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... , if anyone out there can provide me with any information about how the NBR went about timbering a tandem, it would be much appreciated. John, It's not NB but Caley and it's not a tandem, but here's a picture of a three way at Crow Road station on Glasgow showing that sleepers were used throughout. I think that there were some detail variations on NB and Caledonian practices but I'm sure that they all followed the same general rules. 25_100450_140000000.jpg A lot of pre-Grouping interlaced turnouts survived well into the BR ... . I think probably the latter. Finally, regarding your original question... you may be familiar with the Iain Rice "Layout Design: Finescale in small spaces" published by Wild Swan. This has a nice photo from a raised viewpoint of North Leith yard in mid-LNE days by C.L. Mowat, with two tandems visible in the middle distance, one of which looks close enough to give useful detail. Unfortunately the screen used for reproduction is too coarse to say for sure whether there are timbers or sleepers ...
... also remember Brian saying that he was considering using Scale7 profile wheels with the 31mm gauge track with its 1mm check rail gap (same as Scale7). In fact you could almost call the 31mm gauge standard "Scale7- 2" If you considered going down that road then you could easily get your Scale7 wheelsets from Slaters and push them in by 2mm (yet another peculiar British combination- exact scale wheels on narrow gauge track.) Jim. posted: 1 Mar 2011 09:53 from: Martin Wynne Jim Guthrie wrote ... ?f =9 &t =40978 about 2/3 way down the page. The running is very much better. The long curved crossover, somewhere around 1 in 14 would not be possible in 32mm IMHO. We reverse mineral trains through them into the yard and there is no deviation, lurch or drop whatever. In fact, you can't tell where the turnouts are looking at the wagons. I commissioned my own gauges from a local precision engineering firm- about £17 apiece- but there is a manufacturer making ...
... Valley Railway, Wirksworth Overall view of the station yard including the narrow gauge line. somerights20.gif© Copyright Dave Hitchborne and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence. 2333264_7b709a24.jpg Temple Mills Yard, south end, with a 2-8 -0 View NW from Ruckhold Road Bridge. On the right is the shunters' mess-room and passing is Thompson O4/8 rebuild of Robinson ex-Great Central 2-8 -0 No. 3836, on its way to Stratford Locomotive Depot after working an Up freight/coal ... which is a fairly rare occurrence on British rails. It is usually only two-way and certainly never more than three. somerights20.gif© Copyright Dave Hitchborne and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence. 2095790_ed6ed758.jpg Ecclesbourne Valley Railway, Wirksworth Overall view of the station yard including the narrow gauge line. somerights20.gif© Copyright Dave Hitchborne and licensed for reuse under this Creative Commons Licence. 2333264_7b709a24.jpg Temple Mills Yard, south end, with a 2-8 -0 View NW from Ruckhold Road Bridge. On the right is the shunters ...
... some advice, but first of all I should introduce myself. Having dabbled in model railways in the '70s I returned to it on retirement. Started in N gauge but soon found that it did not meet my pre grouping interests so moved to 2mmFS. My real road to Damascus moment was building my first 2mm track. It just looked right, even allowing for my uneven soldering so consigned the N gauge track to the toy box. I bought Templot early this year and have followed the tutorials, "played around" with ... at least. My main interest is Great Central so on to my query. To build skills I am planning to produce, with the aid of Templot, a model of Charwelton based on the 1900 survey, when it was a simple through station and small goods yard. Can anybody advise me as to the timbering used on turnouts by the GCR when the London Extension was built? Also are they likely to have used a standard V crossing angle on most turnouts or would each one have been determined by location? Lastly they ...
... . Any help, as usual, much appreciated. Attachment: attach_938_1281_mws_fiddle_yard_10 _11_08_1415_38.box 268 posted: 8 Nov 2010 16:59 from: Robert Preston Hi, I don't know if the attached is what you have in mind. I put fixed-radius curves on fiddle road #1 and up main. Extended them, curved them to about 6m, so they nearly touch and then did peg align make transition. I then extended each end of the transition curve to meet fiddle and main and deleted the temporary fixed rad curves. ... topic: 1281 Replacing a slew with transition curves posted: 8 Nov 2010 14:17 from: richard_t Hello I've managed to find another 1.5 meters for the fiddle yard for Manchester Windmill Street, and "permission" to route two of the lines through the camila bush rather than the one I currently thought I'd be able to do. This means that I can, eventually, have the two running lines out to the garden. I still want a siding leading to a cassette for the short term. As the siding ...
... track from 00 to 0-16.5 stock length To explain trains enter from top left, station and platform top right. Bottom left cattle pen/ end loading plank. Top left siding Goods shed, bottom left siding coal yard. The fiddle yard is a 3 road revolving, which we may change to cassette and run the bottom left siding in front of it. I have brought Exacto scale &mm 10"& 12" sleepers, plan is to use Exactoscale& C&L chairs with code 75 rail. Code ... building a small 0-16.5 layout. The track plan is based on a small (last minute stand in )minimum spaced 00 gauge layout we had at the show at the weekend. The scenic section was 51" x 13" with a 21" fiddle yard I have attached a rough plan so that we can check sizes etc. The distance between the 2 crossovers may be wrong and the crossover should be a single slip (top left to top right). Next is to place stock on the plan, to ...
... down or slew the line and insert a turnout that has the Terminus route as the switched path? I hope that I have described the scenario clearly enough. Any thoughts gratefully received! Hi Brian, Even a C10 will have a significant speed restriction over the diverging road. You would need a very much longer turnout than C10 to be able to regard the diverging road as a "fast" line. The normal practice would be always to have the fast line as the main road of a turnout. So you should try ... Many thanks as always for the quick response. Thanks for the suggestion concerning putting the through station on a curve. With respect to the Terminus, no it doesn't have to be dead straight. I am going to have to pull back the turnout to the 'goods yard' anyway as this will become a Freightliner terminal. It will handle quite long trains so the entrance will have to be taken away from the end of the platform. Templot%20master%203.jpg I am a little puzzled over your suggestion of a 'burrowing junction ...
148. Grindham Shed
... interesting project and a good way to model lots of engines. I have a couple of suggestions. All your turnouts are B6's, which does not seem very prototypical to me. I have taken the liberty of altering several to C8's or 9's so that the entrance roads to the shed looks less cramped and the yard entrance has a more graceful flow. These are simply personal observations (prejudices?). The line for the the coal hoist look a little close to the turntable road, do you have room there for the ... without it fouling? Regards Raymond Attachment: attach_644_929_grindham_shed_modif ied.box 180 posted: 17 Sep 2009 11:57 from: Richard Hall Hi Raymond Many thanks for your helpful reply and suggestions. I have downloaded your suggested revisions for further examination at the next "board meeting". Regarding the spacing of the coal stage line, we propose the start the incline at the point the lines diverge; this should give an incline of about 1 in 16 (rising approx 55mm over about 900mm) which seems OK, but I am happy to ...
... looking for: 2_110944_460000000.png Starting with an ordinary Left-hand turnout in 0-MF, I set a 9ft switch for such a short turnout as there are no REA switches short enough. That's at template> switch settings... menu item. The main road is set to a negative radius of -1524mm (60") as required. For a such a short turnout it is almost certain that you want a curviform V-crossing -- click the indicator to C. More about that at: http: ... out of date for the version I'm using? Some notes mention symmetrical turnouts, but not non symmetrical Y's. I was using Templot V 2.19.b (but have just updated to 2.23b) and drawing using 0-MF gauge. It's for a small Southern Region goods yard I'm planning on building with hand built points, ply sleepers/Exactoscale/C &L components, etc. as Peco just doesn't work for me. I'm either starting in the wrong place, have missed a vital step or three or haven't found the right ...
... Both .BOX and .BGS files are included as a .ZIP Cheers Phil Attachment: attach_695_983_Bridport_Bay_LSWR_1 910.zip 374 posted: 1 Dec 2009 23:31 from: Nigel Brown Hi Phil Operation is going to be a little awkward, in that a goods train can't arrive if both platform roads are occupied because it's got nowhere to go, and if one road is occupied then the goods loco can't run around it's train, and when it gets to shunting the yard it would probably use a platform road as well in the operation which effectively means no ... trains in operation. Also, using the carriage sidiing may be a bit involved. Having said that, maybe that's what you want. But it means that you'll have to work out a timetable which will get around the limitations. Just my thoughts cheers Nigel posted: 1 Dec 2009 23:46 from: philchudley Fair points Nigel, thanks. I did design in some operational difficulties to keep things interesting! I am finishing a 1/4 scale model of the plan and will try some shunts and moves out to test ...
151. new cunning plan
... Boyd Hi Nigel That's pretty good for a first attempt! Could you please flesh out the description a bit so we can build a picture of the finished layout in our heads? There are some technical issues though which can be easily fixed. 1- The turnout road on the bottom right turnout has a bit of a dogleg in it! 2- On the LMS main line, there are a number of overlapping templates which I've fixed (see attached) by deleting one template, splitting another to remove the exit track and ... this is a very pleased chap. more use= easier to do. now have a next version please have a look and make comments. i have not got an engine shed( yet) the 6 straight tracks to the right will be traversers on the fiddle yard board unless i find point making fun !! !! all i now have to do is join the 2mm FS association buy some bits.... maaaaake two more base boards finish ther Gf's kitchen' beat world poverty and wake up. Attachment: ...
... for trying but you haven't reproduced it. I did explain in the notes:* note that the dummy vehicle can be rolled only along the control template alignment. It can't roll across template boundaries onto a different alignment on a background template -- over a crossover road for example, or through complex formations created from multiple partial templates. See: message 11596 edit: our posts crossed. regards, Martin. posted: 27 Mar 2012 20:38 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin I think I must have missed something- ... : 27 Mar 2012 23:28 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Martin, First apologies for not posting the Box file earlier, I had visitors very soon after posting my message. What I am trying to do here, is to make loop curves to the fiddle yard, which I need to keep as tight a radii as possible without infringing the min radius of 1000 mm. Also have allowed 58 mm adjacent track centres for clearance. These fiddle yard curves are those to the right, the remaining track-work to the ...
153. Getting Started
... extends each side of that location, not wholly within the plain track template. I think this is what you are trying to achieve. I re-positioned your B-7 turnout slightly for a better join with the inner curve. Then I extended the main road and split it off as a separate exit track template. I curved it down to just below the upper straight track and used the "make transition" function to create a transition there: 2_011641_450000000.png Box file attached. regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_1409_1837_adrian_trans.box 379 ... topic: 1837 Getting Started posted: 19 Feb 2012 12:44 from: Adrian (ffoil) Hello, I've downloaded TEMPLOT Version 0.97.b, and I'm trying to start to produce a simple yard (before moving on to something more complicated), but I think I'm falling at the first hurdle. When I start up, it shows me a curved turnout, which seems to be anchored to the bottom left hand corner of the screen. How do I move it to somewhere more useful (I've worked out how to ...
154. Straights and bends
... should not be exactly opposite each other, otherwise the check rails cannot be fitted to work properly. For inside slips the shortest practical diamond-crossing is 1:6, otherwise the radius will be too tight. For shorter diamonds you can add an outside slip road, but this requires a lot more space. regards, Martin. posted: 7 Jan 2012 23:18 from: Martin Wynne Martin Wynne wrote: Your problem with uploads is that you are saving the screenshots in JPG format. p.s. there is also ... the gauge is 00-SF. The layout size is 3300mm x 400mm (including the part marked 'House Extension'). The curved section at the left hand side isn't really part of the layout, I've just put it there so I can extend the fiddle yard around the corner of my room for access as I won't be able to get at the fiddle yard proper with the layout against a wall. So if you forget this, the running line is straight into the top straight section of the fiddle yard (access ...
... properly started on this I would need to write a book. Which I don't mind doing, but not at the pace you work, it would take me a week or two. The bump is because you are using "A" switches. The turnout-road centre-line is drawn starting from the heel of the switch. There is a gap between there and the centre-line of the main road: 2_150926_220000000.png To reduce the bump you need to use a shorter switch. I did suggest using a 9ft straight ... Martin. I really hope that is all tongue in cheek.... I have gone down the full DCC route for a dozen reasons, not least of which is route setting and possible full computer control to run trains whilst I'm pottering around in the goods yard or engine shed. Conventional DC control as you describe, is what I had originally had and to go forwards, meant going back a couple of steps first. All the turnouts have Tortoise motors controlled by DCC decoders. With 60 turnouts over such a large ...
... - The Sequel posted: 7 Oct 2010 12:34 from: BeamEnds Hi all, here's the lastest version of Soddingham-Under-Piddle- it's now shrunk to a 11' x 2' plank. It started out as a serious go at modelling Mells Road (between Frome and Radstock) circa 1980, but, well, you know.... So now it's entirely fictional, but the same general area and period. The sidings are the font of the layout. Because I like signals, the four ... able to work with a 3' train is the main requirement), and then I'll turn my back and magically the next one has arrived (spookily with the same wagons and engine) to be shunted. If there were space, the addition if a fiddle yard at each end would make it a pretty practical layout- be needs must and all that. It looks a lot better with labels turned off! Cheers Richard Attachment: attach_909_1266_Small_Sodding_2.bo x 496 Last edited on 7 Oct 2010 12:45 by BeamEnds posted: 8 ...
... . You can reduce end-throw by: 1. using a regular type V-crossing to increase the length of straight between the reverse curves. 2. placing the crossover on a significant curve, so that there is no reverse of curvature through the crossover road. You can then use any type of V-crossing. 3. using a flatter V-crossing angle. Here is a screenshot showing how at significant curving, there is no reverse curve for stock traversing the crossover road. This is a B- ... With no reverse curve you can safely use any type of V-crossing for such a crossover. Here I used generic V-crossings. That lengthens the turnouts, making an easier radius in the outer turnout. For a smaller shunting layout, or in goods yards etc. where bogie passenger vehicles won't be running, usually you want the crossover to be as short as possible, and reverse-curve effects may not matter so much. Generally it is then better not to use the REA switches, but change to older ...
158. New 7mm Project
... notice the plan has changed slightly across these two pictures but is mainly there to show the two baseboard arrangements) The main design constraints of the layout is to utilise the space as much as possible, whilst still being able to operate the layout via the branch line road when at home. Additionally, we wanted to create something that was simple, flowing and not to over cramped. The other limiting factor is the single radius on the right hand of the garage. The exhibition part of the layout will be built to 31.5mm ... this design. I have recently been working on a project with a friend of mine, who has recently started out in 7mm. As you will see from the attached photo and file. The project consists of two parts; a permanent fixed running loop with fiddle yard and a integrated layout that has been designed to exhibit. The outside loop, which contains a double slip, two points and a passing loop on one side and a ladder fiddleyard on the other side. This has been designed based on 32mm Peco track work ...
... explain the apparent unused/unconnected status of the object. I think this is developing into a mystery on par with the Rossetta stone. Regards. Trevor. posted: 17 Nov 2014 16:28 from: DerekStuart Trevor, if you look at the right hand road in the last photo', the signal box is just to the right of the dog leg. The rodding comes down the right side out of shot, before crossing the 3 roads to the area in question and then this one wire for the starter comes ... thousand miles and un-doubtedly not dis-similar methods were used, they seem to have much in common. What I find quite noticeable is that you don't just learn about trains as such, but architecture, geology (maybe this doesn't apply in a loco yard- but for example have you seen the way some people put water courses in- rivers cut into deep ravines of soft sand, which doesn't happen), of course engineering and even if you're modelling a historic location you even take on the disciplines of a ...
... & then start the build. Its only a idea at this stage& i dont know wether anyone has the time to do this. their is around 8 points on the front of the layout not really sure of the rear as of yet i guess a ten road fiddle will be enough. Anyway if you can help get in touch the design is in the attachment on the bottom for the front of the layout. Thanks& happy new year Simon. Attachment: attach_185_300_rosegrove.jpg 196 posted: 5 Jan 2008 17:44 from ... a image of the front of the layout design i think its best to actually curve the layout right around so the whole layout is a kind of big oval so it makes the corners a easier to work with the idea is to use curved points in the fiddle yards at the rear whilst hand made on the front. The reason i came here to ask is that once plans are designed i can send them to the cabinet maker to build me the baseboards& then start the build. Its only a idea at this stage ...
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