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... when. Can anyone point me in the right direction? Kind regards Andrew I'll post the video separately posted: 21 Oct 2018 15:35 from: Andrew Duncan Here it is... There is some sound but it's towards the end of the video. H Last edited on 21 Oct 2018 15:41 by Andrew Duncan posted: 21 Oct 2018 16:22 from: Nigel Brown The slight bump going over some crossings just might be the crossing rather than the rear drivers. Might. Remember bumps involving the fixed axle are likely to be more noticeable than the rocking drivers. Like the idea for signals. I do something like that, maybe the way Steve Hewitt does it? I have a plasticard top plate (easily buried under ballast) and a plastruct tube glued vertically to it, which slots into a hole in the baseboard. The signal, including post and ladder, is built up from the top plate and is installed as a unit. But the servos are mounted and adjusted separately underneath the baseboard. The signal posts are ...
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... small S7 layouts on the S7 web site http://www.scaleseven.org.uk/Showcase/S7layoutshowcase.html and all of the standards are there as well. posted: 1 Mar 2011 17:26 from: Rob Manchester Thanks to all for the interesting replies, certainly plenty of choice. How do I push Slaters wheels in by 2mm. Surely the rolling stock wheels are on shouldered axels( unless the S7 ones are different?) and the loco wheels are fixed in terms of B to B by the square to round transition of the axle. Mike's point about 'anything' that is handbuilt looking better than Peco is very sensible and at present I am probably favouring this approach. We shall see. Rob posted: 1 Mar 2011 19:02 from: Jim Guthrie Rob Manchester wrote: How do I push Slaters wheels in by 2mm. Surely the rolling stock wheels are on shouldered axels( unless the S7 ones are different?) and the loco wheels are fixed in terms of B to B by the square to round transition of the axle. Rob, ...
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... illustrate results for EM from using basic trig formula calculated out by Excel. Attachment: attach_1363_1835_Track_Centres.jpg 476 posted: 20 Feb 2012 23:10 from: Martin Wynne Hi Derek, Ian, Mike, Tony, Thanks for your feedback. But as I mentioned, the geometry on circular curves is not the difficult part. The difficult bits are a. doing the maths for transition curves, slewing zones, and the turnout roads through double junctions; b. deciding on an acceptable allowance for model discrepancies such as end-play in axle-boxes, off-centre bogies, body-sway, etc., without creating excessive clearance as in the AMRA dimensions; c. providing a method in Templot for users easily to check if they have allowed adequate clearance. The spacing-ring tool is useful, but only if you know what size to set it. So in the next TDV update there will be a new feature to place a dummy vehicle on the control template and move it along the track by mouse action. The corner clearance between two ...
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... topic: 2560 How much sideways movement on loco chassis posted: 27 Oct 2014 11:59 from: LSWRArt How much 'slop' should be allowed between the wheels and the chassis? For example, I model using 0-MF track. If I have an 0-6 -0 loco with a certain wheelbase (85mm) running on curves with a certain maximum radius (1200mm), how much movement should I allow on each axle? Is there a simple formula into which you can enter dimensions? This would allow me to decide how much movement to allow on the loco and also whether to gauge widen the track on the tightest curves. If so, can you easily extend this formula to something like an 0-4 -4? Assuming minimal sideways movement on each of the axles, how much sideways movement should be allowed on the bogie for a certain wheelbase? I know this is not a track question, but it seems that the two are closely connected. Thanks, Arthur posted: 27 Oct 2014 13:09 from ...
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... some crossing work and see how it runs before making any decisions. The unsuitable nature of Bachmann and Hornby( and especially Dapol/Heljan) wheels( presumably because the flange is thicker making a large enough back-to-back to span the checkrails impossible without wheels hitting the crossing nose?) isn't an issue on small layouts if you plan your roster in advance. All my rolling stock gets Gibson wheels as a matter of course. The motive power that isn't provided for is mainly just those that have non-standard axle/gear arrangements such as Hornby class 31 diesels( if there are any that haven't rotted the chassis) and many of the DMU/EMU's available that have a central plastic gear muff into which half axles are inserted. A good plan in theory as you do away with wipers for pickup by using the bearing cups to perform this function. I still don't understand check rail chairs being moulded to a particular dimension. That may work if you are used to setting the check rails with a crossing flangeway gauge but surely if ...
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... with no notching in other cases. But then it is necessary to fine tune all the rolling stock. Getting the wheel back to back gauge is the most obvious and easiest to achieve. Then comes getting the vehicles sufficiently weighted. I tried MJT compensated bogies on my Ratio coaches, but found that the extra flexibility made them more liable to ride up over switch/closure rails. I found that with enough weight, the more limited flex of the plastic Ratio bogies made for the most reliable running. But if the two axles in each bogie frame aren't exactly parallel with each other, they will ride up and over turnouts when that turnout is set in the direction of the crooked axle. Then there are the 4 wheel goods wagons. So far, I've stuck with rigid wheel mounting. But non parallel axles create the same derailment problems. But how do you achieve parallel axles when using pin point axle bearings which allow the axle point to float around in the bearing? I spent around 11 hours fine tuning the suspension of an Alan Gibson framed ...
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... too much. The model for sale today was 'around' £200. It came to a dealer in bulk lot from a chap in the Nottingham area who had moved on. A knowledgable viewer commented that you had some of the models assembled by outside contractors but maybe you can confirm this. One feature I noticed was the wheel pickups were flat PB strip that had a neat 90 degree twist in the middle which I haven't seen on a model for a long time. I guess it stiffens the strip. Each of the axles had black paint marks around the centres- maybe to mark the wheel set/axles for assembly. The model was in good company as there were several of Jim McGeown's nice kits for sale. Rob posted: 22 Apr 2018 23:33 from: Martin Wynne Rob Manchester wrote: A knowledgable viewer commented that you had some of the models assembled by outside contractors but maybe you can confirm this. Not so -- so not very knowledgeable after all. The original intention was to supply only the RTR assembled model. ...
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... from: Hayfield Another very easy, quick and cheap way of buying locos to work on EM gauge is some of the ready made kit built locos. Just to show EM gauge locos do not need to be expensive I have a kit built Cotswold LMS 3F, It has a solid brass milled chassis with Romford wheels, and will be a doddle to convert. It has an Airfix/MW MRRC 5 pole motor 1 Remove the wheels 2 fit 40 thou plasticard sides to the chassis, one at a time and drill the axle holes as you go 3 Replace the wheels using Romford axles 4 Adjust the pickup wipers A quick and easy conversion, at a minimal expense, I have done the same with a K's pannier tank. And I am now partway through an EM gauge conversion of a K's Adams Radial, but I an fitting a High Level Slimline plus gear box with a Mashima motor, these probably doubled the cost of the loco, so still at a modest cost If required it is now an easy job fitting Gibson plastic brake shoes and ...
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... .. I seem to remember either a Deltic or EE4 sitting right there which would give a view in 'modern' era. Martin, Thanks for that. A suggestion for Templot... how about a "insert mysterious rail that no one knows what it does" feature? posted: 16 Nov 2014 15:52 from: DerekStuart Matt Here's a photo in 1983 with all evidence removed BUT it shows the ground as I describe. Now what would need flange lubrication in 1960s but not in 1980's when you have 8 axle heavy EE4's going over it? http://www.flickr.com/photos/jncarter1962/8559608907/ posted: 16 Nov 2014 16:02 from: Martin Wynne DerekStuart wrote: Here's a photo in 1983 with all evidence removed Hi Derek, Not all evidence removed. There is something lying along the sleeper ends in the exact spot where the check rail was, and those sleepers have less ballast between them than the others. And there is something boarded over just beyond. It makes me wonder if there is some sort of ...
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... connected as a pair and always move in opposite directions. The reason for needing a switched diamond, as Martin has explained earlier, is due to the difficulty in checking the wheel set through the fixed K crossing when the angle is too flat. As the wheel set approaches the middle of the diamond a situation can be reached where it is possible for the wheelset to go either side of the "point rails" if the check rails are no longer checking the backs of the wheels. If you doubt this take a single axle and attempt to rotate it in the diamond, you will see what I mean. I know this is not a situation that happens in reality as the axles are restrained by the sideframes, but it illustrates the principle. Switched crossings overcome this situation by removing the gap in the running rail. Tony. Last edited on 15 Mar 2012 21:38 by Tony W posted: 15 Mar 2012 21:54 from: Tony W Hi Andy. It should look like this. I have also changed the box file title ...
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... Wishes, H posted: 24 Jun 2011 20:40 from: Rob Manchester Howard, It is a good job the wheels have nice big flanges! Toy train makers used to fit their stock with wheels like these...oops, silly me, they still do. It would be interesting if anybody could post a comparison vid taken on P4 or Scaleseven to show the difference. Rob posted: 24 Jun 2011 21:07 from: Peter_Hirons I was a bit concerned with the amount of end-float of the axles in the bearings. Didn't think pin-points were meant to do that posted: 25 Jun 2011 10:15 from: JFS I was actually surprised- it rides a lot better than I expected. I think it is a great way to see how good/ bad your track actually is and agree that it would be good to do one in a "more scale" standard- though I have seen some pretty ropey P4 track in truth!! Does anyone know what the technology looks like to make a vid ...
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... in whatever scale you want, check it with every gauge available and it is good. You put a loco on it. It runs from the switch end through the straight and vice versa perfectly. It also runs from the switch through the branch perfectly. But when you run from the branch to the switch, it will 'split' i.e. derail. And it always happens this way and probably only one or two locos in your stock and certainly not on any wagon or coach. You have goods sideplay on the centre axle(s). So what is the problem? My theory is that whilst sideplay is understood, the restraining forces of the coupling rods receive little or no consideration and it is these that are preventing the centre axles from moving with the curve of the crossing. The solution? Adjust the branch check rail. Probably no more than a tenth of a millimetre- hardly visible to the eye, but a huge improvement in operating. (This is one reason why I do not approve, in modelling, of combined stock ...
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... 45-4) that gets a lots of use and is fine but I have a use for a smaller one. I need it to increase the gauge of HO loco wheelsets fitted to mainly steam locos preferably without taking the whole chassis apart. Some european makers must have very bad QC as the B-Back measurements can be anywhere in the range of 14.0 to 14.5mm and 14.3 is about the minimum for use on HO-SF trackwork. I just need to be able to tweak the wheels out a little on the axles and luckily many of them have splined axle ends so moving the wheels out a tad shouldn't cause a problem with them becoming loose. There are a few listed on Amazon but a) it is difficult to know how big some of them are and b) some of the reviews are poor. Thanks Rob posted: 24 Apr 2015 23:20 from: Richard_Jones Hi Rob, Have you looked at the ones that George Watts (GW Models) offers?- he used to advertise in MRJ. I have the adjustable ...
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... : Rob Manchester Hi Andy, I too have some Hornby Gresley Suburban coaches of the latest generation and the wheels are indeed 2.5mm wide( 0.1"). The back-to-backs are between 14.2 and 14.3mm as supplied. I also have a few Hornby BR( ex LMS) surburban coaches purchased recently and they are the same in wheel width and BtB settings. All other RTR coaches of recent vintage from Bachmann/Hornby etc seem to have 2.8mm wide wheels. The wheels can of course be pulled out on the axles with a NWSL puller or similar if required. Rob posted: 3 Oct 2019 21:34 from: Andy Reichert Rob Manchester wrote: Hi Andy, I too have some Hornby Gresley Suburban coaches of the latest generation and the wheels are indeed 2.5mm wide( 0.1"). The back-to-backs are between 14.2 and 14.3mm as supplied. I also have a few Hornby BR( ex LMS) surburban coaches purchased recently and they are the same in wheel width and BtB settings. All other RTR coaches of ...
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... length. It is then aligned onto the curved track and snaked past another one to check the clearance. In 4mm scale, I set the vehicle "width" (timber length) to 42mm, i.e. a clearance envelope of 3mm all round the typical vehicle width of 9ft (36mm). So when these "vehicle timbers" are just touching, there is actually still a static 6mm clearance between them. This should be more than adequate to allow for body roll, gauge-slop, off-centre wheels on axles, axle end-play, etc. To maintain the same clearance on curved track as for straight track at 6ft way, it would be necessary to set this dimension to 44.67mm, matching the track centres. edit: updated link for Templot2: http://templot.com/companion/index.html?dummy_vehicle_tool.htm regards, Martin. posted: 21 Apr 2010 22:42 from: Dellboy Martin Wynne wrote: I have an unfinished video for Derek. I made the video weeks ago but haven't found time to write up the ...
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... this you may find it worth joining the EM Gauge Society who have a detailed manual covering all these matters, and more: http://emgs.org Generally EM and 00-SF are fine for anything other than outright toy train sets, i.e. a minimum radius say around 24"/ 600mm and turnouts no shorter than say 1:4. A lot depends of course on what rolling-stock you will be using. Not just locomotive wheelbase, but also matters such as buffers and couplings, wheel profiles, and axle sideplay. Generally where the radius goes below say 30"/ 750mm it is advisable to add some gauge-widening, which happens automatically if you use the 3-point track gauges. If you won't be going as tight as that on radius you probably don't need any gauge-widening. RTR models are made to run on curves down to around 18"/ 450mm radius at 16.5mm, so will easily run round 30"/ 750mm at 16.2mm. You can see the smallest radius in a turnout on the info ...
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... lasting harm in spraying ideas around, for folks to ignore or dismiss as the ravings of a lunatic. cheers, Martin. posted: 13 May 2018 00:47 from: Rob Manchester Hi, These are excellent 'cheapish' calipers( ideal for checking rail dimensions and such like) :- Dial Calipers I cut mine down so it just reads 0-50mm and is easy to carry in a pocket while trawling round shows, model shops and the like. It reads to a resolution of 0.02mm on the dial. Gibson axles are exactly 2.00mm on it which is close enough for me Rob posted: 13 May 2018 08:08 from: Stephen Freeman Hi, I've ordered some 75mm digital ones, just under £10.00. Rob Manchester wrote: Hi, These are excellent 'cheapish' calipers( ideal for checking rail dimensions and such like) :- Dial Calipers I cut mine down so it just reads 0-50mm and is easy to carry in a pocket while trawling round shows, model shops and the like. It reads to a resolution ...
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... posted: 31 Jan 2017 23:52 from: madscientist im designing my magnum opus layout at the moment, but in the main station I have three crossovers in a row. As usual I'm constrained by space Given I don't want to go below 30" radius anywhere and I will want to propel 2axle wagons over these crossovers, what's the best turnout in 00-SF to give me the greatest radius in the shortest length Thanks Dave posted: 1 Feb 2017 00:58 from: Martin Wynne Hi Dave, 2-axle wagons will be the least of your problems- they will go round almost any radius unless very long wheelbase. You might have problems with couplings and buffer-locking. Generally it is 6-coupled or 8-coupled steam locomotives which create the limiting condition. For the shortest turnout with the largest radius, you could: 1. set a generic type V-crossing (or curviform, but not for crossovers). 2. use a short curved switch. For example, these are both above 30" radius ...
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... topic: 2748 P4 test track posted: 29 Sep 2015 10:20 from: Len Cattley Hi I need help, I have posted a file on share and show. Is it OK for testing 4-6 -0's the points and single slip are B7's? Len posted: 29 Sep 2015 10:34 from: Martin Wynne Hi Len, It looks ok to me. But everything depends on the actual 4-6 -0 -- wheelbase, sideplay on axles, etc. The leading truck is largely irrelevant, it would be just the same for an 0-6 -0 with the same wheelbase. For more help on P4 wheels, axles, minimum radius, etc., try asking on the Scalefour forum: http://www.scalefour.org/forum/ There is a Guest Book area for posting if you are not a member. regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> P4 test ...
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... an extract from J.S.Mundrey's 'Railway Track Engineering', substantial parts of which can be previewed on Google Books. I think it was this that first drew to my attention some of the problems that arise from a wheelset passing over a loose heel joint. There is also a section in the HSE's publication about mine trackwork dealing with loose heel switches containing the following commentary: "136 A loose heel switch can open inadvertently when a vehicle passes over in the facing direction of travel. This is caused by the guiding wheel on the leading axle passing over the hinged joint and giving it a 'kick', which opens the switch slightly, allowing the guiding wheel on the following axle to 'split the points'. To counteract this effect, switch blades should be longer than the longest wheelbase of any vehicle using the track." Despite the focus on keeping switches longer than the longest wheelbase in both these publications, it seems to me that a substantially similar problem must arise when the distance between the trailing wheelset of one vehicle and the leading wheelset of the next is ...
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