a mile) ... in it. The Barlow rail used by the Sydney Railway Company was still in use in the 1890's in some sidings where it had been set in the mid 1850's. Requirements for sidings are not the same as main lines. The 72 and a half pound per yard steel rails that were used by the NSWGR for main line work in the 1880's are still in use. Including being used for the Perisher Ski Tube Rack Railway opened in 1988. But I doubt that the track being used in the photo is anything other than ...
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... . On the left I moved the main line crossover round into the curves to avoid a double reverse curve and increase the clear length in the platform. This has created a nice tandem turnout for the short siding. On the right you had a sharp facing slip road in the running line, which didn't look good. I have replaced it with a half-scissors arrangement on that side. This will mean moving the signal box a little. The trailing slip road is ok in that position. Both slips are based on ... unfinished as I understand this area is still undecided. The .box file is attached below. Note that no timber shoving has been done. Over to you for that. p.s. I see that I have forgotten to adjust the K-crossing check rails on the yard double slip. Over to you to do that. regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_2302_2884_knuckles_knapford _unshoved_1.box 302 posted: 9 Jun 2016 21:45 from: Gavin Rose Many many thanks Martin. I won't say too much here as I already said a lot on ...
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... rose cuttings) Attachment: attach_3173_3811_scratch_for_fan_o ut_2020_11_07_1020_56.box 14 posted: 8 Nov 2020 13:43 from: Martin Wynne Hi Richard, There's quite a lot to think about for a fan of sidings. The first is storage capacity. Do you want roughly equal length in all roads? That means laying out the turnouts in a tree configuration with each road splitting into two. Or with one much longer road but each additional road getting progressively shorter? That means laying out the turnouts in a string along the inner or outer road. If ... As mentioned previously, now the nights are drawing in I'm back to Templot, after a break of 9 months or so. I thought I would ask: what's the easiest way of producing a fan of sidings? Below is part of the plan for the fiddle yard, and I'll like to connect the sidings to the turnout already shown. The two shape lines are the extent of the space available, and the running line (top), is fixed in its radius and transition settings (this is just part of a ...
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... -F6 snake through peg and then I get stuck. Deciding where to slide to just becomes confusion. Hi Trevor, Tandem turnouts are not simple. They can be straight or curved. They can be double-sided (opposite hands), where the middle road is the main road for both switches. Or single-sided (both the same hand), where an outer road is the main road for both switches. Or they can be type 2 tandems (less common) where the second switch is in the ... wing rails to fit. This usually the simplest solution in practice. It is usually possible to shorten the length, or the flare length, or both, of check and wing rails without affecting the working performance too much, especially in low-speed locations in yards and sidings. You can also change from the usual bullhead bent flared ends to machined flares on straight rail. This is less common prototypically because it means making a special rail which can't be easily repaired or replaced on site by the p.w. gang. Here ...
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... posted: 26 Jul 2014 14:01 from: Martin Wynne Hi Michael, Here is the dummy vehicle tool being used on that tight spot. I made a dummy vehicle copy on the outer track, and here the dummy vehicle is being rolled along the turnout road on the inner turnout: 2_260808_320000001.png At A above I have attached the spacing-ring to the dummy vehicle. You can see that it is infringing the opposite rail, indicating that the track spacing is too close. Rolling the dummy vehicle with the spacing- ... lead of these and was surprised to find they were D-9s, so I don't think you need to worry too much on that score. C and D are the shortest switches would be used on a main line and B switches would be reserved for goods yards and loco sheds. Regards Tony W. posted: 2 Sep 2014 22:27 from: Michael Woolford Tony, Thanks for clearing that up, I will probably change the crossovers on the straight section then. Not too much work, just means I'll have ...
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