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... are still in the lathe. I took them into work and engraved 10 or 25 on one end! Coloured grooves are nice though, and being an electronics engineer I would have to colour the grooves brown, black and red, green respectively if I was going to use paint-filled grooves Maybe next time! posted: 24 Mar 2010 23:51 from: BruceNordstrand Hey guys I read in a 1963 article of Model Railroader (by Jack Work) that notching one frog rail for the other to fit into it (staggered joint) was the way to go. I've never been able to figure that one out hence the need for me to file both sides the same. Is there any trick to doing a staggered joint or any advantage of doing so in HO scale? Cheers Bruce posted: 25 Mar 2010 13:52 from: Nigel Brown BruceNordstrand wrote: Hey guys I read in a 1963 article of Model Railroader (by Jack Work) that notching one frog rail for the other to fit into it (staggered joint) was the ...
... timber this crossing as is. Regards Alan posted: 2 Aug 2011 21:48 from: Jim Guthrie Alan, The other option might be to change the angle of your crossings. I note you are using 1:10 RAM. When I reduce that to 1:9.75 the crossing nose seems to move enough to allow easier timber placement- that's if you're not wedded to 1:10. Jim. posted: 2 Aug 2011 22:25 from: Martin Wynne Hi Alan, Often the prototype solves this problem by staggering the two crossovers: 2_021717_000000000.png By changing the amount of stagger, it is usually possible to find a timbering layout which picks up all the crossings. It may take quite a bit of trial and error. And/or staggering, you can use different crossing angles for the two crossovers, perhaps 1:10 for one and 1:9 for the other. p.s. Jim, the ruler should be working. tools> ruler, then ALT+ left click to set one end at the mouse, ALT+ right ...
... 187.5 mm x 250 mm Grid spacings: 1.5" trim to: 7.5" x 10.5" (A4 only) Grid spacings: 2.5" trim to: 7.5" x 10" To set the trim margins and trimmed page size, click the PRINT> TRIM MARGINS> SET CUSTOM TRIM MARGINS... menu item. To set the grid spacings, click the PRINT> PRINTED GRID OPTIONS> GRID SPACINGS... menu item. It is also possible to change from the standard "brick-bond" pattern of staggered alternate rows of pages to a more conventional in-line (rectilinear tiled) pattern. This makes it easier to match the trimmed page size to the grid lines or to use different sizes of paper in a single track plan, but loses the advantage of increased alignment accuracy which the staggered pattern provides. Select the PRINT> TRIM MARGINS> ALTERNATE ROWS menu options as required. Click the PRINT> TRIM MARGINS> SHOW MAX PRINTABLE AREA menu item to show an outline around page a/1 (the bottom-leftmost ...
... fairly big discrepancies over 3 A4 sheets joined together in Landscape origination. During printer configuration the outer box of the printout measures 180mm x 240mm, yet when the proof sheet is printed out the horizontal bar measures 150mm, but the vertical bar only measures 249.5mm, instead of the 250mm expected. The Roller Factor is 100% and the Head Factor is 100%. On printout of a few sheets of A4 paper to join together, the grid spacings seem really good at 50mm(they had been 52mm), yet on a staggered A4 paper layout, when jointing together, the placing of an A4 sheet centred on the joint of 2 A4 sheets below, show the sheet out of alignment by 1mm at either end of the sheet. The only reason I would question this, is because using a previous inkjet printer, an Epson 820 Photo Printer, I was able to align these bang on and this has always amazed me. My current new printer is a Epson Stylus Photo PX710W. I have to add, this is after a fresh install of ...
... the real point and the data plates on the blade sleepers confirm the radii. My friend says it is not possible to draw the point using Templot. Puzzled. Bernard posted: 10 Jul 2019 19:04 from: Martin Wynne Hi Bernard, Please clarify whether it is a 3-throw turnout, or a tandem turnout. More explanation here: http://templot.com/companion/3_way_tandem_turnouts.php Given that the radii differ, I imagine it is a tandem turnout. Is the middle road straight? What is the switch stagger? (The distance from the tips of the first switch blades to the tips of the second switch blades.) Metre gauge at 1:87 scale is 11.5mm. Is that your model gauge? What size of flangeway gaps do you use? cheers, Martin. posted: 11 Jul 2019 09:54 from: Bernard Haste Hello Martin, I got the details about the point wrong. I originally asked about this on the 18th October last year and the details are correctly stated there and there was a picture available ...
... Greenwich Park station, there were 2 platforms with an engine release road between them also leading to a pit. So 2 crossovers on top of each other, to make a 3-way in the middle. I read the thread "3 -throw turnout for Richard Lambert" but it does not really help. So before I start are there any good tips for drawing and making a 3-way? I presume I can follow the tandem video for most of this, but one immediate question is how to get the staggered toes? Mike Johnson Attachment: attach_972_1352_three_way.box 359 posted: 25 Jan 2011 12:19 from: Martin Wynne mike47j wrote: At the LDCR/SECR Greenwich Park station, there were 2 platforms with an engine release road between them also leading to a pit. So 2 crossovers on top of each other, to make a 3-way in the middle. Hi Mike, Richard Lambert's excellent topic on Old RMweb covers the building of an 0 gauge 3-throw turnout in detail (4 pages): http:/ ...
... straight turnout of the required size (radius). 2. press the CTRL+ 0 (zero) keys. 3. press the INSERT key. 4. click the template> swap hand menu item. 5. press the INSERT key. 6. press the HOME key. However, have you actually tried building such a thing? It's very tricky to get the coincident switches working properly -- such turnouts are confined to yards and sidings on the prototype. Far more common are 3-way tandem turnouts, with staggered switches, as in the video. regards, Martin. posted: 21 Oct 2012 23:54 from: julia I am noticing that my new laptop doesn't appear to have an insert button on they keyboard, is there an alternative key combination? The turnout in question is for a yard, it is the turnout that feeds into a 3 road engine shed. In terms of what the final turnout looks like, I am open to the possibility that a 3 way tandem may be what I think I want. one ...
... . I have had the track plan scanned and I am using this as a background shape. All has gone very well using TDV except for a three way tandem point- the very last piece of the jigsaw. The problem is my lack of knowledge and terminology. When I try to follow the excellent Templot video I can sort of understand it until my lack of knowledge takes over. Specifically, I do not know if what I am trying to do is allowed bearing in mind the background shape of the prototype requires two staggered B8 LH switches. These appear to be the best fit. Would this be allowed? The other area where I am failing is the third crossing and blades which from the video seem to be a user choice and I have not got a clue what would be acceptable here. I am aware of recent discussion on this topic but any further help would be appreciated. Regards Les posted: 10 Apr 2012 20:18 from: Martin Wynne Les Waters wrote: Specifically, I do not know if what I am trying ...
... travel. As the RH&DR has a double main these are spiked in opposite directions. On single track the 'anchor dogging' will be leading in the direction of travel by the heaviest loading or going down hill. It is possible that on tighter curves there will be two spikes on the outside of the outer rail. This is to take the extra force applied on curves. I haven't seen a picture of their curves so don't know if this occurs, but you should keep it in mind. They also appear to stagger two outer and one inner spike at the stations and multi directional track that takes a starting load. The HO modelling method of spiking each side of the track opposite doesn't actually happen in real life all that much. The crossings are a bolted crossing. The bolts go through the rails and through a series of chocks that hold the rail at the right position. The point of the V is held in one of these. These two photos show how the chocks fill the gaps between the rails effectively making the crossing solid ...
... protracted introduction of bogie stock on prestigious services (the first general service bogie carriage emerged from Stratford in 1897, but bogie Full Brakes weren't introduced until ten years later). Increasingly heavy traffic and the introduction of the S69 Class 4-6 -0 (LNER B12) just prior to the Great War saw 18 sleepers per 45ft of rail introduced after the conflict. Interestingly, and not well known, is that the GER also produced specifications for 13 sleepers per 30ft rail and 19 sleepers per 45ft of rail, both with staggered joints. Although I don't have a drawing of the earlier 11 sleepers with 30ft rail which is what Simon really needs, I do have dimensions from which I can extrapolate and produce a sketch. I'll post all these here later for reference. Adrian Last edited on 27 Oct 2009 12:43 by Adrian Marks posted: 27 Oct 2009 13:26 from: Martin Wynne Simon Dunkley wrote: As for the Yahoogroups thread, thanks for the link. For some reason I deregistered from the yahoogroup, but of course there ...
... it totally? I know from the video there's more to do, but wanted to check I was learning correctly to start with! Hi Richard, What you have there is the makings of a 3-throw turnout, with both switches coincident. 3-throw turnouts are quite rare on the prototype and only used in yards and sidings. A 3-throw turnout would not be used in a passenger running line as you have it there. What you need is a tandem turnout, in which the two base turnouts are staggered: 00_tandem_quick.png Have a look at the one Tony has just done for Brian to see the difference: topic 2053- message 13667 Tandem turnouts have been much discussed on here. If you go to the Search page at: http://www.templot.com/zoom/search_cgi.htm and enter "tandem turnout" you will find dozens of results. b) Below the 3-way point will be a double slip, but I cannot see a menu option or template to create one? I've dropped a diamond crossing in for now ...
... : 3323 Rail joiners and timbering. posted: 3 Sep 2018 20:02 from: LPL I haven't used this program for quite a while, but I can get involved again, now. I've all ways drawn up plans for U.S. standards and that says that I would use tie plates, and not chairs. Cross ties are called 'ties', then. And, I like to use P-87 as a scale. I have figured out how to draw rails joiners in, that are 39 feet apart and staggered. But, putting 8'6" or 9' ties in, a distance of 19 1/2" apart is a challenge. I've been in the track pad to about 150 pages, but never got to a '.exe' to allow me to that. Could you put together a tutorial that explains something like that? I've never managed to set ties in like that, in 'track pad'. Or maybe write back to tell me, please? Lu. New Berlin, Wi. USA posted: 3 Sep 2018 ...
... and is still enabled in my development versions here -- the offset to the curving line can be set to any desired dimension. See on the program panel window at program> expert> curving method> for example. It also means that for plain track, curving can be set along the outer rail, so that the 60ft (or whatever) rail length is maintained between the joint marks, and the special prototype 59ft-9in "short rails" can be inserted as needed on the inner rail to prevent the joint stagger exceeding the specified maximum (+ /- 1.1/2in). I disabled all that in the later release versions of Templot because it seemed to be one degree of complexity too far, and it is not supported in most of the functions on the tools menu. It was really intended only for the creation and printing of individual construction templates. For model purposes at typical curving radii the difference is not sufficient to worry about, and centre-line curving makes everything else so much more convenient for layout planning. Set against ...
... comments, your left-hand turnout has a regular-type V-crossing. This isn't aligning smoothly with the upper exit track. You will get a much better result if you change it to a curviform-type V-crossing. This is often the case when turnouts have significant contraflexure (negative radius). If you change it, you can then increase the crossing angle to about 1:7.5, and snake that turnout back a bit to re-align with the exit track. Doing that will increase the stagger between the switches and increase the space for the switch opening. The right-hand turnout it is currently a B-6, again with a regular V-crossing. I suggest changing that to a 12ft switch and the V-crossing to generic. That will ease the radius into the green (32.7") and at the same time shorten the turnout, again increasing the switch stagger, without changing the exit geometry. If you make these changes I think the remaining problems will be ok. regards, Martin ...
... to either set the terminus board at an angle or curve the whole terminus board so that the top left corner remains on the 17' mark with the top right now aligned with the 15' mark. This will give an 82' radius curve to the whole board and ease the angles required. Changing the whole board alignment should ease the transition through 90 degrees. I think what I may do over the weekend is lay out three 8 x 4 sheets of ply on the floor, mark out the 18' length, stagger them to represent the required curvature and lay out some pointwork to see how the angles stack up. posted: 10 Nov 2007 04:54 from: Martin Wynne Hi Gordon, Here is a more drastic change. This takes up a lot of your operating space and covers a large part of the lower level. Reaching across might also be a problem. But you get a nice sweeping curve into a longer terminus. The lime-coloured tracks show the base line. Starting from the top left there is about 3ft ...
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... 16:03 from: Martin Wynne Mike Waldron wrote: were 3-way points used on mainlines generally? or were they reserved for space saving around sidings and MPDs? Hi Mike, It's confusing to refer simply to "3 -way" turnouts. "Three-throw" turnouts, where the switch blades are coincident like this: 2_280950_180000000.jpg (larger version in the Image Gallery) were never used in running lines. They are found only in yards and sidings. "Tandem" turnouts, where the two switches are staggered, are quite common in running lines, like this one in the down main at Crewkerne: message 3292 regards, Martin. posted: 10 Feb 2012 16:25 from: Mike Waldron Hi Martin I was meaning tandem offset ones- like the S4 and EM gauge associations send out with their templates- with the switches staggered. Mike posted: 10 Feb 2012 16:46 from: Tony W A useful tip when clicking templates to select a group where there are numerous partial templates superimposed and it is getting difficult to ...
... existing turnout, Templot will generate the diamond correctly (at the adjacent track centre spacing in the latter instance). I have altered the track spacing to 45mm centres for the lower two tracks as this produces better alignment of the timbering where they overlap. There were a couple of misaligned track joints. I have redone the slip road for you. The slip switches are toward the bottom of the the list of switch types available. They are joined by a length of plain track with no sleepers. Your junction had the turnouts staggered, but in the wrong direction, which reduces the track spacing between the diverging roads. The turnout on the inner curve of the junction should be set in advance of the outer one to increase the track spacing of the diverging roads. I like the overall concept. If you are going to use a traverser arrangement, you may need to make sure the double track centres are all the same at the baseboard edges. I would suggest 45mm to match the double track at the front. There are still the timbers to ...
... ... I might be wrong though. Now comes the stock rail joint to toe, and its explained as follows: This is the switch front distance from the stock rail joint at the left end of the turnout to the "toe" (blade tips). For GWR switches this dimension is normally 64 inches, elsewhere it is usually 65 inches. There are normally 2 standard sleepers occupying this space. This is where it starts to get tricky, on my prototype turnout and american rail in general the joints are staggered. I guess Ill just compromise and skip it, setting it to the shortest distance in my drawing. 2094_221300_480000000.png Looks like I have it right there, 4' 6"= 54 inches Next is length of switch rail blade, this is also hard since according to the prototype drawing they are not of the same length. To avoid rail joint marks that are wrong anyway I just enter 0 for this one and skip it. Length of stock rail from joint is next. While both stockrails are infact 39' long ...
... be enough photos- rather, I'm wanting to get it so it "looks right", as in "close enough". Or put another way, I don't want it to look glaringly "wrong". To go back to the first question yesterday, I think I'm getting the hang of it. posted: 7 Jul 2020 16:11 from: Julian Roberts This (next) is what the same bit of track looks like now. I needed to roll the second to top line so that the sleepers were staggered. I think that really I needed to roll the sleepers, not the rails! So I now have an extra rail joint right next to the proper one (which, I think, is where the flag type sign is) that I shall ignore, and have put a timber under it, as altering the V rail length is quite a bit of faff. I'm not sure whether this interlacing would be prototypical in the '50s or whether timbers supporting both tracks would be used for the first 15 or so sleepers. ...
... know if this is the case. Derek posted: 15 Mar 2010 20:00 from: Martin Wynne Dellboy wrote: Templot should reflect the resultant sleeper spacings on a curved template but I do not know if this is the case. Hi Derek, Unfortunately no, it doesn't. You are correct that the sleeper centres should be measured along the long rail on a curve. Specially made and drilled "short rails" (usually 3 inches shorter than the standard rail length) are introduced on the inside rail when the joint stagger has exceeded 1.1/2 inches. It has not (yet) been possible to introduce this feature in Templot, partly because of the complexity for S-curve transitions (where the short rail swaps sides), but mainly because of the effect of the much smaller than prototype model radii. For example, a 60ft scale outer rail on a 1200mm radius in EM requires every inner rail to be only 59ft long. That's a lot more than an occasional 3" short rail on the prototype. I made the decision ...
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