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141. Panel lengths
... before but I couldn't find by using search. Are there any rules for the situation where a length of plain track isn't a multiple of track panel length. In my case 44'-6" Hi Graham, Do you mean rules in Templot? No. If you mean rules on the ground, each company will have their own rules for the economic use of rail. For example by always leaving usable off-cut lengths. If you need a 14ft rail and have one 17ft to hand, you might think to shorten that one. But that would leave an unusable 3ft length. Whereas if you cut your 14ft from a fresh 44ft length, you would have a usable 30ft rail remaining. However, the general principle is that you cut the rail to fit and drill two new fish-bolt holes. The sleepers will then be closed up towards the joint, 12" to the first sleeper and then mostly by eye in the remaining space. cheers, Martin. posted: 25 Jul 2020 14:36 from: Graham Long Martin ...
... into position. There is a good drawing of a sleepered turnout in the NERA 1912 book -- this is an NER sleepered crossover: 2_080435_300000000.jpg thanks to Mick Nicholson for the pic But you need the Scottish designs for Kyle. Change the timber width to sleepers (usually 10"), and all the timber spacing settings to half their usual values, so that you get double the usual number of timbers. This would avoid adding bonus timbers one at a time -- but they would still need shoving into position, and shortening to sleeper length. There is a lot of discussion and links (not all now working) in this old topic (3 pages): topic 401 regards, Martin. posted: 8 Sep 2020 21:51 from: Julian Roberts Hi Martin Many thanks again. The link discussion gives me much food for thought. My initial reaction is I might try and do it by eye based on it and your information above. All best Julian posted: 8 Sep 2020 22:04 from: roythebus Sounds like a cunning ...
... (and with the wider joint chair), although that puts it mostly in the pre-group era (but lasting on existing track well into the grouping) and not for all companies. By 1926 the LNER drawings say "Special joint sleepers 12" x 5" may be used where the formation is soft or where the traffic is specially heavy and fast". So not so likely on the typical 1950s branch line. But such lines often have rails shorter than 60ft (typically 45ft), so easily modelled by shortening the base and cutting off the 12" sleeper. Templot can print the rail joints with 12" joint sleepers if you set the 12" joint width at real> timbering> timbering data... menu item. 12" joint sleepers were often used close together with short 2-bolt fishplates, which I can't remember ever seeing modelled, and would be easy to do with these bases. cheers, Martin. posted: 26 Sep 2018 13:49 from: Hayfield Martin Sorry to disappoint you but standard 00 ...
... : 2_191158_010000000.png Ask again if you get stuck. cheers, Martin. posted: 19 Mar 2018 18:59 from: Martin Wynne Charles Warr wrote: Unfortunately using the single slip crossover did not give a slip to the siding so I used the double slip command and wiped the slip road and switches not needed. Is this legitimate? Hi Charles, Anything is legitimate on your own railway. However, that will have left unwanted extended timbers on one side, and depending on the crossing angle the check rails may have been shortened unnecessarily. Sorry I didn't read your first message properly. A slip road on the outside of a ladder is not so common on the prototype because it generally means a facing switch in the running line. But maybe I need to add that option anyway. To get what you wanted, do this: 1. start with the turnout. 2. click tools> make ordinary crossover menu item. 3. click template> convert turnout to half-diamond menu item. 4. click tools> make slip> make ...
145. Tandem
... 3rd Vee will work in this tandem and would much appreciate someone confirming or otherwise please. Attachment: attach_2369_2953_Tandem.box 155 Last edited on 20 Dec 2016 14:25 by Raymond posted: 20 Dec 2016 14:42 from: Martin Wynne Raymond wrote: I am not sure if the wings rails for the 3rd Vee will work in this tandem and would much appreciate someone confirming or otherwise please. Hi Raymond, There wasn't proper clearance for the wheel flanges on the adjacent running rail. Easily fixed by changing to a machined flare and shortening the rail a little: 2_200940_000000000.png real> adjust check rails... menu item. There is photo of a tandem with such a wing rail on the Scalefour Soc web site: chairs04.jpg linked from: http://www.scalefour.org/resources/trackdetail/chairs04.jpg http://www.scalefour.org A special slab& bracket "B" chair has been made up for it. regards, Martin. Parts of Templot Club may not function unless you enable JavaScript (also called Active Scripting) in your browser. Templot Club> ...
146. tandem turnout
... from: Martin Wynne Hi Simon, There is no need to increase the wing rail length by much, but it does need a small amount of flare. Likewise there is no need to change the switch size for special formations such as this, if that is the only size which fits. GWR crossings often used 14" wide timbers for the "A" timber which makes it easier to fit the chairs on a skew. The long machined flare on the check rail looks unlikely for bullhead -- there is room to shorten that check rail quite a bit. regards, Martin. posted: 1 Jan 2015 10:56 from: Simon Dobson Thanks Martin S posted: 4 Jan 2015 22:28 from: Simon Dobson Built it. Photos and discussion at post 116 in http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/79052-porth-dinllaen-in-0 /page-5 #entry1728570 Comments particularly regarding securing timbers to the rails, and stretchers, are most welcome Best Simon posted: 4 Jan 2015 23 ...
... a fraction longer and smaller radius, I think I would prefer it for the easier deflection angle of the longer 10ft switch. But neither of them are going to look very good in a running line. Short 1:5 turnouts are normally found only in yards and sidings. How much space do you have for something longer? If you have several turnouts in succession can you merge two of them into a tandem? Running line turnouts are not usually shorter than about 1:7.5 Changing to a regular V-crossing will shorten the length and reduce the radius from a generic V-crossing of the same angle. But it may then allow a flatter V-crossing angle in the same length as before. Which will be generally helpful for a crossover, especially for long bogie vehicles. What this boils down to is that we can't answer the question without more information about the space available and traffic using these crossovers. regards, Martin. posted: posted: 3 Feb 2017 14:03 from: madscientist Thanks Martin, its a modern irish ...
... check rails dialog above. regards, Martin. posted: 22 Feb 2017 22:54 from: Rick G'day Martin: All that you say makes perfect sense. I think it became clear to me very early on when first setting up the geometry of my proposed On30 turnout template that it would have to be pretty close to final specs before an entire switching layout was designed around it in order to avoid this exact problem. However as I've progressed I realised that the check and wing rails were too long and needed to be shortened up... hence looking for an option to change the turnouts already created. I will use the wing-rail and check-rail dimensions dialogue to set up my turnout properly as suggested. I will learn how to use the align tool to overlay the amended template onto the offending ones and replace them. Thanks again for the time to answer my question. A perfect answer. Best regards, Rick I think that Templot is brilliant. posted: 22 Feb 2017 23:03 from: Martin Wynne Hi Rick ...
149. Timber shoving
... topic: 2986 Timber shoving posted: 23 Feb 2017 12:49 from: RK Hi all,Im slowly getting the grasp of Timber Shoving, but I'm a little confused/baffled/not got a clue(!) as to which timbers should be shoved and/or rotated, and which should be shortened/lengthed or kept separately. I don't have access to the PC laptop at the moment, so I've just taken a snapshot of the printed plan on my phone- shortly after realising I haven't shoved everything! Can anyone give me some advice as to which timbers should be left as two separate ones, and which one I should start combining the two into one and pushing/rotating? Any advice would be appreciated. This picture is the left hand side of the crossing. Rich Attachment: attach_2390_2986_IMG_4951.jpg 534 posted: 23 Feb 2017 12:50 from: RK And this one is the right hand side of the crossing, i.e. in reality sits ABOVE the previous picture Attachment: attach_2391_2986_IMG_4953.jpg 489 posted: 24 Feb 2017 03: ...
... -2017-03-23-at-16.27.19.png posted: 23 Mar 2017 18:50 from: Phil O The way I would go ab out the diamond is to make a copy of one of the roads and insert a half diamond and adjust the overal length to bring the 'V" into the correct place and then use the F9& F10 buttons to get an exact fit, once happy use tools make diamond and then use the F buttons again to adjust the fit. I then save those templates and select and shorten the template that I used the copy off to make the exit road and finally select the other template that forms the crosing road, move the peg to some where onder the daiamond and make split, adjust each half in turn to make the other two exit roads. Check out the make single slip video to make the inside slip.The outside slip will need a number of partial turnout templates to achieve what you need. I have not needed to make an outside slip yet and so is outside of my experience. Best of ...
... I can see what you are trying to do. If you want a return curve with an intervening straight section, there are various ways to do it. For example: 2_191341_590000000.png 1. set the required TS adjacent track spacing and make an ordinary crossover. 2. extend some approach track on the turnout (F3), and then tools> make split> make plain track turnout road> on external geometrical radius. 3. on the original turnout tools> make branch track. Use peg/align tools> extend/shorten to meet to set it to the exact length. Alternatively, you could use the make transition functions. That gives you more control over the radius, and would allow a turnout to be inserted in it and roamed into position. More about that method at: http://templot.com/companion/link_existing.html regards, Martin. posted: 19 Apr 2017 19:32 from: Panos Tsirigotis Thank you Martin. With the ordinary crossover function I got the idea. Kind regards Last edited on 19 Apr 2017 19: ...
... MF standard, so you can safely build curved turnouts as long as you like. The note about switch blades is also misleading. They are no longer in a curved turnout than in the same sized straight turnout. It's true that if folks draw simple curved templates by hand using tangential radii they will create some unnecessarily long thin switch blades. This also happens in the Trax program for example in creating curved turnouts. I often see curved turnouts on exhibition layouts where the switch blades are far too long and could sensibly have been shortened if prototype designs had been followed. If you create your curved turnouts for 0-MF in Templot, you won't have any problems. See for example: http://www.westernthunder.co.uk/index.php?threads/heyside-7mm-l -y -late-50s-early-60s.552/page-62#post-118358 (70 pages). regards, Martin. posted: 2 Jun 2017 14:43 from: Martin Wynne p.s. Dave, Having said all that, getting 5ft-6in out of ...
153. Dual gauge turnouts
... . In order to have a common rail for mixed gauge, you must 1. use the same scale for both, and 2. use the same switch size for both. I suggest you change the B-6 to a 12ft-6, matching the 12ft-7. Change the 12ft-7 to a curviform V-crossing. Use F9 to adjust the V-crossing angle on it until the turnout curves align, and the F.P. marker is on the underlying curve. Then use CTRL+ F12 to shorten the turnout road exit to match the crossing entry straight mark on the underlying 12ft-6 template. Using the TEXITP peg position, attach a bit of straight plain track to provide the remaining length of exit rail. On the other hand, if you decide that you didn't want to use a curviform V-crossing (for easier large-scale manufacture), you could set both turnouts to 12ft-7, set the narrow gauge turnout to a generic V-crossing, and adjust the crossing entry straight (SHIFT ...
... Win10 it didn't do it very well and I reverted to 8.1 so it's built in obsolescence is starting to kick in) Thanks for attending to that curve. I was trying to even out a change in radius after that turnout where I initially had a join between two templates. I hadn't noticed it wasn't aligned. I think I'm nearly there with the plan though. Onward! Best wishes Richard posted: 26 Jun 2017 12:12 from: RichardS Well, I think I'm there. I've flattened out the outer line. Shortened a couple of switches and added several transition curves where they looked as though they were needed. I don't think it looks too bad. Radii are all within 916 mm and the two middle loops are 1290 and 1483 mm respectively. Thanks for your guidance as ever Martin if you have 5 mins for a quick look I'd be very grateful. I'm certain your very expert eye will find something though. Kind regards Richard Attachment: attach_2458_3038_Bosmellin_2.box 292 posted: 18 Mar 2018 13:35 from: RichardS Well here I am still ...
... know is that your locomotive will run round 20" curves, and make sure you don't go below that in your designs. In a typical track plan you are likely to need several turnout sizes, from a very short Y-turnout to much longer turnouts where you want them to be curved. I have updated my previous design with your timber sizes. I changed the crossing angle to 1:5 and changed it to curviform pattern for this example. That makes for a typical curvy narrow-gauge crossover. I also shortened the vee rails by one timber, although this doesn't change the geometry. I have set the adjacent track centres for this crossover to 9ft (36mm) although I don't know how typical that would be. It assumes your rolling-stock is no wider than say 7ft-6in? As you can see, the radius is 591mm, well above your limit, but the turnouts are still the same length as the Peco turnout. 2_150818_230000001.png 2_150818_230000000.png .box file attached below. regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_2467_3044_irish_4mm3ft_24_5 .box 197 posted ...
... in mind that two or three sizes are needed at every standard crossing angle, so it's very likely that one having the required rail separation could be found. But it is equally possible that the design office would specify timbers for a curviform crossing in a complex formation at the actual required closed-up spacing. Which is straightforward enough, but would leave a large gap between the last such closed-up timber and the joint timber at the end of the vee rails. It's possible that this gap would be dealt with by shortening the vee rails, but that means a non-standard vee assembly which can't be replaced quickly when needed. An additional timber seems the more likely practice to provide full rail support. So in the next program update I have added a new option for this in the Templot timbering. This is a 1:8 crossing in P4: 2_291459_550000000.png You can see that in the curviform case the X6, X7 and X8 timbers have been moved back towards the vee nose, and an additional X9 timber used to fill the wide ...
157. Elevation
... ? My suspicion is not, but how far out would one practically be? (Piece of string)? regards Dave posted: 11 Mar 2018 13:12 from: Martin Wynne Hi Dave, Templot is neither 2D nor 3D. It is referenced to the rail top, so that the printed output can be used as a construction template. In other words, the length of a turnout is the same regardless of whether it will be laid horizontal or on a gradient. For a 3D representation it would need to be shortened in the 2D plan view if laid on a gradient, like this (gradient greatly exaggerated for clarity): 2_110741_270000000.png Which would obviously make the 2D plan view useless for track construction (but correct for baseboard construction). While the above would be easy to do in Templot for inclined straight track, it gets more complex for the vertical curves top and bottom, and turns into a minefield for curved track and junctions. We are not going there. To create a true 3D representation I suggest exporting a DXF file from ...
158. Check this out.
... topic: 3084 Check this out. posted: 25 Sep 2017 17:52 from: Tony W Recently came across this strange diamond with unequal length checkrails in a video. Answers on a postcard to... 2151_251240_190000000.png Tony W. posted: 25 Sep 2017 18:49 from: Martin Wynne Hi Tony, Here's my postcard. There was at one time a slip road on the right. Hence the extended timbers on the right, and the shortened check rail on the left. Looking closely at the image, I think I can see the far end of the short check rail has a machined flare rather than bent. The near end is too fuzzy to be sure. Admittedly there is no evidence of any former rodding or redundant chairing, and no obvious reason for the very long check rail (8 timbers each way), so it's a stab in the dark. Notice also that the check rail hidden by the windscreen wiper is shorter at the front than its opposite check rail, again for no obvious reason. This diamond may ...
... your existing baseboards. Trying to curve the Tandem would only reproduce what you started with. I think for the moment I will let you have another play and see what you can devise or we could just wind up duplicating effort. Regards Tony. posted: 13 Nov 2017 23:13 from: Tony W Hi Richie. I assume from the silence that you have not made much progress with this. I had an idea which you may find a bit off the wall but may be a solution using gaunt turnouts. This shortens the tandem by removing the switches. What you lose on the tandem you gain on the shed roads. If you can get the traverser to line up with three tracks rather than one it may do. You will however have to arrange separate switching for the crossing polarities. Regards Tony. Attachment: attach_2572_3119_worcester_street _mpd_v_8.box 162 posted: 15 Nov 2017 17:19 from: Richie Kynaston Hi Tony, Sorry for the silence- life really is too chaotic. Im thinking employers should allow time off for hobbies and relaxation! Oh ...
... EDIT: I forgot the links Last edited on 14 Jan 2018 10:11 by Phil O posted: 15 Jan 2018 18:30 from: Andrew Barrowman Thanks for that Phil. A minor defugalty has arisen: 2983_151303_500000000.jpg This is part of a 7.5 4-SF single slip. As you can see the first P chair is clonking into the L1 chair. How might this be handled on the real thing? I could; 1) Ignore it and hope nobody notices (it would print as shown.) 2) Shorten the P chair 3) Bolt on a half chair instead of the L1 4) Other ideas?? BTW, only the inner faces of the rails are shown on the template. All the chair components are referenced to that edge of the rail. Don't be alarmed by the apparent lack of space in the jaws to accommodate the rail. When the rail is positioned in the model it automatically merges together with the chair models. In fact the position of the chairs is not very critical. The most important thing is ...
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