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... the curve. I can see that the turnout is positioned with its Deflection Point (DP) being aligned to the intersection of the straights' centre lines and that by making the turnout Generic, there is no entry straight into the V-crossing but the exit road would be the same curvature as the main road ie, straight. Hence I would expect that the curve would start at the tangential point to the FP- but no, it appears to be at the TEXITP. I assume then that the other end of ... 14 from: Martin Wynne For years I've intended to provide a quicker way to link between two existing templates. For some situations a full transition curve isn't needed, and a plain tangential boundary between two curves or a curve and straight is acceptable. For example within yards and depots. I've finally got round to doing something about it -- prompted by Richard's recent request for such an option in a loco shed. It will be in the next program update. I've made a quick scruffy video: http://flashbackconnect.com ...
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... From what knowledge I have, I presume that there would be a bracket signal at the end of the platform. I presume this would have two main starter arms, one for each platform but would these give a route indication or would this be determined by the road that the signaler pulls off? In addition to this would each road require a subsidiary signal for shunting or would the main arm just be given? Moving down the line, on the main line there could be a section signal towards the end of the scenic ... ? As for arriving at the terminus, I presume there would be a home bracket signal outside the main point. I am unsure what arms and indication this would require as you can effectively access the loop, platform 1, bay platform and yard from the main line. Again, I presume there would need to be a subsidiary arm or ground signal for shunting or when the platforms are occupied? I don't think the branch at the top requires any signalling as it is not on the scenic part of the layout for long ...
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... to see square-on used for main running lines, with older equalized timbered turnouts predominating in yards, sidings and branch lines. There are several factors at work here. The main reasons for using a square-on timbering style are: 1. The main road is "stronger" in the sense that it is held to gauge with timbers at right-angles to the rails. This is always desirable for robust track. If timbers are skewed to the rails there is a much greater risk of gauge-spread, ... and now you get both. The change was gradual and varied in pace according to local practice. For much of the post-grouping steam era it would be common to see square-on used for main running lines, with older equalized timbered turnouts predominating in yards, sidings and branch lines. There are several factors at work here. The main reasons for using a square-on timbering style are: 1. The main road is "stronger" in the sense that it is held to gauge with timbers at right ...
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... the drawings show equalized. In many cases it seems simply that the preference of the local relaying inspector was the deciding issue.) There are several factors at work here. The main reasons for using a square-on timbering style are: 1. The main road is "stronger" in the sense that it is held to gauge with timbers at right-angles to the rails. This is always desirable for robust track. If timbers are skewed to the rails there is a much greater risk of gauge-spread, ... and now you get both. The change was gradual and varied in pace according to local practice. For much of the post-grouping steam era it would be common to see square-on used for main running lines, with older equalized timbered turnouts predominating in yards, sidings and branch lines. (Except on the GWR, where there is evidence of the exact opposite! Early turnout drawings show a square-on style, but when the flexible switches were introduced in 1930, the drawings show equalized. In many cases ...
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... can be eased for a flexible switch by leaving the blade free to flex for a longer length than the prototype. *Where a switch occurs in a roadway the switch opening is sometimes reduced to 3" (still more than the flangeway) for the safety of road traffic and pedestrians, and additional drive connections may be needed to maintain the 2" clearance. regards, Martin. posted: 15 Nov 2007 18:57 from: rodney_hills Bruce, 0.68mm at 1:76.2 represents about 51.8mm full-size, ie 2.04 ... in crossovers. For the curved/curviform type of V-crossing, the turnout-road side is curved to a different radius from the main-road side, matching and continuing the actual turnout radius. Use this type of crossing where there is contraflexure in yards and sidings, and sometimes in curved double junctions. regards, Martin. posted: 17 Nov 2007 02:28 from: Keith Norgrove Martin Wynne wrote: I'm so weary of arguing this case time and again over the years that it makes me bad- ...
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... I also agree, that the modellers version does look much more cleaner and tidier, and is much better on the eye, than a prototype version. Also it does offer, to the modeller, a much more stable setup, since it totally securely ties all roads together at the crossing centre. As I said in my message, it is Peters choice which type he adopts. It would be of interest to know what railway company and period Peter is trying to model. Bye the way Martin, have you changed the ... be best to construct them in situ or use my old method? 3. In the past, I have used cork underlay under the track. Is there a better underlay available? I have just completed the terminus station design. When I have finalised the goods yard and station approach I shall post the layout of this area. I would like to hear any suggestions before building. I always appreciate questions and comments because I learn from them and it helps me avoid making mistakes. Very best wishes, Peter posted: 27 ...
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... am planning on building a 3-way to save space and minimize the radius squeeze.. I know these are not technical terms but is it a 3 way or mor like 2 curved points very close together? I have taken the largest radius as the longest road and the middle as the next and the inside as the shortest is this the best way to achive this I will try uploading a pic later from home.. Regards Tom posted: 9 Aug 2007 18:30 from: Paul Boyd Hi Tom Any tandem ... topic: 123 Curved 3-way turnouts posted: 9 Aug 2007 18:13 from: its_all_downhill Hello all I have a question that is, I want to build an entrance to a yard with a rather sharp entry to it and am planning on building a 3-way to save space and minimize the radius squeeze.. I know these are not technical terms but is it a 3 way or mor like 2 curved points very close together? I have taken the largest radius as the longest road and the middle ...
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... , but can we specify the rail length used to make up a turnout? The straight stockrails of the C9's I'm making a crossover from appear to arrive with a joint approximately along with the joint for the switches and another a scale 60' further along the exit road. What would the lengths of blank rail supplied to a P-way yard/manufacturer be? I know 30'/45'/60' is a common measurement for plain track panels, but in what lengths was fresh plain rail supplied? ( ... bonus points for saying P4exactoL Stores say 0.5m through the post or 1.0m at shows!) I'm trying to replicate an LNER 1930's spec crossover using the dimensions supplied by the NERA reproduction of the LNER P-way standards book. Templot turns out a respectable version of this with the timbers sized and shuffled about, but when I try to stitch it into plain track it gets complicated with overlaps. The prototype, though dead straight, is complicated by one road being in 30' panels and one in 45' panels. I've ...
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... I've now managed to copy the original Templot drawing as an attachment, I know the plan isn't complete but I used part of it to make the Vee about 4 years ago! Any comments or suggestions as to why or how to modify it to work? both roads are on a very slight curve BTW! Attachment: attach_1712_2336_double_slip_town _central.jpg 475 Last edited on 13 Jan 2014 22:49 by roythebus posted: 15 Jan 2014 17:10 from: Stephen Freeman Hi, I've been having a look at this and I think that ... wheel flange. Which should be more than adequate for all wheels. By reducing the opening to say 1.5mm (still a bit overscale) it would be possible to have both switches open at the same time -- e.g. when operated by hand levers in a yard. And also in some GWR interlockings. Admittedly it needs some careful fitting of the linked stretcher bars to get the desired openings -- but no-one chooses a double slip for their first attempt at trackbuilding. regards, Martin. posted: 29 Jan ...
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... We (the Scalefour Teesside AG) want to relay the right hand entrance into the fiddle yard and at the same time take the opportunity to improve the track layout. There are 2 main running lines that can enter or exit from any of the 12 fiddle yard roads and a goods only loop which needs to be able to be entered from the inner most pair of fiddle yard roads plus maybe some others if possible. The top right baseboard needs a pair of crossovers and point to the loop. So far I've drawn a ... topic: 2947 Awrhyllgwami Quarry posted: 12 Dec 2016 15:12 from: Richard Spratt We (the Scalefour Teesside AG) want to relay the right hand entrance into the fiddle yard and at the same time take the opportunity to improve the track layout. There are 2 main running lines that can enter or exit from any of the 12 fiddle yard roads and a goods only loop which needs to be able to be entered from the inner most pair of fiddle yard roads plus maybe some others if possible. The top ...
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... 22:45 from: Tony W Hello Simon. I have been having a look at your box file. Whilst I appreciate that yours is a minimum space project, some of your curves are very tight. Converting the Diamond into a Slip will produce a slip road with a radius of just under 24 inches. I have just tried it. A larger curve can be produced by using an outside slip, but there is not the room to fit one in at the current track spacing. There is though an alignment problem ... 60 x 18.2 inches. I have tried to create the micro layout in Templot and squeeze a quart into a pint pot! I have attached the box file from my first effort and to explain the rationale behind the design. The concept is a low level industrial yard with associated engineering works and warehouses (to provide suitable scenic blocks) all set against a main line traversing the scene on a viaduct. The low level design can also operate as a shunting problem using the headshunt (capacity loco+ 2 wagons) and the ...
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... Brown Came across this plan: 528_111958_290000000.jpg If it's accurate then it's about 1520' long, or 20' in 4mm. So it would need a bit of reduction. If you operated it from the beach side then the carriage sidings might make access to the storage roads a bit awkward, but maybe OK. Looks like you could get width down to 3'6" or even less, with a bit of fiddling. The longest platform seems to be about 8' long so there's probably scope for reduction there. By the way ... Feb 2015 15:28 from: John Preston I have added the carriage sidings and made a mirror image for your perusal. I note your space is 16 feet long, As drawn this track configuration is almost 15 feet long- so no room for a fiddle yard. The only way to shorten is to further reduce the length of the station tracks. This is drawn in P4, if you wish to build in EM or OO the configuration has to be changed to eliminate the double slips and use ordinary turnouts instead, ...
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... change the crossing angle to 1:7.5 4. such turnouts usually look better with equalized timbering. 5. on the goods yard turnout, change the crossing angle to 1:7.5 6. use the CTRL+ F12 mouse action on it to extend the turnout road to fill the gap: 2_181146_140000000.png The design could be improved for a better "flow" into the platforms by using transition curves. You would need catch/trap points on the exit from the goods yard onto a passenger line. regards, Martin. posted ... : Michael Henfrey I wonder if any of you can help me.. I have been working a little on my branch layout with passing station and I am wondering if the left hand side points look right? Basicially it's a LH point that leads into the goods yard but it also connects to another LH (curviform crossing) which forms the loop. I'm not sure if it's me or not but something seems a little off. Anyway I am trying to fit this in with a big enough station loop area for 4 coaches ...
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... 10 Oct 2017 18:33 by Damien Morris posted: 10 Oct 2017 18:36 from: Martin Wynne Hi Damien, Welcome to Templot Club. What you have there is an irregular diamond-crossing (crossing angles unequal). It's possible to add slip roads to an irregular diamond-crossing, but it would always be a special by the design office, where space constraints leave no choice. For example a cramped station throat, or a complex junction. It's very unlikely to find one in a goods yard. ... but quite likely circa 1890) so you may want to consult later plans if you intend modelling the station in LMS or BR days. 4011f6671d6b633b028536d1d0260903.p ng This image I found, shows a Bedford TJ series? in the background. So Circa 1958-1975, goods yard still there. Last edited on 10 Oct 2017 18:33 by Damien Morris posted: 10 Oct 2017 18:36 from: Martin Wynne Hi Damien, Welcome to Templot Club. What you have there is an irregular diamond-crossing (crossing angles unequal ...
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... , to do GWR 10& 12+ foot switches, They would look better for a GW layout and have the correct timber spacings too. Did you follow a plan for this? You have also ommitted to shorten the check rails for your slip on the slip road side. Real, Customize V-crossing, half diamond check rails, shorten turnout road for single slip. posted: 28 Aug 2011 14:41 from: Rich Pedder I've now rectified the slip check rails, thanks for pointing that out. Regarding the ... along with loosing the lower 3 sidings) in order to get it into the 12ft I have available. posted: 28 Aug 2011 19:17 from: Phil O The era are you modelling will depend on the switch type you can use, certainly all the yard turnouts will use GW old type 10 ft switches. The GW flexible switches were not introduced until the 1920 and so would not have been cascaded down to branch lines until the mid thirties at the very least. The turnouts at Cranmore on the East Somerset Railway ...
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... way) (44.67mm centres) if there is significant curving because you need extra running clearance between the tracks. You can ease the radius by changing from a regular-type V-crossing to generic. But this makes a more abrupt reverse curve over the crossover road. A nice short turnout would be a 10ft GWR curved switch with 1:5.5 crossing angle. This makes 840mm/ 33" radius, and a compact crossover in 433mm/ 17" overall. But you wouldn't want to run a main-line passenger ... : 29 May 2015 15:20 from: Martin Wynne madscientist wrote: as an aside Martin, what turnout would you recommend to keep inside 00-SF min radius, but gave the most compact crossovers That depends whether it is straight or curved, in a yard or a main running line, strictly prototypical or allowing model compromises? With enough gauge-widening there isn't actually a minimum radius. However, it doesn't make sense to use 00-SF for layouts where general curves are sharper than about 750mm/ 30" ...
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... be a model of the real place (just west of Caerphilly) set in 1920. There are four lines operated by three companies. A composite scan of the local maps is attached. The intention is to model the whole area of the map westwards of the road bridge. The ANDR operated the E-W double track from Penrhos junction to the footbridge and it is almost level. The RR operated a parallel double track that becomes a single line. This line is on a falling gradient of about 1:80 from ... I'd prefer 2m for the shortest siding. I've also taken out one siding on each side. The inner of the sidings are shown as a relief loops on the signal box plan, but I doubt it was ever used as such. I haven't drawn the fiddle yards yet except where it is necessary to get entrance tracks aligned. Orange represents the downhill Rhymney section which loops under the fiddle yards, around the front of the layout still hidden as green rising to join the fiddle yards. The lowest part is 4" below ...
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... is set for a generic type of V-crossing. The other is set for a curviform type of V-crossing. You can see that they are identical, apart from the alignment of the rails between A and B, forming the exit for the turnout road: curviform_exit1.png In the case of a regular or generic V-crossing, these rails are curved to the same radius, and in the same direction, as the main road (the lower centre-line above). This is the normal situation, for ... to a curviform type of V-crossing where a. there is contraflexure and the exit roads beyond the turnout are curving in opposite directions, b. in other cases where it is required that the tracks should diverge more quickly than usual, for example in goods yards. There are more diagrams about all this at: http://www.templot.com/martweb/gs_realtrack.htm N.B. note that "curviform" is called "curved" on that page (as it is in version 074b). The change was made to avoid ...
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... . Hi Phil, Stephen, Phil, your formation isn't actually an outside slip -- the usual meaning of a slip requires the rail to pass inside the diamond. The usual term for what you have there is a "half-scissors". The side road is completely clear of the diamond, and if there was a similar road on the other side it would be possible for both side roads to be occupied simultaneously. That isn't possible for a (double) outside slip, like this: double_outslip.jpg regards, Martin ... : 819 Half-scissors in P4 posted: 17 May 2009 16:44 from: philchudley Hi All I have made attempt at Templotting an outside single slip in P4, the .BOX for which is attached. This is form the major part of a small goods yard where the maximum loco will be an 0-6 -0T and short wheel base goods stock. I have used curved B7s (REA) and a 1:4 curved diamond as the base templates and I intend to use Exactoscale and C&L components ...
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... the idea of the counterbalance but I think that maybe pushing it a tad too far as you say! As to the layout not really. My plan is to build a couple of short extensions to each end of the board just finished, and extend all the roads by say a foot or so( temporarily) to allow proper testing of this board. Then I'll move onto the next baseboard which I think will be the one to the left( south) of this one. This should be a simpler build with only ... toolchest now available for clutter to populate. I have a railway room where I used shelving from Shelfstore http://www.shelvingsystem.co.uk/ to arrange shelving around two walls for the layout to sit on. Over the winter I completed the two baseboards to take the fiddle yard. No yard yet, but the baseboards have become unbelievably cluttered, an extension of the workbench. posted: 17 Oct 2018 12:10 from: John Lewis Andrew Duncan wrote: As to strength only time will tell wether mine is up to the job ...
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