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... by whatever is your chosen method) to those sleepers, then if that piece of trackwork is removed from the jig and subsequently curved and placed over a curved Templot Template then can anyone tell me if the Sleepers will now match the positions on the curved template Brian In the real world providing the outside rail (of the curve) is the rail soldered first then the sleeper spacings will be correct. This is based on a standard 60 foot track panel. The inner rail (of the curve) would have to be suitably shortened to maintain square rail joints at the end(s) of the panel. Templot should reflect the resultant sleeper spacings on a curved template but I do not know if this is the case. Derek posted: 15 Mar 2010 20:00 from: Martin Wynne Dellboy wrote: Templot should reflect the resultant sleeper spacings on a curved template but I do not know if this is the case. Hi Derek, Unfortunately no, it doesn't. You are correct that the sleeper centres should be measured along the long rail on ...
... the crossing angle, here I set 1:4.5. Select the longest switch available. This is a temporary suggestion until gaunt turnouts are available in a later pug. (I will expand on this separately.) I set a 30ft straight switch. Change the V-crossing to "curviform" so that the radius on each side can differ (this is important). 5. 04:00- 04:55 This time run the peg along the main-road crossing rail. Omit the unwanted rails, and shorten template to a more convenient length. 6. 04:55- 05:20 Align it onto the 2nd turnout at the peg. It is likely to be facing the wrong way, so dab the Multiply key to correct that. (This works whenever the peg is already on the notch.) 7. 05:20- 06:25 Zoom in and snake it into position until the f.p. marker (white cross) is exactly aligned over the intersection in the underlying rails. Then put the peg there ...
... fine tuning of the lead length to fit the site. For example in the above screenshot the irregular diamond-crossing has angles 1:7.5, 1:8.5, 1:10. The 1:8.5 K-crossing angle means the K-crossings will need to be movable (switch-diamond), requiring point-motors awkwardly close to the baseboard joint. By increasing the crossing entry straight (see the marker, boxed yellow -- it would normally be near the V-crossing) I was able to shorten the half-diamond a bit. I then snaked (CTRL+ F6) the other half-diamond back into alignment with it. Note that I put the peg on CTRL+ 4 while adjusting the entry straight. The fix will be in the next update. There was a 10-month gap between the last two updates, for no particular excuse that I can think of. I will try to get the next update a bit sooner. regards, Martin. posted: 15 Oct 2015 02:12 from ...
84. P4 test track
... in understanding what you are meaning here. If you are referring to the timbers aligning through the cross overs please be aware that this did not always occur. The important fact was the special chairs at the crossing. These had to be positioned at specific spacings from the crossing nose and the timber locations were therefore determined. The spacings are 2'6" or 10mm in P4 and as Templot places them by default. Thus you should not be shoving the timbers along the turnout at the crossing. What you may need to do is shorten or lengthen them. There are plenty of examples of nearly aligned timbers meeting in the middle of the cross over, i.e. one timber supports one rail of the cross over and the other supports the other rail. You do have to be careful to also account for check rail chairs, particularly the end ones which are angled for the flare and therefore also have their locations fixed. If I'm not barking up the wrong tree and this isn't clear then I should be able to knock up a sample 'non-aligned' ...
... ) and plans I wish to do. On that basis then it seems practical to only learn one. The principles of using Templot, I would of thought, are the same for N Gauge as it is with OO Gauge Peco Streamline. What you have given me is the chance to try Templot out so thanks Bill posted: 10 Jan 2019 15:18 from: Martin Wynne Hi Bill, You mentioned chopping templates back to the end of the check rails, and to the switch toe (point blades). To shorten a template to the end of the check rails, use the F4 mouse action. The next template can then be snapped directly onto the end of the main road using the SHIFT& JOIN F7 button. For the turnout road, you need to put the fixing peg on the TOLP peg position and snap the next template manually using the notch, or use the peg/align tools> snapping functions onto TOLP. Alternatively, instead of F4 you can adjust the main road and turnout road exit lengths independently, and you ...
... done myself to see if I could. I would appreciate any faults or issues being pointed out as I am convinced there must be something I have overlooked. Trevor. Attachment: attach_1766_2410_tandemgroup_2014 _02_19_1745_57.box 329 posted: 19 Feb 2014 19:03 from: Martin Wynne Hi Trevor, Looking good. A couple of points: 2_191341_580000000.png There isn't room for wheel flanges on the running rail at A. To be safe in 00 you need about 2 rail-widths clearance, or maybe a bit less in EM/00-SF. Shorten the flare length and/or rail length and/or change to a machined flare on this check rail end to clear: 2_191353_230000000.png The same applies to some extent at B, although just shortening the length a little should be enough. regards, Martin. posted: 19 Feb 2014 22:42 from: Trevor Walling Hello, I had a bit of difficulty removing rails on background templates where they cross the crossings in the overall template.I think I have done it now though. Attachment: attach_1767_2410_Feb19RH_Tandem.bo x 309 posted: 19 ...
... a common heel position. 2_280950_180000000.jpg The full-size scan can be seen by viewing this in the Image Gallery or by clicking: gallery/2 /original/2_280950_180000000.jpg I used the longer 18ft switches in the design because you want to put the whole thing on a sharp curve. Curving this as it stands would create too sharp a radius. Alan, you might like to try changing the inner one to 15ft, and then aligning it on a common heel position with the outer 18ft switch. The switch front can be shortened if necessary, as in the drawing. One big problem with three-throw turnouts is that they often result in the V-crossings being opposite each other and therefore not properly checked for the middle road. That's just about acceptable for a straight turnout, but not a curved one like this. Derailments would be inevitable. That's why I used different crossing angles in each road, so that the V-crossings are sufficiently staggered to make room for the check rails. Richard, when you build this, it's essential ...
88. Shoving Timbers
... topic: 947 Shoving Timbers posted: 1 Oct 2009 13:04 from: adj Does anybody know of anywhere I can find any information on shoving timbers? In particular I have a turnout adjacent to a single slip as in the screen shot and I'm not sure what to do. Should I move the timbers (though I know key timbers cannot be moved) or should I shorten the timbers on the slip and the turnout. Btw, these are FB turnouts circa 1983. Cheers, Adriano 162_010803_080000000.png posted: 1 Oct 2009 20:18 from: Jim Guthrie adj wrote: Does anybody know of anywhere I can find any information on shoving timbers? In particular I have a turnout adjacent to a single slip as in the screen shot and I'm not sure what to do. Should I move the timbers (though I know key timbers cannot be moved) or should I shorten the timbers on the slip and the turnout. Btw, these are FB turnouts circa 1983. Cheers, Adriano 162_010803_080000000.png Adriano, You might consider combining the timbering of the ...
... : pimin Version 0.91c on XP SP3 I put together a #8 3-way switch as a simple starting point to practice with (and it might be useful on the club layout??). After watching the 3-way video (about 10k times, I got a V-crossing for where the two turnout crossing rails actually cross. The only way I could figure out to eliminate the crossing under the V was to make two extra copies of each switch and blank one to just past the V and overall shorten the other one. Then eliminate the crossing rail from the third copy. That works but, it seems really messy. The video didn't show how to do that. Is there a better way to do this? This has probably been covered before but, I couldn't find it. I probably didn't use the right verbage to identify the problem. Apologies if I'm stumbling over some "obviously a new guy" problem. Regards, Pimin (there are too many Paul's in here posted: 28 Jul 2008 22:10 ...
... , the current one isn't, so I'll do that when I get round to printing again. posted: 27 Jan 2014 13:04 from: Martin Wynne Hi Roy, You have rather lost me. Could you start again from the beginning and explain what the problem is? Looking at your print, it appears to be a satisfactory double-slip: 2_270757_030000000.png As with all 00 gauge slips, there is a conflict between the slip roads and the K-crossing check rails. The way to deal with this is to shorten the K-crossing check rails and change them to machined flares instead of bent. Click the real> adjust check rails... menu item to make the changes. regards, Martin. posted: 27 Jan 2014 14:42 from: Stephen Freeman Hi Martin, I know it looks OK but if you load Roy's jpg as a background shape etc and then try to fit a Templot template over it, I think from memory, that you will see the problem that using the printer uncalibrated has caused. Stephen ...
91. Tandem turnouts
... is causing too much confusion. regards, Martin. posted: 10 Mar 2014 14:59 from: Martin Wynne Hi Peter, A gaunt turnout with a crossing angle of 1:4.62 and a gaunt offset of 4.7mm appears to fit quite well: 2_100946_000000000.png Note that you won't get a good match at A because that is in the switch curve for the switch of the underlying turnout, whereas the middle V-crossing is in the sharper turnout curve part. For a neat result therefore you would need to split out and shorten the crossing rails from the check rails. Generally I would have used a 9ft switch there instead of the "A" switch which would have eased the radius and probably avoided the need to do that. Also the check/wing rails need tidying up to provide flange clearances and merge with the underlying ones. I will do all this shortly and post again. I'm not sure where you went wrong -- did you remember to change the gaunt turnout to a curviform V-crossing? Did you adjust its main road ...
... 2009 16:09 from: Raymond As Andy says, use the roll function Control F4 and be aware that if it is not moving the sleeper at the end of the length, then you must 'swap end for end' in the Template menu, then it will move a sleeper over the one on the next length. Once you have it lined up properly, one on top of the other, you can use timber shoving to omit one of them. Before you can make good use of it though you need to shorten the lengths using F4 so that that the ends join and not overlap. The curve to end dock does not look too prototypical, have you thought of using a transsision here instead? The back siding look OK to me and if your plan is non to clear, does it really matter? However, you have an A8 there. Try a B8 and then put the, using Geometry, put the peg on TVJP and then Do, 'blank up to peg'. It will a better line and probaly sort out ...
... skew happening in both the positive and negative direction, nothing on the screen happens, although threr were no problems on the others. See the screen shot. any ideas on what I may or may not have done would be helpful or do I have a gremlin? Phil 38_061148_200000000.png posted: 6 Nov 2016 21:49 from: Martin Wynne Hi Phil, Nothing can extend beyond the overall track length of a template, so if you are trying to apply a positive skew to the platform end, it won't appear unless you shorten the length of the platform to make room for the skewed end within the template length. But you should be able to apply a negative skew: 2_061623_240000000.png If nothing seems to be happening when you try that, most likely you have tried to set a large positive skew (even though it can't appear because you are at the end of the template), and you need to move the mouse a long way to reduce it back into negative territory. I maybe need to look again at the working of this. If ...
... especially in pre-grouping days and where operations were complex or space was tight. Fenchurch St and Charing Cross perhaps being examples. My question is: can anyone either upload or provide links to further pics or drawings of this or other examples as I would like to know how it would have been built in practice, especially in terms of the fixing of the end of the check whilst still leaving the switch free to hinge. Just a Templot question: how can I "force" joints to appear where I have artificially shortened the rails- for example between the switch and the crossing above? (I am hoping that there is a better answer than the feared "custom switch" dialogue box- though that of course is exactly what I am creating!) Many thanks, Howard. posted: 19 Feb 2011 10:27 from: Martin Wynne Hi Howard, A pic from the Scalefour Society web site: chairs04.jpg© Scalefour Society Linked from and more excellent pics at: http://www.scalefour.org/resources/trackdetails.html There are details and ...
... flare on the rail head instead. The running rails alongside would normally be bolted to half chairs. Here is a photo from the S4soc web site, showing that: chairs04.jpg thanks to© linked from http://www.scalefour.org You can see that in order to support the special wing rail, the usual cast "B" chair has been replaced with a bolted slab& bracket design. To make these changes in Templot, use the real> adjust check rails... function: 2_032358_100000000.png (You won't be able to shorten the rail until you have first shortened the flare length.) The switch is a standard 12ft straight switch, modified for use by the auto tools> make tandem functions, see template> switch settings... menu item: 2_032358_110000001.png It has the same 1:32 planing angle as the "B" switch, i.e. you can prepare and fit it, and make the set in the stock rail, exactly as for the "B" switch. The modification for use in tandems is to assume a virtual ...
96. This Is It
... : Paul Boyd Wow! You need to trim the top K-crossing check rails on templates 204 and 241 Seriously, that's an impressive plan and you've obviously spent many hours on that. Makes my lack of progress building a couple of small layouts look rather pathetic, really Cheers posted: 6 Mar 2010 11:37 from: Dellboy Well spotted Paul I had not ventured into K crossing check rails but your comment instilled me to have a go and found it quite easy so the K-crossing check rails have now been shortened. Also I have revisited the scissors crossover in the Storage Turntable file and trimmed the overlength check rails I had left there. So thanks for that. Yes I have spent a fair amount of time on this, started to develope the design, initially on paper, then in Templot about a year ago. Unfortunately there are always other 'jobs' that need doing which seriously restrict the amount of time available. However time spent on planning is well worth it as it gives you the confidence in what you are going to ...
... -9 is showing an entry straight of 9ft-8in so that the turnout radius does not exceed the 613ft B-switch radius. The 9ft-8in figure corresponds with the B-9 in the NERA 1926 book. It is important to bear in mind that track on the ground may not comply with the standard drawings after renewals. For example supposing the original turnout was an old NER switch. If it was later being renewed with a B-7, in order to match the existing points rodding it may need shortening to fit. The relaying inspector can do that by increasing the length of the entry straight. Try it in Templot -- SHIFT+ F11 mouse action increases the entry-straight which shortens the turnout, which can seem counter-intuitive until you try it. Likewise a turnout lead length can be increased from the standard length by inserting a straight between the heel of the switch and the turnout curve. However that is not common in the UK and Templot doesn't support it except using partial templates. It is more common ...
... an adjacent track: 68_110636_410000000.png How did it get there? And how do I get rid of it? Attachment: posted: 11 Apr 2010 11:54 from: Jim Guthrie Richard Spratt wrote: I've found a spare sleeper. Originally it was appearing in the middle of a formation, but I've found it is actually attached somehow to an adjacent track: 68_110636_410000000.png How did it get there? And how do I get rid of it? Richard, Might have got there with inadvertantly adding a bonus timber in timber shoving then shortening the main part of the template. You could try calling up timber shoving and getting rid of the oddball sleeper. Jim. Last edited on 11 Apr 2010 11:54 by Jim Guthrie posted: 11 Apr 2010 12:30 from: Richard Spratt Jim Guthrie wrote: Richard Spratt wrote: I've found a spare sleeper. Originally it was appearing in the middle of a formation, but I've found it is actually attached somehow to an adjacent track: 68_110636_410000000.png How did it get there? And how do I get rid ...
... about the make transition function button. and also at: peg/align tools> make transition curve from the control template>? make transition help menu item. So that's 3 separate places containing the information you were looking for. The "make transition" function needs to know the radius of the template. If it's not a fixed radius template, i.e. a transition template, it uses the radius at the peg location. Which further means: If the peg is within the transition zone, the original template will need shortening to that exact position to obtain a proper match with the new template (use the do> snap to peg menu item). What this usually means in practice is that you have to remember to swap the peg to the opposite end to make the transition, and then swap it back again to shorten the original template. Which is not user-friendly and a bit of a nuisance -- it will be changed in the next upgrade. A dialog will ask you which end of the transition template to use - ...
100. I wish it would...
... boundaries to whatever you want. Quite often the initial templates are simply dummy templates to be deleted after the transition template has been extended to replace them, as in this Jing video: http://screencast.com/t /bcL6Uu2uKtM Then you can perhaps insert a turnout in it, roam it to where you want it, and split off additional templates for further work, like this: http://screencast.com/t /2ayrwECC In other situations you may want to retain the initial templates, in which case you would shorten the new transition template to the required boundary, like this: http://screencast.com/t /yx92CFuh perhaps also adjusting the length of the initial templates if needed. In addition there are options at geometry> peg positions> to put the peg on the start or end (length) of the transition zone, after which you can make split at peg if that is more useful. I'm sorry the videos are so scruffy, I'm no longer able to make smooth mouse movements. regards, Martin. posted: ...
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