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... topic: 2870 Bullhead rail on stone blocks posted: 15 Apr 2016 09:15 from: LSWRArt On a Railway History course, Dr. David Amos of Nottingham University showed the enclosed photograph of bullhead rail on stone sleepers at Over& Wharton (Winsford, Cheshire) on the LNWR. 2201_150413_300000000.jpg David thought that the bullhead rail had been laid in place of old tramway track, on stone blocks which originally supported fishbelly rail. But when I started to research this it appeared there was no tramway at this location. A local historian (Tony Bostock) has no knowledge of a tramway near the station; and there seems to be no obvious reason why a trammay should be so close to the town. There were extensive salt workings, but these sent the salt down to barges on the navigation by chutes. When the railways came there were works sidings which came directly off the branch lines, not via the station. I found an article in which Paul Hurley says that the LNWR used stone blocks experimentally instead of sleepers, so can anyone else ...
... Whitby. Thanks again for everyone's ideas. posted: 18 Oct 2014 09:14 from: Hayfield Derek You will find Peter very helpful at C&L. As you will be working in P4 and seem to want to do a proper job I would use Exactoscale products. Firstly as the chairs are newer and there for a bit crisper, but mainly because they have the special chairs. (check rail, common crossing,(additional) switch chairs, bridge chairs, obtuse and slip chairs. As for timbers/sleepers I again would go for Exactoscale, either the newer laser cut Ply 0.9 mm or 1.6 mm or in plastic the Exactoscale 1.6 mm timbers, with these plastic ones you not only get more sleepers(62) but the longer ones are much longer at 86 mm, these are perfect for long timbers in crossings and can add up to 14 extra sleepers. Do keep away from the thinner plastic sleepers, as they tend to curl up over time as the solvent thoroughly (months not days) dries out as I think ...
... topic: 1188 Newbie- How to set sleeper size and spacing to match Peco sleepers. posted: 4 Aug 2010 09:58 from: grog_polymer Title says it all. How do I set sleeper size and spacing to match Peco flex track? Regards, Greg posted: 4 Aug 2010 11:27 from: Martin Wynne grog_polymer wrote: How do I set sleeper size and spacing to match Peco flex track? Hi Greg, Easier to answer if you provide the details. How long are the sleepers? How wide are they? How many per yard length? (or metre length?) regards, Martin. posted: 5 Aug 2010 09:29 from: grog_polymer Lots of templot reading today- several aspects cleared up some more questions in other areas to come. Back to the plot... I only had a piece of code 100 to go by but I believe they are the same webbing I went through the real timbers other size part. I only have code 100 track and turnouts at present as that was to be ...
... topic: 2154 Ply sleepers with plastic chairs? posted: 6 Feb 2013 22:59 from: Richard_Jones Hi, Does anyone have experience of sticking C&L chairs to ply sleepers, and whether it is advisable to stain the sleepers first, or after gluing the chairs on? many thanks Richard posted: 6 Feb 2013 23:06 from: alan@york Yes, and they're very robust: I used cheap superglue which was only underneath the chairs, with no seepage. Strictly I used proper wood, rather than ply,- obechi, which is sold in the correct sizes for sleepers and timbers in 4mm. Try your local doll's house emporium. posted: 6 Feb 2013 23:47 from: mike47j I did not like the idea of doing this at first but it others said it worked OK, so I tried it. No problem. I use the C&L ply timber strip and chairs with lots of Butanone (plumbers plastic pipe cleaner) near an open window. I stain the ply with a dark oak wood ...
... topic: 3263 Gauge changing over time using ply sleepers? posted: 1 May 2018 19:57 from: Michael Henfrey I was reading the latest issue of the scalefour news and someone mentioned about a layout using ply sleepers going under gauge after a few years due to using plywood sleepers. Is this something that happens alot? I am making mine to 4-SF so I am hoping it has a little more leniency compared to P4 as I don't want to have to attempt to fix issues with my track after a few years as i'm already going through too many just trying to thread them on lol Cheers posted: 1 May 2018 20:12 from: Martin Wynne Hi Michael, Some confusion there? Injection-moulded plastic sleepers do shrink with age, unless moulded at very high pressure. Plywood doesn't. However it does vary with humidity, expanding in moist conditions and shrinking in dry weather. Unless you start with damp ply timbers, you won't have any problems. It may be worth storing them somewhere warm and dry for a few ...
... topic: 2664 Templot and matching C&L or SMP flexi posted: 31 Mar 2015 13:36 from: madscientist This discussion got going on RMWeb, but its probably better here. What is the best way to set up Templot to match either C&L or SMP flexi, since both of these compromise the sleeper width and spacing I dont think see there are any presets that help in Templot. Did you ever think of putting sleeper length, size and spacing as options for the" gauge" setting. I know this isn't technically correct, but to would solve a situation dave posted: 31 Mar 2015 15:04 from: Martin Wynne madscientist wrote: What is the best way to set up Templot to match either C&L or SMP flexi, since both of these compromise the sleeper width and spacing Hi Dave, Flexi-track doesn't have the closed-up sleeper spacing at the rail joints, so first you need to create a custom plain track setting with constant sleeper spacing. real> plain track options> rail ...
... topic: 2839 sleeper interlacing- Midland Railway stretcher bars posted: 4 Feb 2016 09:01 from: Tim Lee Hi, I am slowly trying to get to grips with the basics. One thing I am struggling a bit with is how to interlace the sleepers after inserting a turn out (see file attachment). Is there a tutorial for this? Regards Tim Attachment: attach_2228_2839_trackpad_screensh ot_2016_02_04_0852_27.png 446 posted: 4 Feb 2016 12:50 from: Martin Wynne Tim Lee wrote: One thing I am struggling a bit with is how to interlace the sleepers after inserting a turnout. Hi Tim, There are several ways of proceeding. Generally you need to shove some of the timbers, and/or roll in a shorter length of rail. For best results that usually means rolling in a full rail and then rolling a bit of it back out. I notice that you are using 45ft rails with 12" joint sleepers. So I'm guessing you are modelling pre-grouping practice? In which case you may prefer to swap the timbering style to ...
... All the best, Brian. posted: 24 Mar 2014 01:03 from: allanferguson The Scottish companies generally, and some of the less wealthy English companies, being mean, almost never used timbers longer than 9' (based on our inability to find any in photographs). I say this having looked at a lot of photographs! But there aren't many pictures of complex trackwork in the pre-grouping period, so we can't say never, only probably never. The use of 12" timbers rather than 10" sleepers was dictated by the need to support the whole of the chair. So an ordinary chair fitted on an ordinary sleeper; but if the sleeper was not square to the track the chair might not sit fully on a sleeper, and would need a timber. Similarly special chairs at crossings, switches, etc were often too wide to sit on an ordinary sleeper. Like I said, we Scots are mean! Allan F posted: 24 Mar 2014 01:39 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Allan, Thanks for the input ...
... topic: 3093 Creating 1990s Flat-Bottomed rail with concrete sleepers posted: 5 Oct 2017 01:55 from: Richie Kynaston Hi All,Thanks to Martyn for adding me to the forum. I'm just getting back into model railways after a fair few years away, just involved with the big railway instead! I'm going to be modelling EM gauge with hand-built track and turnouts using EMGS Code 83 flat-bottomed rail. My plan is to use Colin Craig's components (such as the Pan11 baseplate) on the scenic section to replicate a small part of the electrified WCML in the 1990s. While emailing Colin he mentioned that a things such as interlaced sleepers are a big no-no for concrete sleeped track, which brings me to my question. Hidden fiddle yard track will be copperclad so it doesn't really matter what standard i use for that I guess! How can I get Templot to model the layout and produce the templates based around Code 83 flat bottomed rail on concrete sleepers? What do I need to changed, and indeed, ...
... topic: 2888 C&L Chairs on wooden sleepers posted: 18 Jun 2016 15:32 from: LSWRArt Many years ago I was with a S4 group in Cambridge and we built some track with chairs glued to wooden sleepers. It all looked great until the night before our first show when we decided to slop on some paint and thinners gunk to stain the sleepers. ALL the glue melted and we had a panicked hour trying to simultaneously re-gauge all the track and hold it in position while the gunk dried. So this time in 0 gauge I have been building track with C&L plastic chairs on wooden sleepers. To avoid the risk of the same problem I thought I would do it the other way round. I found some almost black wood dye and put a few coats on the sleepers and then glued the chairs down. It was fine for a few months then chairs started coming loose.At first I thought it was the glue not sticking to the plastic so I tried various different glues, none of which worked reliably, ...
31. Widened Lines
... topic: 1378 Widened Lines posted: 20 Feb 2011 17:21 from: Adrian Marks In his report on behalf of the Board of Trade into an accident on the Metropolitan widened lines in 1892, Major-General Hutchinson gives the dimensions of the sleepers as 10' x 10" x 5" with some (presumably those either side of rail joints) as 10' x 12" x 6". See p.38: http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/documents/BoT_FarringdonStreetKingsCross1892 .pdf I've not seen reference to 10' sleepers on normal track in any period of railway history. How likely is this to be the true length, or is it more likely to be a mistake? Adrian posted: 20 Feb 2011 17:45 from: Martin Wynne Adrian Marks wrote: I've not seen reference to 10' sleepers on normal track in any period of railway history. How likely is this to be the true length, or is it more likely to be a mistake? Hi Adrian, Presumably that's why they were called "Widened Lines"? In ...
... topic: 2661 Sleeper widths at rail joints posted: 29 Mar 2015 00:09 from: Rob Manchester Hello, I can't find the option for wider sleepers at the ends of straight track panels. I want 10" wide in most places but with 12" wide either side of the rail joints. Can anybody <point> me in the right place please? Rob posted: 29 Mar 2015 11:29 from: Ian Allen Rob, "Real" "Shove Timbers". Select timber, then "widen". Ian posted: 29 Mar 2015 13:19 from: Rob Manchester Hi Ian, Thanks for taking the time to reply. I had forgotten that option. Looking at Martin's help notes I maybe don't need the wider joint sleepers for the current project :- "In the pre-grouping era, some railways used 12 inch wide timbers in place of standard sleepers adjacent to the rail joints in plain track." and as I am using 8'6" sleepers for post-grouping it seems that the practice may have ...
... topic: 2225 Merging sleeper spacings in multiple plain track templates posted: 27 May 2013 21:48 from: acoake Hi, I have created a track plan using NER 45ft sleeper spacings. So far- so good. However, due to the track layout, I have had to use multiple templates to get the various curves and straight sections that go to make up the plan. Each template starts the NER 45ft sleeper spacings from the beginning again, with the result that there are some very short panels at the end of templates before the next template starts. Is there any way to merge several templates together so that a consistent sleeper spacing for the full length of plain track can be achieved or to force a consistent sleeper spacing over a group of templates? Any suggestions will be gratefully received. AllenOakes posted: 27 May 2013 21:56 from: Martin Wynne Hi Allen, See: http://www.templot.com/martweb/pug_info_2.htm from which: roll rails functions The pop-up menu for a background template has new functions for rolling ...
... extrusions is being made and hopefully stock will be available at Warley in October 982_250725_410000000.jpg As you can see the track will have keys and available in main line version with keys going in the same direction, or single line with chairs alternating which side the keys are on. Each panel is 30' long 2 back to back make up a 60' panel 982_250726_320000000.jpg A view of the rear showing the breaks in the webbing, the 3D print does not hold its shape as well as plastic extrusions 982_250726_460000000.jpg You can clearly see the first sleeper is a 12" one with a smaller spacing between it and the next 10" one. Two panels back to back give a 60' panel Last edited on 25 Sep 2018 12:49 by Hayfield posted: 26 Sep 2018 08:52 from: Judi R I hope this will have the correctly spaced sleepers for British BH track, closer together at the ends. I was very disappointed to find that the DCCconcepts Legacy BH track had even and compromised sleeper spacings. Judi R posted: 26 Sep 2018 09: ...
... topic: 1075 Fooling around with different methods of track construction posted: 11 Mar 2010 17:44 from: polybear (Apologies if anyone has seen this on RMWeb also) Hi, I'm currently experimenting with different methods of trackmaking, to see what I like best and to learn the techniques. I've previously made a turnout using plastic components, but it wasn't too successful first time round (my fault). I've also been experimenting with Masokits etched brass chairs and pcb sleepers (pretty reasonable, very strong, looks reasonable but does take time). I'm now onto pcb trackwork (very strong, fast, but attaching chairs is a pain because they are too high due to the rail sitting directly on the sleeper). Now I've just tried ply and rivet, which I do like; however again there are problems attaching chairs because the size of the rivet head means the chair half is held away from the rail, even though I'm using the smaller copper rivets with 2mm diameter head. Any suggestions with regard to fitting half chairs to pcb ...
... topic: 2781 Advice for a virgin trackbuilder! posted: 9 Nov 2015 22:11 from: Jubilee42 Hello everyone I have decided to build my own turnouts on my proposed 4mm OO-SF LMS (MR) layout with plywood sleepers and pcb under the vee (frog). I am totally new to this and nobody nearby (in Denmark) builds track! I have spent the last months getting to know Templot, and have now decided that the time has come to take the plunge and actually build something! Here is the plan for the turnout I am going to try: 3033_091632_110000000.jpg There are all sorts of challenges with it for someone like me. For a start, there's a slight curve, and also the turnout worked best as a B-6.75. I have bought jigs from scalefour, but they only do the whole numbers. I am hoping I can file a size 7 and then file it to fit. It's not that I am really concerned about- no doubt I will be when I make it! The questions ...
... ; but if I use OO-BF is that the equivalent, or is it OO-SF? I just need to understand which gauge better meets C&L 16.5mm components (by that I mean standard V's and crossings). How easy is it to modify C&L crossings to be curved? My fear is that I do not have the tools, or the experience to create my own crossings at the moment, but might stand a better chance of modifying the crossing. What are peoples experiences with using plastic sleepers and chairs when creating templates from templot, vs copper-clad? Any other advice or comments for using C&L components in Templot templates would be appreciated. Would just like to say that whilst I am on a rapid learning curve for the software it is fantastic; hats off to Martin! Ian posted: 20 Dec 2011 20:30 from: alan@york Ian: You may wish to read Iain Rice's guide to making trackwork, from Wild Swan publications. Take a quick peek before buying. Ask at ...
... topic: 3756 Inverted sleepering on turnout posted: 4 Sep 2020 21:26 from: Julian Roberts Have I done something stupid? I'm looking at the ends of the sleepers on this turnout. I hope to attach a picture now or soon. The mainline sleepering goes in steps on this turnout, while the turnout road goes smoothly. Normally it's the other way round. I've got this far, sleepers stuck down to template, before noticing it's odd. Have I somehow made a RH turnout on a left hand bend instead of a LH turnout? Or is this how it's meant to look- with a loose heel switch does Templot generate interlaced sleepering automatically and is this what interlaced timbering looks like? posted: 4 Sep 2020 21:41 from: Julian Roberts Two photos on the Gallery now posted: 4 Sep 2020 21:43 from: Julian Roberts 3591_041639_260000000.jpg 3591_041637_320000001.jpg posted: 4 Sep 2020 21:46 from: Julian Roberts Or is it perfectly OK? After all I didn't see anything odd till I'd got to this stage. And ...
... topic: 1424 Wider Sleepers on track panel ends posted: 18 Mar 2011 21:58 from: Rob Manchester Hello, I thought that there was an option in Templot to make the end sleepers within each track panel of wider wood than the rest( 12" v 10"). I see it can be done by using the Shove Timbers part of the program but is it available anywhere else ?? I want to use 30' panels as per one of the standard options in 'Rail Lengths and Sleeper Spacings' but want wider timbers at the end of each panel as well as closer spacing between them. Need to do this otherwise can't use up the 10% mix of 12" sleepers that Brian Lewis supplies in his 10" timber tracks sleeper packs.... Thanks Rob posted: 19 Mar 2011 00:36 from: philchudley Hi Rob This is what I did, although there may be a quicker way: Create a new templot plan, setting the scale (in my case P4) real| plain track options| ...
... and left click. The selected timber turns red, then you can see what the different options do. Previously shoved timbers are shown in blue. Tony. posted: 3 Feb 2012 17:56 from: Katier Thanks Tony, The question about timber shoving is mainly why when and where posted: 4 Feb 2012 13:50 from: LSWRArt My thoughts would be:- Why- to support the rail and its chairs and to keep the rails the correct distance apart. So, for example, you cannot move the sleeper which is located under the crossing nose which must be supported there, although you can rotate the sleeper to a different angle, which you might need to do for a crossover where the sleepers have been extended to cross both tracks. Why would you extend a sleeper across both tracks at a crossover? One answer might be because if you butt up two short sleepers a chair would be sitting on the joint. You also need to support the chairs for parts of the points such as check rails, so you need sleepers ...
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