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... each direction, does the opposite direction have it's transition at the other end and how do you make the tracks the correct distance apart? posted: 13 May 2019 14:40 from: Martin Wynne Godfrey Earnshaw wrote: I believe I understand the reason for transition curves, to ease a train into a curve, usually for passenger comfort: Q1) Should a transition curve occur on the exit of a curve also Hi Godfrey, The main reason for using a transition curve on the prototype is to provide a length of cant gradient along which the rails can rise and fall. Curved track needs to be canted (super-elevated) for safe high-speed running. That means the outer rail is higher than the inner rail. Straight track needs to have the rails level. Clearly you can't join straight level track to canted curved track with a sudden jump in the rail level. A transition curve is introduced between them along which the radius is gradually reduced and the rails can gradually rise or fall. Typically in going from straight to a curve ...
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... 30 Jul 2019 15:39 from: Martin Wynne Hayfield wrote: Branchline which has keys which alternate Hi John, Looking good. The usual rule on single lines was to drive keys "towards the river, towards the station, towards the rail joint". That means the direction in which the keys are driven, i.e. they remain projecting in the opposite direction. So you can use the main-line version (the right way round) on single lines in those cases, "the river" meaning down a gradient, "the station" meaning where trains are braking or accelerating. On level single track, keys were driven towards the nearest rail joint. i.e. the keys change direction in the middle of each rail length. Is that what you mean by "alternating"? I have never seen keys alternating from one sleeper to the next -- that would be a pain for the gang to keep tight, swinging the hammer in opposite directions for each one. cheers, Martin. posted: 30 Jul 2019 16:51 ...
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... ? Howard posted: 26 Jan 2009 18:22 from: lippydavies Yes some recently removed from Conisborough where one sided. Lee posted: 28 Jan 2009 11:43 from: Martin Wynne Howard wrote: Did some catch points only have blades on one side? Hi Howard, With a single blade it is called a "catch point". With two blades it is a "set of catch points". A trailing single blade catch point is most often found used as a "runaway catch point" in a rising gradient on double-track running lines. It is sprung in the open position and closes by the action of the wheels. After each wheel has passed, it springs open again. This means that if a coupling fails on unfitted vehicles, they will be derailed to prevent them running away back down the gradient. Obviously it is always on the cess side of the double track, i.e. for left-hand running it is always a right-hand switch. Such sprung points can't be used on a single-track ...
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... site. Main line and sidings were on different levels, and all connections had therefore to be packed into the short length where they coincided." Not to mention tandem turnouts in the Down main: crewkerne1250_1.jpg That trackwork would make a fine model. It would look even better all on a gentle curve of course, but you can't have everything. Often on OS track plans the track levels aren't obvious, so the reason for some formations being the way they are isn't always clear. But this being a railway plan has the gradients marked on it, so it was clear that the differential levels had influenced the cramped yard access. The ruling gradient is 1:80 rising to the west, easing to 1:250 through the station (between the prominent arrow marker at the eastern end of the goods shed and a fog hut just beyond the road bridge). Not shown on the scan is a trailing crossover beyond the road bridge. regards, Martin. posted: 30 Sep 2008 22:35 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rodney, I have ...
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... to make sure the spacing between tracks is right and coaches won't hit each other? My friend though there was some tool in the past but we cannot find anything. 2) can anyone say for an ex-Midland route what the correct spacing for two and four track layouts is? Also is the spacing different in shunting yards? What gap do people leave for semaphore signals etc. 3) part of his layout will be a double track going under another pair of tracks. I don't think there is anyway to show gradients so is it just a case of letting the lines crossover each other? Is there any suggested or preferred way of doing this or doesn't it matter? 4) I see from another topic on here that baseboards can be shown, how can curved boards be shown? Also we will cut out the trackbed from plywood when we've got it sorted. Is tee away to show an outline of the extent of the 'live railway' ie a foot either size of the sleeper ends, so that we cut the ply right? ...
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... of radius are more noticeable. A transition curve is then a good way to disguise the severity of the curve and improve the running qualities, even on the flat and in situations where the prototype would use fixed radius curves. Also in Templot, transition curves are used as a means of linking a smooth curve between existing templates, using the make transition function. More about all this here: http://templot.com/companion/link_existing.php Turnouts are not usually installed in a transition zone because of the rising/falling cant gradient. That introduces a twist in the track which makes it all but impossible to install workable switch blades. But they can be installed where there is a fixed amount of cant, using two-level chairs. For example where a branch line makes a junction with a fast canted main line. In such cases there would be a severe speed restriction over the branch divergence, because of the adverse cant. In Templot you can insert a turnout in a transition zone if you wish, again for purely model reasons of lack ...
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... as you can use them as current feeds. DCC? (Non controversial mode engaged?). I find it difficult to believe that anyone would start a layout now that was not DCC. Regards Brian Lewis Err, yes n no Brian. I actually build stuff in 16mm:1ft 1:19 scale narrow gauge most of the time and it is all either radio controlled using conventional R/C equipment using up to six channels or it's a case of letting the thing go after some pre-judgement about speed and gradients and setting the regulator carefully. I have 2 diesels and 2 live steam locos operational at present and a large rack tank under construction. Completely avoids the problem of track circuits. Signalling really has to be adhered to and gradients seriously impede load and speed. The one thing that we do have in common is the buildup of muck on the rails which in my case is a mixture of fine dust, steam oil, leaves and bird muck! Takes some shifting if left for too long. And blackbirds are a real ...
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... topic: 3723 Under Construction posted: 25 Jul 2020 03:26 from: Andrew Barrowman Latest thinking on my glorified roundy-roundy. (It's still very sketchy.) I had planned to avoid any gradients but the reversing loop works better that way. The up gradient should be better than 1:120 2983_242221_590000000.png Attachment: attach_3115_3723_newshop00_2020_07 _24_1849_15.box 76 posted: 29 Jul 2020 05:29 from: Andrew Barrowman Added storage to the reversing loop. Should be able to accommodate eight decent length trains. Everything else needs to be reconnected Attachment: attach_3118_3723_July28.box 74 posted: 4 Aug 2020 05:49 from: Andrew Barrowman At least everything is connected now. As this one shows all the rails and timbers your screen refresh might be a bit slow. Hide the timbers if it is. Attachment: attach_3120_3723_Aug3a.box 51 posted: 1 Nov 2020 06:11 from: Andrew Barrowman I'm not sure what to do about the turnouts for the storage loops at the back of the layout. They will be "off stage" and constructed from Code 72 FB rail on ...
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... This uses gravity as a protection against vehicles running away, in addition to any trap/catch points. In open country the running lines are usually individually canted, especially where tracks pass through overbridge arches or other limited clearances. Unless they are widely separated this obviously makes it difficult to have a normal crossover between them. For areas of such connections, the cant will either be reduced to flat (with a corresponding speed limit) -- this is the most likely arrangement through stations where most trains will be stopping. Or gradients will be introduced to raise the outer (or lower the inner) track, so that the superelevation is in a single plane across all tracks. This means there is likely to be an adverse cant when negotiating crossover roads, and such movements will have a severe speed restriction. There will then be a gradient down into the goods loop, which should properly be spaced at least 10ft way from the adjacent running line (15ft-2in centres). In the case of running line junctions, special two-level chairs ...
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... now the scene is empty and boring. Tomorrow I will try again around 4pm UK time and post a screenshot. cheers, Martin. posted: 17 Oct 2018 23:55 from: Matt M. Hi Rob, I have to admit I've given up on moving the slider around on long videos. It takes forever to sort itself out and the loading circle is annoying. Internet connection here is average. Matt M. posted: 17 Oct 2018 23:58 from: Rob Manchester John, As you may note the gradient is downhill to the left of the screen- hence the trucks moving left to right on the freeway are much slower paced. The trains moving downhill are using the dynamic brakes to keep the speed down to a safe level- those are heavy trains! Dynamic brakes use the axle traction motors to brake the train and dump the power into big resistor grids which are in turn cooled by roof mounted fans. If it were an electrified railroad the power generated could be fed back to power other trains. Rob posted: 18 ...
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... To select a new group for saving, a quick way is to use the marker colour -- group> create smaller group> group by marker colour... menu item. In addition, Templot has template tagging functions -- you can add tags to all the members of a group and then quickly reform that group later as needed. group> add prefix tag to names... menu item. Templates can have multiple tags so that they can be in several groups. For example you might want the linking gradient tracks from the terminus group to the running loops group to be in both groups, so that they are always on the screen when you are working with either group separately. Or they could be in their own separate group, and added in conjunction with the others as needed. Once you get the idea it is all very flexible and convenient. But the Windows Document Model it ain't. regards, Martin. posted: 13 Dec 2015 10:39 from: Gordon S Thanks as always, Martin, for such a ...
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... topic: 3254 Crossing angles posted: 6 Apr 2018 16:32 from: Charles Warr I am planning to make a common crossing filing and assembly jig by milling grooves in a steel plate. In order to set the job at the correct angle on the miller I need to know the crossing angle expressed in degrees and minutes. I had assumed that like road gradients back in the good old days the ratio would be one unit vertically for x units horizontally ie the tan of the angle. However reading Iain Rice's book "Finescale Track in 4mm" he shows a diagram which uses the sine of the angle. Actually there is almost no difference between the two eg 3 minutes for a 1:8 crossing but I might as well get it right. Assistance will be appreciated. Regards Charles posted: 6 Apr 2018 16:42 from: Martin Wynne Charles Warr wrote: I need to know the crossing angle expressed in degrees and minutes. Hi Charles, ram_angle_diagram.png clm_angle_diagram.png Templot uses RAM by default. More explanation here: message 2081 To convert ...
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... :12 from: Rob Manchester Hi Richard,...Old Trafford, Stretford, Dane Road...Altrincham How much space have you got? Plan is looking great, look forward to hearing of your progress. Rob posted: 23 Aug 2019 10:40 from: richard_t Well yes. I've been watching too many tours of US layouts, some of which are multi-level, so.... The circle on the upper left could be a helix (min. radius 1250mm, 1 in 52 gradient with 150mm between tracks), and then on the lower level I could have Ashley/Mobberley/Knutsford/Plumley* under Cornbrook, a scenic break, and something near to Chester Northgate (which also stayed open in my world), under Central. Leaving space for a workbench under Oxford Road.* One of the stations at least, between Northwich and junctions nearly Timperley so I could have some passing freight traffic. The room hopefully will be 14m by 7m ignoring the porch, and the utility area for the ...
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... are much much slower than the others- hence should be used with care (when called millions of times). I think it may be even more critical with your 'extended' 80bit precision representations. There are several places in aq25offset() which have 'divide by constant' calculations. These can be turned in 'multiply by inverse'. The idea is to create 'local constants' that are calculated once and used often. For example, (line 83) k:=ARCSIN(x /rto); // and gradient angle. The value of rto assigned at line 51 (within do_turnout_curve()), rto:=tradius-g /2; Now, tradius is a gobal variable, as is g and neither of these is altered by turnroad_cl() or aq25offset() hence we can consider rto to be a local constant. Then 'rto' is used in: ABS(rto), SQR(rto), SGZ(rto) [what does SGZ() calculate- I didn't recognise that one, and Google ...
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... asking for trouble? My latest project (see Share& Show) has a number of transition curves. I was thinking of moving the entry to the turntable/engine shed further round to the right but this would mean that the turnout was in a transition curve. Hi Scott, There is no problem on a model, provided you build it flat. The problems relate to the prototype, where transition curves are normally canted (superelevated). The main purpose of the transition zone is to provide a space for the cant gradient, in which the outer rail gradually rises above the level of the inner rail. That means there is a twist in the track along the transition zone, which would cause problems with moving switch blades. For this reason it is almost unknown for a turnout to be inserted in a prototype transition. If your entry to a shed is not canted, no such problems apply. On the prototype it would be very unusual to employ a mathematical transition for the entry to a shed. We use model transitions in such locations ...
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... really but the lower loop back isn't on realy as it's down to 10" redius! Alan posted: 7 Jun 2007 22:43 from: Jim Guthrie Alan Turner wrote: === It's all tight really but the lower loop back isn't on realy as it's down to 10" redius! == Maybe do the same with the lower loop back as you've done with the upper one and the lower junction station becomes a junction with three lines leaving to the right. I haven't even started trying to work out what gradients you might get away with :-) Where's Cyril Freezer when you need him? :-) Jim. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Templot talk> Bit of Info please about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners Please click: important information for new members and first-time visitors. indexing link for search engines back to top of page Please read this important ...
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... and seperate shared exit on the goods lines. The engine shed area exit is controlled by a ground signal operated from the Station Signal Box. All other turnouts in this area are then switched by ground levers. This layout could always have something, with a purpose, happening and be fun to operate for 1-4 operators. It shall be DCC with the option for computer control. Signalling I have attempted to put together a signalling plan. I found that I would need to construct a gantry across the station throat. Gradients The station area will be level. The main line will fall 1:20 leading to a looped fiddle yard and the branch line will rise 1:20 leading industry and a small branch line station. Period and Region 1950-1967. LMS/Southern Known Shortcomings in Track Plan Timber shoving and check rails to be carried out. My request to you Could you please comment on the plans? I have found, through past experience, that unless I consider all these aspects of planning first, I would end up ...
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... to build it. The advantage is that you have all the functions to curve and align it, peg it onto other templates, or onto the grid (via the notch), etc. Martin. posted: 3 Nov 2015 15:19 from: Gordon S Thanks Martin. My latest layout plan is basically several parallel loops with a reverse curve allowing trains to run from a terminus out and back. This corner is where I'm working. The outer single lines are the return loop and are on a 1:100 gradient. The inner double track is at a constant height of 118mm above the datum. This corner consists of three boards that I am working on as a unit, although each are independently removable. I will be building three separate trackbeds, which are vertically independent, but I will need to maintain the track centres. I use groups to highlight the track, but of course the ends of the track do not align themselves to the baseboard sizes (maybe I could do that? .....hmmm) so my trackbed ...
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... main radius is at or around 36" radius but drops to about 19" in one or two places with crossovers between two concentric curved tracks. The crossing angle is 1:9. There are three stations- the lower station a ground zero in the top right area, the mid level station with its yard at the bottom and the high level station with its sidings at top left. The hatched area in the centre is hidden and there are hidden sidings there which completely circle the inner side of the baseboards. The gradients will be about 1 in 50 and upwards and the style will be North American. The track standards are FS160 which is 2mm Association standards at 9mm gauge. Jim. Attachment: attach_429_649_circle_layout_08_11 _28_1121_25.bgs 302 Last edited on 1 Dec 2008 19:18 by Jim Guthrie Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> Forums> Share and show> Roundy-roundy about Templot Club Templot Companion- User Guide- A-Z Index Templot Explained for beginners ...
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... rail stops short of an extended check rail -- as in the GWR design which I posted earlier. The photographer obviously felt brave enough to go up on the footbridge! Notice some timber shoving in the foreground. Here's another pic of the same: Castle_Cary_catch_points_- _01.jpg *Templot is about track so we'll use the traditional p.w. term "catch points". Nowadays the S&T dept. and the rule book call these "trap" points -- trailing "catch" points are the ones used on gradients. regards, Martin. posted: 14 Feb 2008 14:38 from: rodney_hills Hello, Another 'catch point' photo just spotted on RMweb inter alia something else: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/download/file.php?id=5233 From this page: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f =7 &t =17768 scroll to stob11.jpg at end of longish page ~~> some modern FB 'trappage' at Willesden Jct. Regards, Rodney Hills posted: 16 Apr 2008 06: ...
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