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... from The Railway Gazette which I imagine would be a copy of the GWR drawing. Regards, Matt M posted: 5 Dec 2015 21:47 from: Matt M. Hi Mike, There were three types of concrete pot used by the GWR. The basic dimensions are the same at 2ft-0 inches long by 1ft-6 inches wide. 5 inches high. The flat top area was 1ft-7 inches long by 1ft-1 inches wide. At the end of the flat area they have a 45 degree chamfer to the sides which aren't perpendicular but appear to have a slope of up to 5 degrees. The corners are also chamfered from the flat top to the the base. The measurement at the base is 4 inches. All three types used a inch chair bolt. On the type A and B pots these are centred at 11 inches apart. Though the type B could also have them at 12 inches apart. The Type C was experimental and moved the chair bolt holes further to the outside edge of the pot. There ...
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... is right. Not a lot. Ok, am I wrong? Nigel posted: 12 Aug 2019 08:38 from: Martin Wynne Hi Nigel, I did say that the wheel would not drop very far on short-angle crossings. But the drop increases rapidly for longer crossings. Also, there are a few other factors to take into account: The nose of the vee is already below rail level, say by 0.1mm. That will add half of that, 0.05mm, to the unsupported drop. There is a chamfer between the wheel tread and the face of the wheel. Not much, but if we say 0.05mm, that reduces the effective wheel width to 1.95mm for full support. There is a top corner radius on the rail head. It should be a 1/2" scale rad (0.17mm in 4mm scale), but most model rail has a sharper corner, and because it is a radius rather than a chamfer it won't have so much effect. Say 0.05mm before there is effective loss of support. Only on one ...
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... topic: 2175 Joggles posted: 11 Mar 2013 21:47 from: julia Can anyone suggest how to make a Joggle- I am not sure if that is the right term for it, but it's the term used in the 2mm scale track book- in a piece of flat bottom rail? Thanks J posted: 11 Mar 2013 22:09 from: Martin Wynne Hi Julia, Joggles are not usually made in flat-bottom rail because the rail section is too stiff. Most flat-bottom switches use the chamfered style of planing in which the stock rail is machined: 1679_261348_250000001.jpg The above pic from the excellent collection of Michael Davies in the Image Gallery, the large hi-res version is at: gallery/1679/original/1679_261348_250000001.jpg Lots more pics at: http://85a.co.uk/forum/gallery_view.php?user=1679#gallery_top Chamfered planing looks like this (this diagram is for bullhead rail): 1932_021155_110000000.gif The problem with chamfered planing is that it is very difficult to do in model form. Almost all model rail ...
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... The whisky is Aldi's Islay malt which is a damn good buy at less than 18 quid a bottle and the stout cardboard tubes are great for storing plastic strip, handrail rail and the like. Rob Hello Rob Like Stephen I ve not had much problem with them in 4 mm other than the odd one splitting or separating, I should say, so that the two sides were no longer connected. But I discovered that this was due to me not fettling the ends of the rail carefully enough. Once I put a mild chamfer on the web of the rail, all was well! Interesting what you say about the shape not making any difference to the flavour of your whisky. But I think you maybe surprised by how much shape does make a difference. When your thirsty next, humour me, and try it out of some wildly different shapes, a mug a wine glass, tea cup etc and then come back to me and tell me it didn't make a haporth of difference....you might, but I doubt it! Kind regards ...
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... : Only the extreme top corner needs to be a knife edge. The rest of the switch blade can be quite robust at the tip. This is a simple model approximation to undercut planing for use with a plain set: 2_010801_470000000.png As an alternative, you could try this profile: 1932_021155_110000000.gif... which maintains full web thickness for both stock and switch rails and minimises the gauge narrowing problems. Judi posted: 2 Jan 2011 17:10 from: Martin Wynne Hi Judi, Thanks for that. The problem with the chamfered style of planing which you show there is that it is very difficult to do in model form. Almost all model rail section has a significantly over-scale web thickness, which limits the scope for tucking the switch rail under the head of the stock rail. And it is very difficult to make the undercut planed angle on the stock rail head using only hand tools. The angle on the switch rail top, and its height, also need to be precisely matched to the stock rail. I have never seen a ...
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... -crossing> wing and check rails... menu item. 2. Change the end-gap as below: 2_020705_450000000.png The issue is not as simple as it might seem, because the flare length is a prototype setting (entered in inches), but the end gap is a model setting which depends on the track standards in use (entered in mm). cheers, Martin. posted: 2 Apr 2019 14:10 from: Stephen Freeman Unfortunately that's not what I meant. I knew I can bend/chamfer check rails (machined) etc on the checked rail side of the check rail, it's the inside I'd like it do. posted: 2 Apr 2019 15:05 from: Martin Wynne Stephen Freeman wrote: Unfortunately that's not what I meant. I knew I can bend/chamfer check rails (machined) etc on the checked rail side of the check rail, it's the inside I'd like it do. Hi Stephen, That's not directly supported, but it is easy enough to do if needed: 1. set ...
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... :34 from: Martin Wynne davelong wrote: As you've had a look through the rmweb, could I ask whether you believe that the mainline tracks through there in the 80s photos are wooden or concrete sleepers? Hi Dave, Do you mean this picture? file.php?id=69504 I tried zooming in (see below) and I'm fairly sure those are concrete sleepers. Pandrol clips on wooden sleepers require a baseplate and screw fixings -- I can't see any. Also the centre part of of the sleepers seems to be chamfered in the concrete style. Sorry, your Flickr link appears to be truncated and broken. (edit: found your link via your post on RMweb). regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_581_763_stechford_sleepers .jpg 806 posted: 26 Jun 2009 10:30 from: davelong Thanks Martin I wasn't 100% sure about the pandrols, and looking closer at this image and although the sleepers closest to the platform are in shadow you can make out the chamfer on the sleepers. (c) Leekman rmweb thread. file.php?id= ...
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... I feel I'm being pressured into posting stuff before I'm ready. I'm sorry about the formatting and thrown-together look of it. All this old stuff will be reappearing in the Templot Companion in due course, properly updated for Templot2 with new diagrams and videos and explanations. But not yet. p.s. The hobby was massively ill-served by an article in MRJ about 20 years ago which mixed up "straightcut" switch planing with the geometry of straight switches. All switches can be either straightcut or undercut planed (or chamfered or other) regardless of whether they are straight, semi-curved, or curved switches. Martin. red_pointer.gif These notes apply to UK-pattern bullhead track only. Setting the Curved Stock Rail The diagram below shows the position of the set (bend) in the turnout-side (TS) stock rail, which matches the planing angle on the switch blades and is needed to ensure a correct track gauge through the turnout road of the switch. Templot puts a mark across the curved stock rail at the position of ...
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... topic: 644 Clamp-Lock hydraulic switch drives posted: 26 Nov 2008 17:46 from: Martin Wynne Mick Nicholson has sent some close-up pics of the BR Clamp-Lock design of combined hydraulic switch drive and facing-point lock. This is normally associated with FB track, but can also be fitted to bullhead. clamp_lock2.jpg This view also shows the chamfered style of switch planing: clamp_lock1.jpg clamp_lock3.jpg A detailed description of this design is in sections B3 and B4 of this document: Clamp-Lock data From which: clamp_lock_dwg.png Clamp-Locks on the movable K-crossing switches of a double-slip: fb_movablek_dslip.jpg Finally another pic from Mick, of an insulated stretcher bar joint (for track circuiting): insulated_stretcher.jpg Many thanks Mick. Martin. posted: 21 Apr 2010 18:30 from: Jim S-W Hi All A quick pic for you of Colin Craig's 4mm scale clamp lock details clamp%20locks%202.jpg HTH Jim Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your ...
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... crude which seems to have attached itself to the rail. The heel chair is to the left of the gap. Nigel posted: 19 Feb 2019 21:33 from: madscientist Ah ok. posted: 20 Feb 2019 10:57 from: John Palmer Just caught up on this topic. Matt, thanks so much for posting those drawings showing Australian practice; they are quite fascinating and clearly show the extent of the differences between switches constructed with bullhead rail and those with flat bottom rail, right down to the .25" chamfer in the foot of the FB variety to allow it to swing. The attached photo shows the prototype I made about 4 years ago for a NB loose heel switch. Unfortunately I got its dimensions wrong and the tongue is quite a lot longer than the 12' length that was so commonplace on NB lines. The tube through the baseboard carrying the pivot wire is rendered unobtrusive by the simulated heel plate; it would be rather more obvious in the absence of that plate, but not necessarily unacceptable- indeed, it would ...
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... Cheers Andy posted: 12 May 2020 20:07 from: Martin Wynne Andrew Barrowman wrote: So that's how the angles work Hi Andy, Tightening the fishbolts wedges the fishplate between the fishing angles, putting the rail web in tension. Ideally sufficient to ensure that it doesn't become unloaded under the traffic load. Otherwise the bolts would work loose. 2_121622_580000000.png cheers, Martin. posted: 12 May 2020 20:59 from: Andrew Barrowman...and here's the jaws profile I'm using for SMP rail. The slicer will chamfer the lower edge of the inside jaw somewhat. The gap for the web is drawn oversize but it works for SMP rail. The gap under the inside jaw is to make it slightly compliant so that the rail is always forced against the outer jaw. All highly empirical of course but it seems to work reasonably well. A lot of other methods I tried (there were many!) would not hold the rail vertical. 2983_121547_120000000.jpg posted: 13 May 2020 06:15 from: Andrew Barrowman Attached is the .stl for ...
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... 15:03 from: Martin Wynne Hi Andy, Thanks for uploading your file. I'm working on creating approximations to the double-curved vertical 1432mm FB switches. These were used for renewals in the UK between the years circa 1970- 2000. Double-curved switches are not (yet) directly supported in Templot, although they can be exactly represented using partial templates. But I doubt many modellers would want to go that far, bearing in mind that it would only make sense if they are also precision-machining the chamfered planing, and using 1432mm track gauge (18.79mm in 4mm/ft scale). Perhaps a few modellers in the larger model engineering scales. However, very close approximations, within normal modelling tolerances, can be created using single-curved switches. This is something I have been intending to do for years, so thanks for giving me a nudge to get on with it. It will take a day or two, and then I will re-work your track plan using them as custom switches. I'm intending to ...
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... 21:59 from: Martin Wynne Hi Derek, The widest part of the crossing gap is immediately in front of the blunt nose. That's 2 flangeway gaps plus the blunt nose width. Your wheels must be wider than that. For P4 with overscale flangeways that is 2 x 0.68mm+ 0.25mm= 1.61mm. Wagon wheels are usually 5" wide, which scales to 1.67mm, so only just wide enough to span the gap. In fact not quite wide enough if you allow for the corner radius on the rail and a chamfer between the face of the wheel and the tread. If you use exact scale wheels you need to make sure not to exceed the specified flangeway gap just in front of the nose of the vee. Here's some stuff I have posted on RMweb a few times:____ The knuckles should be radiused, the knuckle gap being wider than the crossing flangeway gap. Here's a diagram which may help when setting the wing rail knuckles: 2_220535_490000000.png The blue infill shows the theoretical ideal with a sharp bend at K exactly ...
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... from: Nigel Brown In 3mm/ft, where we don't currently have special chairs, what I do is shave the inside of the running rail chair and the outside of the check rail chair until the check rail can sit the required distance from the running rail. With the chairs I use this works well enough. The same method will of course work for the flaired part of the check rail. Re feeding rail onto chairs, remember to apply a taper to the web part of the rail, ie you need to chamfer all the edges which pass through the chair. The last time I used C&L chairs I didn't find a problem. posted: 25 Nov 2014 14:31 from: DerekStuart Thank you everybody for your help. The combined answers from everyone more than answers any questions that I had about checkrails. Being new to this, I am really glad that I decided to make quite a few test modules first before embarking on anything more adventurous. PS- Martin, I found a good article last night that you wrote ...
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... fine snips -- 6 of them on every sleeper. The baseboards for the station area in the picture were made using domestic double-skinned flush doors, which have a cardboard honeycomb structure inside. We added 6" deep framing all round them, but without any cross bracing. Elsewhere the baseboards were conventional open-top construction using 9mm plywood. Over the track areas of the baseboards we added a layer of 7mm Sundeala soft fibreboard, which was loosely pinned in place, not glued. Then the 1/8" chamfered cork underlay was fixed to the Sundeala using Thixofix (thixotropic solvent-based rubber contact adhesive). The Thixofix was used as intended as a dry contact adhesive, always coating the cork last because it dries much faster and often needs a second coat. It's best to choose a windy day and open the windows to clear the solvent fumes. The track was then glued down to the cork, again using Thixofix. In this case the Thixofix was used wet as a traditional glue, coated generously on the cork only. ...
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... : Andy G richard_t wrote: But I've had to take a fair bit off the inside of the fishplates to accomodate C&L rail, and I think I'm going to have a problem with gaps between the chairs and the rails when I get to that stage. I think I'm going to have to apply some Mek to soften the chairs and push them into the rails unless anyone else has any ideas. Richard. With the 4mm chairs I file the end of the rail, not to a knife edge but so that chamfered surfaces are presented to the chair opening, thus easing the opening out rather than trying to barge through. The chairs have a good grip on the rail, you don't want them loose as it will be a pain to lay them correctly spaced, plus the gauge will then wobble in and out as the rail moves in the chairs, may or may not be significant. Andy posted: 8 Apr 2009 22:06 from: Nigel Brown richard_t wrote: I think it's perhaps best to stick with one supplier. Think ...
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... for maintenance? That would give 300+ 49 spaces x 600+ 300= 30 metres rail length exactly. cheers, Martin. posted: 18 Jul 2020 18:53 from: Alan McMillan Hi Martin Thanks again as always for your wisdom. I didn't know I was running Templot "hot" by doing this! Swiss sleepers are actually 260mm wide and there is no gap between the double sleepers at the ends. If you look at the photo you can see they're tight together although these ones are steel and so the chamfer on each one gives the impression of a gap. I've got lots of photos that show this arrangement and it's used extensively in Germany, Austria and Switzerland to my certain knowledge...at least it was until the advent of CWR track. The double sleepers are bridged by a special flat-bottom chair that grips the fishplate and so there can be no gap between the timbers. It does give you a better ride than British track did as the joints are fully supported instead of sitting in the gap between two timbers which ...
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