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... show lines to the MPD and hidden storage traverser. All ideas grateful accepted.... posted: 13 May 2020 12:47 from: Martin Wynne Hi Gordon, From memory your roundy-roundy layout is squarish, about 15ft/4500mm square? A panel 800mm x 400mm isn't the least bit squarish, so I'm wondering what you have in mind. Is the whole layout going on one panel? Or several panels? With 7mm dia LEDs, the closest track spacing to keep things looking clear is probably at 5mm centres. If your layout track spacing is 50mm, that means the scale of the mimic diagram is 1:10. So that would mean a diagram 450mm square. Which 800x400 isn't? Templot has a function to draw the track centre-lines only, at any width, irrespective of the gauge of the rails (and in the marker colours), which may help you make a panel. Can you post a screenshot of what you mean by jagged track edges? That may just be your screen resolution, it would ...
... anything this size from scratch before(22' x 11') I thought at various points over the last year (I started it in August 2014) that I'd bitten off more then I could chew. But I seem,with quite some help from my middle daughter Jeanne, to have almost got there now. It's even got power and heating in it but as you can see from the interior shot, with a work bench and a band saw, there isn't room to finish the baseboards which will go down the centre of the room! Ho hum. 2787_261334_500000000.png 2787_261338_200000000.png This shot shows the very wide roof which over shoots on the right hand side(hidden by the bushes) by 4' to provide cover under it for garden tools etc. I'll report more as time and progress dictate. Kind regards Andrew posted: 19 Feb 2017 20:58 from: Andrew Duncan Hello Everyone I've started to make a little more progress now with Yeovil track work. I've still not stuck down and ballasted the MPD track to its baseboard for a variety ...
... topic: 1835 Adjacent Track Centres posted: 18 Feb 2012 18:14 from: dessire_luvals Hi Folks, Can anyone point me at or offer any guidance as to appropriate measurement for track centres versus radius of a curve? I saw Martin's little video for proving the overhang of a carriage but don't think I've come across any easy to consume data. BTW I'm working in EM Gauge with minimum radius on my running lines of about 48". Thanks Russell Last edited on 18 Feb 2012 19:22 by dessire_luvals posted: 18 Feb 2012 23:38 from: Dellboy dessire_luvals wrote: Can anyone point me at or offer any guidance as to appropriate measurement for track centres versus radius of a curve? I saw Martin's little video for proving the overhang of a carriage but don't think I've come across any easy to consume data. BTW I'm working in EM Gauge with minimum radius on my running lines of about 48". Thanks Russell Russell I've taken the liberty of e-mailing you an excel calculation sheet which should answer your needs. posted: ...
... if attempt to add a clicked shape without clicking the workpad first: 2_130722_560000000.png Martin. posted: 16 Jun 2011 10:59 from: Martin Wynne# 3143 20-June-2011 platforms now show in all output formats gaunt turnouts now show correctly in all output formats PDF export -- independent black& white only tickbox added (was previously linked to the printer setting). corner page numbers font -- added to program preferences program preferences moved to separate menu: 2_170937_130000000.png new modify on rebuild option on storage box for track centre-lines. new menu item for track centre-lines: geometry> modify group to match. This modify-on-rebuild function allows fast transfer of the track centre-line settings to a group or an entire track plan. This is a convenient way to change a lot of hidden track to show as track centre-lines only, instead of having to change each template individually. Martin. posted: 22 Jun 2011 04:49 from: Martin Wynne# 3502 06-July-2011 further changes to ...
... something more modern. When I can find the time. regards, Martin. posted: 3 Jan 2016 11:46 from: Martin Wynne Andrew Barrowman wrote: .stl file of a 00-BF V-6 turnout attached. This file is intended for viewing only. It requires further editing before 3D printing. Hi Andy, Looking very good. Thanks for doing this. 2_030641_500000000.png Note that the crossing chairs (A, B, C, X, Y) need to be skewed so that they are square to the centre-line of the vee. Also chair "A" should be a slab& bracket design, with a through bolt (for a 1950s design). We will let you off that (for now). The old style of cast "A" chair is ok for earlier periods. regards, Martin. posted: 3 Jan 2016 12:17 from: Martin Wynne Hi Andy, I have increased the upload limit to 10MB in case you need to upload larger STL files. Attachments on this forum are stored ...
... but again, I'm not sure how to do that, or the measurements that should be worked to? Hi Rich, The track spacing dimensions are template-specific. Each template has its own settings, according to the requirements of its position on the track plan. For example inside an engine shed you would expect the tracks to be more widely spaced than for a straight double-track running line. Which means that normally before using the make double-track or the make crossover functions you should always set the required track centres dimension for the control template. Or at least check it. Click the tools> adjacent track centres... menu item: 2_272006_300000000.png (In the next program update I will be adding a note of the current settings directly in the menu for convenience -- shown boxed red above. But it's not there yet. The current settings are always shown on the information dialog, but it's quite quick just to click the menu item above regardless.) There are separate settings for the turnout side (TS) and main ...
... conflict or redesign to make compliant spacings. If anyone has any suggestions I would still like to hear from you so that these can be included in my re-vamp. Best wishes Peter posted: 22 Oct 2012 10:40 from: Martin Wynne PeterD wrote: I have just found a reference to the minimum distance between the adjacent rail and a signal post- 5' 1". Hi Peter, That's a very odd dimension. Where did you find it? is it from the edge of the post or the centre? To which edge of the running rail? The usual track spacings for multiple tracks (minimum) are alternating 6ft way and 10ft way. If a signal post is placed in the middle of the 10ft way, the centre of it will be 5'-0" from the outer edge of the running rail, or 5'-2.3/4" from the gauge face. A quick look at some GWR signal drawings shows them all dimensioned from the gauge face of the rail to the centre of the post ...
... topic: 2783 Timber Centre Lines posted: 10 Nov 2015 23:22 from: Charles Orr Hi Martin, This is probably not a flaw, just me doing something in the wrong sequence. I'm trying to show the timber centre lines and rail centre lines. Working on the control template which is a length of plain track in 4SF Click Real-Rails-Track Centre line only. Help dialogue says to turn generator menu on Turn Generator menu on Click Generator-Use skeleton settings Click generator-generator settings- From this menu I can sucessfully: Switch timber outlines on and off Switch timber infill on and off Switch outline extensions on and off BUT Clicking timber centre lines has no effect although the menu item shows as ticked Another point Clicking Real-Rails-Timber Surface Centre Line Only brings up the same help dialogue box as Clicking Real-Rails-Head Centre Line. Which is where we came in. Clicking Head Only or No Rails does exactly that. What am I not doing that I should be? Best regards Charles Using Windows ...
... tools in Templot to check and adjust clearances. regards, Martin. posted: 5 Oct 2017 12:53 from: Tony W Hi Richie Screen shot with check rail ends bent. 2151_050739_350000000.png Screen shot with check rail ends machined. 2151_050741_050000000.png The later would be more appropriate to your era. Regarding the track spacings of quadruple tracks, there are two main ways of doing this. The WCML was generally arranged as Up Down fast, Up Down slow and would be spaced at 11'2" 15' 2" 11' 2" centres. The alternate way as exemplified by the ECML used Up slow Up fast Down fast Down slow spaced at 15'2" 11'2" 15'2" centres. These can be set under GEOMETRY, ADJACENT TRACK CENTRES. Regards Tony. posted: 5 Oct 2017 16:14 from: Richie Kynaston Martin Wynne wrote: RK wrote: Looking at the real thing and thinking about signals, bridges etc, that doesn't seem right. Was there a standard spacing (appreciating that all locations can be as individual as the next) for double ...
... the flue pipe is mounted). The front elevation has windows fitted along the length of the cabin. The side elevation with the steps attached, has windows from the door frame out to the front side of the cabin, whilst the other end elevation has only a single window fitted towards the front side elevation. was actually placed on the end slope of the platform with the steps at the bottom of the slope. The steps are fitted side-on to the cabin. There is a single cylindrical ventilator mounted at the centre of the roof. The roof is slated. There is no external observation platform to this signal box. The overall dimensions of the cabin (not including the steps) are 17ft x 14ft, which includes the roof and eaves, also the rainwater guttering. I have tried a new technique of the roof detail in order to get it looking more realistic (I hope you approve), as I consider the large signal box roof slates were a little too blue, see what you think! I read the posting from ...
... . I do have a hankering to go for a flowing curve though so maybe I'll have another go. I wonder how the real thing would lay it out? Julian posted: 24 Oct 2014 23:05 from: Tony W Hi Julian. I have now had a better look at your track plan and I am afraid there are several issues that need looking at. Although your design of curved scissors and double slip will work and you have correctly used straight cut switches for your turnouts. You have used the standard track centres of 44.67mm to generate all your parallel tracks. This is alright for straight track and curves down to about 8800mm radius, but for sharper curves increased track centres are required. This is a common error. To allow for vehicle end and centre throw between templates 11 and 12 they should be at 53mm centres for 1067mm radius and between templates 28, 30 and 40 they should be at 49mm centres for 2085mm radius. This can be adjusted using the Adjacent track centres option under the Geometry drop down menu before generating double track ...
... topic: 3269 Blunt nose position on "A" Timber posted: 12 May 2018 16:55 from: richard_t Hello I've been wondering on the location of the blunt nose of a common crossing on the "A" timber. In the Scale 7 information sheet "Prototype Track Design and Construction" Figure 7 suggests that's it's 4" from the centre line of the timber. And that's the default Templot uses. But I can't see how this can be the case for either built up chairs or solid cast iron chairs. In the case of built up chairs, the crossing has a 3 inch extension in front of the blunt nose, which is bolted through the chair and the timber: 499_121146_390000000.png (Dimensions are for 7mm/ft with full size inches in square brackets) British Railways Track (ed 3), Figure 40 also shows a figure of 4", but this is from the center line of the chair, which is backed up by a footnote to Table 13 "The 'A' Chair comes under the nose of the crossing ...
... on Ordnance Survey plans. However, I recently chanced across a 1908 plan in the GWR Magazine. Although my period of interest is the late 50s, early 60s as far as I can ascertain there were little or no per way alterations since that time. Anyway, I've overlaid this GWR plan on an OS map and this is what I've achieved... templot1.jpg It took a bit of skewing and stretching but I'm very pleased with the result. I'm going to work out more accurate stretcher bar locations and confirm the track centres of the 4 lines within the Brunel part of the shed next. The track centres are important as supporting columns for the drawing offices above were located between the lines in the original carriage/ loco shed part. I'm still new to Templot really so any tips or suggests would be gratefully received. I hope to keep you posted! Cheers, Alex originally dated: 2008-03-11 00:12:43____ from: Paul Boyd Looks like an interesting project. I lived in Bristol for most ...
... , but I would have been inclined to increase this to 50mm, since some of the curves are approaching minimum radius. However, this would have needed changes to the side banking at the lower far left of the plan, in order to get the tracks in. It is already very tight there anyway, so you may need to modify those banks. I have tried to maintain all the turnouts to a 1:6 crossing angle, but have had to change one which is part of a 3 way tandem at the centre of the plan. I had to use a 3 way tandem, because there was no room to allow a single turnout to be below the crossover at that point. I have tried to keep the baseboard joints clear of any complex track work, but could not avoid the crossover and 3 way in the centre. However, this will need looking at again, as there may be something that can be done, it depends upon how much one can transition the turnouts, or possibly move then sufficiently to avoid the baseboard ...
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... before I had fantasy track plans for the new loft layout! I say fantasy because they will never come to fruition, but I find it an excellent way to get your head around the software. Don't get me wrong, I have still a long way to go before building my first turnout designed in Templot. However, a question, and I apologise in advance if this has been asked before. I use a fixed track ball optical mouse with the wheel controlling the zoom function. By default Templot zooms at the screen centre. Is it possible to set the zoom function to zoom at the mouse pointer so that automatically becomes screen centre? Similar to Turbo and Para CAD. posted: 14 Feb 2012 15:03 from: Martin Wynne John Hawtin wrote: I use a fixed track ball optical mouse with the wheel controlling the zoom function. By default Templot zooms at the screen centre. Is it possible to set the zoom function to zoom at the mouse pointer so that automatically becomes screen centre? Similar to Turbo and Para CAD. Hi ...
... topic: 1024 Passing clearances (Vehicle overhangs) posted: 27 Jan 2010 20:52 from: Dellboy Greetings As a born again railway modeller, of the many things I have been trying to get up to speed on is current thinking on how much one should increase the six foot (track centres) by on double curved track. Hours of Web trawling has drawn a blank. By using simple trigonometry I have managed to determine how to calculate the middle overhang based on track radius and coach bogie centres but how to calculate the end overhang? Should I assume end overhang is at worse equal to middle overhang? Related to this is how much contact allowance should be allowed for, I have assumed 2mm? But is this too small allowing for play in bogie pins etc. I would prefer my six foots to be as close as practicable to the 44.67mm standard. The gauge being modelled is EM, the centre line radius of the outer track is 1,250mm. From my calculation- for a 275mm long coach with 192mm bogie centres middle ...
... Best Regards, Brian. posted: 10 Mar 2008 21:36 from: Martin Wynne Brian Tulley wrote: I don't understand the term RAM, by the way Hi Brian, RAM= Right Angle Measure= Templot default and some Continental European prototypes: ram_angle_diagram.png RAM unit angles are traditionally used by modellers because they correspond with normal engineering practice and are easily set out with dividers -- all measurements are either along the rail or at right-angles to it. Templot uses RAM angles by default for this reason. CLM= Centre Line Measure= most US and UK prototypes: clm_angle_diagram.png Measurements are made along an imaginary centre-line between the vee rails, and at right angles to that centre-line. Neither measurement is along the rail. It's easy to do on the ground with gauging tools which fit across the rails, but more difficult on a drawing board. CLM unit angles are used because the rules-of-thumb formulae which are used by the p.w. gang when setting out pointwork on the ground are simplified, and produce closer ...
... and from the popup menu select< lock switch( in F5)>. The above mentioned corrected instructions should be used (or replaced if printed) wherever the< length locked> is found in the document. The second error is a little more complex as I discovered this whilst doing an irregular diamond crossing for New Street, which had a very sharp (small angled) vee at the one end, this being 1: 3.62 which the layout dictated. When I first tried using F5 to align the diamond to the centre lines of the curves with this small angle, I found the main road wing rail alignment to the vee was grossly out and had to find a method of dealing with this, hence the work around detailed below. The work around, below is listed what to do when faced with either a small angled vee (less than 1: 4) or if complete accuracy is essential (or required), this work around will be incorporated into the version 3 of this document and will become, as far as this document ...
... see if I could find out if they had been deleted, but as you can see from the screen shot all is shown as being in place. I am using Win 7.38_310932_140000000.png I have tried closing Templot and re-opened it, but the screen shot scenario still remains. Any ideas please. Thanks Phil posted: 31 Mar 2017 15:00 from: Martin Wynne Hi Phil, That looks odd. Which function(s) did you use for "I have just used the control Template to add a mainside track centre-line"? I can't see a mainside centre-line on that control template, the centre-line appears to be a background template. Is there a very long length of approach track on this template? Can you post your box file here (or just a section of it- save group)? Thanks. regards, Martin. posted: 31 Mar 2017 19:10 from: Phil O Martin Wynne wrote: Hi Phil, That looks odd. Which function(s) did you use for " ...
... You mentioned about the thinner plastic sleepers curling after having solvent applied on one side. Is this noticeable within a short period of time or does the effect lay dormant and hit you later? I was thinking of the situation where you were building track at the workbench and then laying it onto the layout boards in sections. Rob posted: 26 May 2015 23:22 from: Hayfield undefined The method of using Exactoscale 0.8 mm check rail chairs is the same for both EM& 00-SF gauges. 982_261814_030000000.jpg undefined Thread 2 centre check chairs to the stock rails and both end and a centre check rail chairs to a check rail and cut off a half chair from each check rail chair. 982_261815_170000000.jpg Here you see the check rail with the 3 chairs on and with their half chairs cut off. 982_261816_210000000.jpg Now its slid into place using a check rail gauge, once set glue the half chairs in place. See also on RMweb: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/96646-we-have-a -problem ...
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