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... topic: 2734 3D Printed Track and Turnouts posted: 9 Aug 2015 05:18 from: Andrew Barrowman Greetings fellow Templotters, As some of you already know, I've been messing about trying to print turnout bases on a 3D printer. It's fairly easy to create a 3D model of the timbers in CAD from any Templot template. It's also fairly simple to drag models of the chairs into the correct positions and orientation and combine them to produce an STL file to drive a printer. What is not so easy is producing 3D models for chairs that a) actually work, and b) don't look too horrible! I think I have reached a point where I'm limited by the printing technology itself. The results are actually a lot better than I thought they might be when I started out. Anyway, I've been making some wild guesses about chair dimensions, and I have not had a lot of luck finding anything on the Web. Any information would be greatly appreciated. (Here's a bit of track I've been using to test the latest chair ...
... : Andrew Duncan Hello Everyone Well I'm back from a great week at Missenden Abbey. Did I achieve my aim of making some significant progress? Well yes I did although I must admit it doesn't look that impressive, but on the other hand building point work with C&L components is not a quick process and my hopes that I might return with a baseboard largely complete evaporated in the first few days there! On the other hand Tony Gee (one of the tutors) showed me how he build the crossings with a simple set of gauges, that allowed me to make my first really reliable crossing (the bit I always find the hardest to do consistently where the wing rails and knuckles line up with point of the V) and that was probably the biggest single move forward for me. Add to that seeing how other modellers do things or just store their tools and materials is an education in itself. So thanks go to Tim, Barry, Pat (who allowed me to borrow and ruin his cutting mat), David, Mark, ...
... other mouse actions which are unaffected by the peg position -- orbit and shift. 2. explain the basics about the fixing peg, but not the notch at this stage. Using F4 to set the length. 3. using F5 and F6 and how the red radius indicator is affected. 4. create a small bit of track plan using the remaining buttons. This will include the basic make tools, so will also need an explanation of stored templates and the control template. That is a concept which is so blindingly simple, and yet seems to be so alien to many. Every single word will have to be carefully judged. The basic methods of making: Double track oval with passing loop and siding (like a Triang train set with a couple of track extension packs) I'm not going anywhere near that, at least not in the short term. Such geometrical work is out of place in Templot, and not straightforward. Beginners don't want to be working straight off with swing angles and the rest if they have got any sense. ...
... control panels, electrical diagrams, timetables, locking charts, and similar tasks which need a copy of the trackplan, but not necessarily every timber and check rail. You can of course use the sketchboard as a layout design tool if you wish, but that wasn't its main purpose and I wasn't intending to steer beginners towards it before they have gained some experience of the normal trackpad functions. Whether it should have been a separate plug-in is moot. I do want to keep the download/install side of things as simple and quick as possible, and not get users tangled up in multiple downloads and extras. Thanks for all the comments. regards, Martin. posted: 1 Jun 2012 10:31 from: Alan McMillan Hi Martin The last twelve months have improved Templot immeasurably and I hugely enjoyed using and playing about with the TDV. For myself, the biggest improvements are irregular diamonds, flatbottom rails and mouse action adjustment of check rails. They have made things so much easier and work perfectly to my mind. Given that you have ...
... to Delphi, and I could therefore ignore all the stuff I didn't need. Bear in mind that Delphi is primarily intended for corporate and business applications which display a lot of text and text entry boxes, and reference the data in a complex database structure. None of that was relevant to Templot, so I could cheerfully ignore at least 50% of the developer docs -- and I still wouldn't know where to start in developing a Delphi database or a business-style application. My advice would be to start with a simple but interesting core application onto which you can bolt and unbolt extra features as you dream them up. That way you can learn what works and what doesn't as you go along, without losing the core part as a working fallback. For example, you might start with a program which lays a row of bricks across the screen. Then another row on top of it. Then stagger them in a proper brick-bond pattern, needing some half-bricks at the end of the rows. Then spaces for some mortar ...
... worry about the submerged horses who die of thirst, but I do worry that some of the shouters could be real enthusiasts if they could get to their Ah-ha moment sooner. Hope that helps! Best wishes and keep your pecker up Martin! posted: 13 Mar 2015 10:49 from: JFS Just to follow on from the above. So I am a new user, firing up Templot for the first time, and it has been suggested that I should not start with Crewe. So I will create a simple oval of track as supplied with my Triang Train set with 1m long straights and 1m radius curves. How do I do it? Open templot and set guage to 00 xxx Go to Template> Plain Track. Go to Geometry> Straight Go to Geometry> Template lengths (in millimeters) ...> over type "1000"> Enter> OK Go to Tools> Make Mirror on peg Go to Geometry> Radius and Curving> over type 1000> Enter OK Go to Geometry> Swing Angles (in Degrees ...
... change it, cancel the ladder and first click the template> V-crossing options... menu item. Change the V-crossing type as required. Then click the tools> make ladder crossover menu item again. For a regular ladder set a regular or generic V-crossing. For a curviform ladder set a curviform V-crossing. N.B. If you wish to create a curviform ladder from an initial template having a regular or generic type of V-crossing, do this: 1. tools> make simple crossover menu item. 2. tools> make diamond-crossing menu item. 3. template> V-crossing options... menu item, and change to a curviform type of V-crossing. 4. Adjust the V-crossing angle to create the required radius in the diagonal road (F9 mouse action). 5. tools> make ladder crossover menu item. For more information about V-crossing types, click the button below.____ v: 0.93.a© regards, Martin. ...
... 2013 13:29 from: Martin Wynne Thanks for the kind words. I wasn't really looking for cheering up, I know it's impossible to please everyone. When Templot was paid-for it did bother me if someone said they couldn't get on with it after buying it. That was one of the reasons for making it free to use. I can now adopt a more relaxed "take it or leave it" approach and if someone doesn't like it they haven't lost anything. Of course to me Templot is all very simple and obvious. I have to work hard to see it as others do and put myself at their starting point -- itself a movable feast if ever there was one. But over the years I have asked many times for an explanation of where the stumbling block lies, and never really received a satisfactory answer. If I knew that I would try to change things, providing it didn't degrade any useful functionality. It would be great to get a detailed reply saying "I did X, expecting the result to be ...
... /community/index.php?/topic/55140-west-fraddon-rslrs-workbench-all-new-plan/page-9 #entry1306313 It seems that I am failing somewhere. Perhaps I should just shake my head and move on. Martin....... I don't seem to be getting along very well with these track design programs, not easy to use or understand at all. I tried a free program called AnyRail that allows 50 or so bits of track which was useless but seemed simple if your designing a trainset. Another I tried called Xtrkcad which I didn't have a clue. I have the Hornby HVR programs but they're very primitive and you can only use their components. I found this program called Scarm which seems simple enough a fairly straight forward but taken me a while to grasp, I'm sure there are many different tools etc but I've not figured that out. Eventually looking at these boring track design programs not being able to figure out anything or get it to do what I want makes my brain ...
... to run trains whilst I'm pottering around in the goods yard or engine shed. Conventional DC control as you describe, is what I had originally had and to go forwards, meant going back a couple of steps first. All the turnouts have Tortoise motors controlled by DCC decoders. With 60 turnouts over such a large area, the amount of wiring alone was huge, so decision made and no going back.... I want LED's as I can't see lines or pointers on rotary switches...and I want simple visual mapping where you can see at a glance which incoming line is going to which platform and where it will leave, hence they are my preferred choice. I fully accept it doesn't suit everyone, but decision made.... The box file is attached. The back of the layout is simply four lines, so I plan to move the odd bits of the pointwork towards ET station and not show the back loops on the mimic panel, hence my 3:2 ratio. As the overall length is 5.3m ...
11. Quick-mode
... get very confusing. If you opt to save and use your program preferences, TDV will start in classic Templot mode each time. Revert to trying out the new Quick-mode feature when you have found your way around: 2_180351_050000001.png You can always quickly see which mode you are in -- classic Templot displays an orange T: 2_180351_040000000.png You can quickly swap modes using the shortcut keys -- PAGE UP, PAGE DOWN. Quick-mode is intended mainly for beginners. It makes it quick and easy to build up a simple track plan, but is not recommended when working with multiple partial templates. But it's very handy when timber shoving to swap quickly between several templates. regards, Martin. posted: 19 May 2011 19:52 from: Paul Boyd Hi Martin I thought I'd have a go at Quick Mode- you're right in that I wanted to immediately change to Classic mode! Anyway, I've found a problem in the way background templates are selected, and lost some templates in the process. I've got my new user head on, ...
... really need any of this at present. Like timber shoving, it is a waste of effort adding slip switches and slip roads to a diamond-crossing until the track planning is finalised (except perhaps to check that the radius will be acceptable). Add the slip roads when you are sure the diamond-crossing is not going to be changed. regards, Martin. Attachment: attach_126_228_00bf_dslip7.box 488 posted: 11 Nov 2007 12:09 from: Gordon S Thanks for the file Martin. That will certainly help me in the simple planning stages. Much appreciated. Just one question though. I have opened the file and the slip appears no problem but there is a red light warning on the information panel that the turnout radius is just 18". I'm a little surprised by this. Perhaps you can clarify for me? posted: 11 Nov 2007 16:36 from: Martin Wynne Gordon S wrote: I have opened the file and the slip appears no problem but there is a red light warning on the information panel that the turnout radius is ...
... lot going for it. Model aircraft control tubing is one option but there are others such as just using a wire suspended through screw eyes( maybe there is a better word for them- they are used for hanging net curtain rods on?). People used to use bike brake cables cut to suitable length! You need a spring to bias the turnout one way and use the wire or wire in tube to overcome the spring and pull it the other way. Some form of locking is needed but that could be as simple as a friction device home made with bits of WHY. Turn up some little wooden knobs on the lathe or pop down to Home Depot for some ready made ones. You may have to splash out on a microswitch for switching the crossing polarity though I much prefer the simple approach without servos and circuit boards( and yes I am still a MERG member)- it leaves more time and money to spend on locos, stock and scenery Rob posted: 20 Aug 2020 20:46 from: allanferguson Having lived with the ...
14. Slips
... I have even printed off the instructions from the "how to" site and have followed the instructions to the letter, although I have no clue what tcp or mcp means (training centre point/main centre point ?) My god could you make this any harder ?, two hours later and I still have no single slip. I have the diamond crossing and I've parked the switch heel template but then trying to get the thing to peg where I want it is a complete mystery. Why can't Templot just use a simple drag and drop user interface like any other windows based program?. If any one can offer some advice in simple English I'd be grateful posted: 6 Mar 2011 11:36 from: Martin Wynne sm wrote: I have no clue what TCP or MCP means Hi Stuart, See the "gentle geometry" page in the Templot Companion at: http://www.templot.com/martweb/gs_geometry.htm#peg_positions from which: peg on FP -- Sets the fixing peg at the Fine-Point of a V-crossing ...
... is no use of the notch -- but also no use of F7 snapping. I'm really amazed if you are saying that you created your great track plan using only F7 snapping. Watch that first video again and see how easy it is to create a flowing track plan without ever actually joining anything to anything. This illustrates a major difficulty in writing a manual. There are several different ways of using Templot, some will suit one person, and a different way will suit another. It is extremely difficult to write a simple introductory manual that covers all possible approaches, and there is no way of knowing which one will be best suited for an individual reader. I have in fact tried more than once, and every time it gets bogged down in all the "on the other hands" and "alternatively you cans". The F7 snapping was added rather against my better judgement simply as a beginner's "bridge" from other track planning programs for those used to "pick-and-place" methods. To me it seems the least ...
... : roythebus Well, I suppose it's me either being too old to learn, or having a blonde year, but having spent ages trying to master Templot, I can't even get the crossover I've just drawn to print. I was hoping to be able to rebuild my current layout more prototypically using Templot, but personally I find it extremely complicated to use. I've looked at the videos and it all seems too easy, but reality is different to what is shown on some of the videos. for instance, I make a simple curved crossover on double track. I then try to modify one of the turnouts to get an easier radius, but then another turnout appears at random on the overall plan. I then find I can't print the original crossover, despite going into the template store; there's no print box shown. Has anyone yet written an idiots guide to Templot yet, or is there anyone out there who fancies doing a rather large layout plan? I have a very professionally produced plan by the late Frank Dyer I'm trying to build. ...
... sure you are properly credited. style="BACKGROUND-COLOR: #f8fcff"Hi Martin, First let me say, that I think it is an excellent idea to create a library of shapes for your program Notebook, and I am willing to help in anyway I can. I have attached a sample GIF file of a fictitious water tank scaled at 4mm to 1 foot, that I knocked up last evening. This is not of anywhere in particular, but is just to show you what can be done in a simple drawing package. I will also post a sample of the same building but in Bitmap format, so that you can see just how much colour and detail is lost using GIF format. I can if you wish do such drawings for the group, but would need to be given appropriate line drawings, including what scale to be drawn, of required objects and any colour details that can be given in order to make the object look something of interest, and as realistic as possible, when placed on the layout plan. ...
... solvent to melt the chair into the grain of the ply For the novice the common thought is that soldered construction is the easiest method, so for most novices wishing for chaired track (especially if using ready to lay plain plastic track) the composite method will be the best starter method. For accomplished modellers building the common crossings as separate units should be achievable I use to be one who thought track building could be done by everyone, if they put their minds to it, I have been proved wrong though. What is simple for some is impossible for others. The combination of bridge and standard chairs vary depending on which crossing angle you are using. Special chairs normally use the X, Y, A, B, C and sometimes D& E, and not always in pairs. Bridge chairs are used when 2 standard chairs are too big for the gap. The plans which come with the Exactoscale Turnout kits sometimes vary from the C&L Exactoscale crossing instructions, so sometimes its a bit trial and error. Both closure and exit sides ...
... Jan 2013 10:03 from: CoBo Thank you both- that's a lot clearer now. As I'm hoping to use bullhead rail it was the first of Martin's diagrams that grabbed my attention and, whilst I understand the need for two motors working together but in opposite directions, I fail to see how this can work if both sets of point blades are fixed to a common shared central timber as shown on the diagram- the FB picture is understandable in this respect, ie two timbers, two motors. There's obviously a simple explanation somewhere but I can't see it. Help again please... EDIT: I've managed to make a regular diamond using the 'peg/align' tool (quite simple when you know how) but I fancy a switch diamond- can I alter the regular for the switched variety? Last edited on 23 Jan 2013 10:22 by CoBo posted: 23 Jan 2013 10:20 from: Martin Wynne CoBo wrote: I fail to see how this can work if both sets of point blades are fixed to a ...
20. Despair
... the direction I want to move it"& "I expect the last action to be reversed, I don't expect something else to be deleted"- only when you understand (at a basic level, not in detail) what the program is having to do (in terms of all its backgound calculations, implied above) would you realise that the mouse action (F4) is simply giving you a 'slider' to change a parameter which results in a calculation involving many other parameters. Similarly, 'undo' is not as simple as replacing that paragraph we just accidentally deleted in MSWord- again, it involves re-doing many calculations. If you want to go make track, then just go make track- using radius aids, a limited range of standard crossings and switches, and a couple of track gauges. I believe Martin has stated many times- that is not the intended market for Templot. But if you want to design track that conforms to the design parameters used on the full-sized railway, then Templot is the tool for ...
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