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... has passed and I have forgotten all then I learned of TEMPLOT. I have 2 drawings. One is a template of a standard turnout. This is a continental 750mm gauge track with a 1:7 Frog. The other drawing is a single line drawing of the station which appears to be to in the proper perspective horizontal and vertical when I drop onto Google Earth. I believe I need to approach this systematically. 1) Create a new Custom Gauge, 2) Create a standard template for turnout and track geometry and timbering, 2) Record this new template as a library, 3) Import the station track plan background into a new box, 4) Create full track template, print and build. In order to become more proficient with TEMPLOT, I need to learn the nomenclature, because it took me some time to move the peg to the frog point (FP) in order align the geometry as best as possible. Where is there a place to learn the acronyms? I am still working on item 1 and 2. I ...
... :34 from: Martin Wynne As I mentioned, the reports of folks using 3D printing to create bullhead chairs has spurred me to move chairing in Templot from the NOD* list to the to-do list. I started some experimental work a couple of years ago, and I have now returned to it. It seemed that if the output was to be of any use in 3D printing, the chair outlines would need to have the proper corner radii. It's a lot of extra calculation with 4 chairs on most crossing timbers, but it hasn't impacted too much on the screen response for full track plans. Obviously you would switch the chairs on only for the final printed templates, they are not needed while track planning. It's fiendishly complex. For example the REA bridge chairs (L1) have a larger corner radius (1.3/4 ") than ordinary S1 chairs (which have 1" corner radius): 2_161458_330000001.png And GWR slide chairs have a full semi-circular end on the inside, for example. Templot does all the positioning ...
... topic: 2734 3D Printed Track and Turnouts posted: 9 Aug 2015 05:18 from: Andrew Barrowman Greetings fellow Templotters, As some of you already know, I've been messing about trying to print turnout bases on a 3D printer. It's fairly easy to create a 3D model of the timbers in CAD from any Templot template. It's also fairly simple to drag models of the chairs into the correct positions and orientation and combine them to produce an STL file to drive a printer. What is not so easy is producing 3D models for chairs that a) actually work, and b) don't look too horrible! I think I have reached a point where I'm limited by the printing technology itself. The results are actually a lot better than I thought they might be when I started out. Anyway, I've been making some wild guesses about chair dimensions, and I have not had a lot of luck finding anything on the Web. Any information would be greatly appreciated. (Here's a bit of track I've been using to test the latest chair ...
... enter 0 for this one and skip it. Length of stock rail from joint is next. While both stockrails are infact 39' long, the problem is that they are staggered, so if I enter something here it will still make one of them wrong. Ill just skip it and use the prototype drawings later when I add joint bar details. Next is joggled stock rails, and I just skip it. To be honest I dont know if its supposed to be used or not. Here comes my favorite part, timber spacings, this is actually one of the reasons I choose to redo this switch, I want the timber spacings throughout the switch to be visible. Might as well get this correct since Ill use a CNC mill to cut the timbers meaning I got excellent tolerance. (and its a nice and visible feature to) First it asks if the front section is timbered or sleepered. Apparantly the dimensions differ alot in the UK, however as far as I know they are the same in the US. I pick plain track ...
... topic: 1610 Timbering Guidance Needed posted: 29 Aug 2011 15:54 from: Brian Nicholls Hi All, I need some guidance on the black art of timbering. I am just about to embark on a mammoth timbering task, have placed most of my track-work in position using un-timbered rails only. Having just started this task, I find that in many areas there is considerable overlapping of timbers, which clearly need be adjusted by either twisting or backward – forward movements to clear each other, but I am not quite sure how much movement (max twist or backward – forward) the critical timbers such as, A, B, C, D, X, Y& Z can be adjusted (moved). Can anyone give me some guidance on the maximum movement of these timbers, and does anyone know if there is anything written down about this particular subject? I do know in general, T& S timbers can be shoved backwards, forwards and twisted to some considerable degree, although timbers S1& S2 should ...
... topic: 2460 Station Throat Timbering posted: 16 May 2014 22:20 from: Michael Woolford Since my plan is now finished, other than the turntable and back road, I would like to start work on the timbering. I have looked through a few topics on here to see what I could find out, but I have come to find that it is very much a black art, especially in more complex areas. I am modelling the end of the LMS into Nationalisation and would like some information on their practices when it comes to the alignment of timbers. One of the first things I need to do is choose between square on/equalised timbering. Any info re the correct way of doing things? I have also attached the box file. Thanks in advance. Michael Attachment: attach_1852_2460_Station_Layout_16 May14.box 417 Last edited on 16 May 2014 22:58 by Michael Woolford posted: 18 May 2014 13:14 from: Martin Wynne Michael Woolford wrote: One of the first things I need to do is choose between square on/equalised timbering ...
... slow of late as I'm building the shed where the layout is going to live as well at the moment and this from scratch, so until that is finished further track making will be limited. The photos are all of the MPD between the junction. I'm going to try to lay it and ballast at the same time which the more I think about it the more nerve racking it is. I'll report back once I've summoned up the courage to put sleeper to wood glue... 2787_031707_450000000.jpg Early stages with most of the timbers in place and some rail laid in. At this early stage I was constructing the crossings in situe. I've now copied the idea of a chap on this site who makes all the crossings bonded to the wing rails with thin brass strip unsoldered underneath which makes a very solid job of it! 2787_031702_460000000.jpg A friend, Dave Doe, told me in no uncertain manner that my ideas of using bent wire to provide the hinge for the loose heeled switches was very poor engerneering practice and generally a no no. I conceded defeat ...
... how I create interlaced sleeper turnouts with Templot and posted them on my website. So, if you're interested you'll find them at http://grotsoft.net/Railways/Templot/InterlacedSleeperTurnouts.aspx cheers Stewart posted: 7 Apr 2008 18:32 from: Martin Wynne Stewart McSporran wrote: I've written up some notes on how I create interlaced sleeper turnouts with Templot and posted them on my website. Hi Stewart, Excellent. Many thanks for taking the trouble to do that. But please note that Templot has a function to put the timber ends in line, you don't need to do it manually: ends_in_line.png Normally centralized timbering is used when timbers are skewed (equalized timbering), and timber ends are in line when timbers are square (square-on timbering). But Templot doesn't make this change for you (perhaps it should?), and you can use either option with whichever timbering style you prefer or in accordance with your prototype. If you want a guide line along the timber ends, the easiest way is to create a dummy template and ...
... check and wing rails for you. The diamond crossing part was very tight, but I managed to fit it all in, see what you think. I hope this helps. All the best, Brian. Attachment: attach_1792_2428_group_Scissors_cr ossing_2014_03_23_1617_17_Sample.b ox 385 posted: 23 Mar 2014 17:44 from: Brian Nicholls Hi PeterD, Sorry forgot to mention in my last message, that I have not removed any of your original templates, just added my own to sort out the crossing area. Also, have left you to do the timbers of the diamond. All the best, Brian. posted: 23 Mar 2014 18:10 from: PeterD Good afternoon Brian, Thank you for sorting me out. I am trying to learn the techniques to apply when using partial templates. What I am finding is that my lack of experience leaves me puzzling on how to efficiently apply partial templates. I have studied your approach and it is very neat and straight forward. I can see that I got terribly lost with my check rails which confused me. Well, ...
... topic: 3014 Exactoscale P4 Company turnout bases posted: 17 Apr 2017 11:00 from: Hayfield I have a question about the Exactoscale P4 Company pre-formed turnout bases, I understand that when designing these bases they are for P4 turnouts but I am thinking of using them for EM gauge, I have printed off a standard turnout template from Templot and have found there are a couple of subtle differences. One which is easy to overcome on an A5 turnout, is that at the heal end it is a Timber short. Another is that as the base has the same number of sleepers but as you would expect the length is 5 mm longer, which I believe is easy to overcome. One issue which may not be as easy to overcome is the length of some timbers, from the toe end Plan Base 4 6 Goes into the next timber length by 2 timbers 4 4 Problem continues as above 4 3 Only one timber out of register 2 1 Problem solved There are 5 timbers potentially too short, I could remove 2 timbers and ...
... Society have just upgraded their supplies to precision laser-cut plywood instead of sheared strip. The great advantage of riveted ply is that you can get the track built, laid, tested, wired up and running, and only later add the cosmetic half-chairs at your leisure. If the rivet positioning is done carefully, the end result looks just the same as using glued chairs on plywood. Beginners can deal with any misplaced rivets by fettling them with the edge of a Dremel abrasive disc. Fitting the rivets to the timbers can be time consuming, but strangely satisfying. An alternative to the tubular rivets is to used single-sided Vero pins. These are a push fit in 1mm holes, so don't need closing underneath and can therefore be drilled and fitted with the timbers on the template. But they do need trimming underneath afterwards. I doubt they would hold in plywood, but are fine in copper-clad or unclad SRBP laminate (their intended purpose). If double-sided copper-clad, remember to gap the underside too ...
... topic: 3046 Making a start on shoving timbers posted: 16 Jul 2017 21:22 from: d827kelly With kind help from here and the Scalefour forum, I've got a workable plan that both myself and my co-operator are happy with. Now I need to turn to sorting out something I've not really looked at before now, timber shoving. I've looked at the prototype for the area the layout is based upon, Shepperton, and it seems to suggest straight-on timbering, which is what it is already, so that should be fine. I've made a start on the crossover in the station/platform area. Lengthened some, moved others. I think I'm getting there. Some feedback before I carry on with other points would be helpful. 2356_161622_220000000.png Attachment: attach_2468_3046_Shepperton_- _v11.0.4_- _Attempting_Timber_Shoving.box 227 posted: 16 Jul 2017 23:20 from: d827kelly Done some googling and further reading of various timber shoving threads, etc, Attached is attempt at shoving timbers on all the turnouts on the plan. I think ...
... topic: 767 Laser-cut timbering bases from Templot files posted: 18 Mar 2009 12:11 from: Paul Hamilton Hi all, It has been a long time between drinks as we say out in the Antipodes. I have a CJF plan that I need temploted by someone as I simply have not the time or inclination to persue the "doing" of this myself. (I am honest!) As such I am more than prepared to pay someone to create the Templot plan for me such that I can then order the timber track bases from Brian at C&L. I am not going to be as vulgar as to propose rates and even the scope here suffice to say that there are 8 points, no slips or other such silliness and it is in SF00 (surprise hey!) Please contact me if remotely interested in assisting in this genuine request. PS I do have a fully purchased packaged and am happy to communicate details etc if required. Best regards, Paul. posted: 18 Mar 2009 14:20 from ...
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... topic: 812 P4 test track posted: 8 May 2009 00:17 from: Len Cattley Hi all, I am thinking of building a test track in P4 of which I have made two plans but I can't decide which one to build, also I'm not sure about the timbering. I would be most greatfull of any help or advice. Thanks Len Cattley posted: 8 May 2009 09:18 from: Andy G Hi Len, We need to be able to see the trackplans in order to comment on them. Andy posted: 8 May 2009 11:50 from: Len Cattley Lets see if this works. Attachment: attach_548_812_P4__& _Tebay_test_track.box 312 posted: 8 May 2009 11:51 from: Len Cattley Hi Andy thanks for your reply. I thought I did download them but something must have gone wrong. It took ages for my message to appear but the files weren't in them so not quite sure what went wrong. Will try again. Thanks Len posted: 8 May 2009 11:53 from: Martin ...
... topic: 1370 Advice on timbering for crossovers in straight parallel roads posted: 15 Feb 2011 00:13 from: Brian Nicholls Hi all, Would one of you kind experts please advise me on timbering for crossovers in adjacent straight parallel tracks as shown in the attached BOX file. I cannot make up my mind if the timbers around the two crossing rails areas, of each crossover, should go right across to, and including, each of the main road sides of the of each of the crossovers (only across two straight roads, not all four I might add). Also if anyone has a photo showing such timbering of this type of formation, that would be very appreciated. At this time I am only interested in the crossovers situated in the four track roads at slightly the right of centre and towards the top of the box file, all other formations are not yet quite ready for finishing, but if anything in other areas is seen to glaringly wrong, I would appreciative your advice. As a point of interest, the proto ...
... topic: 1084 GW tandem turnout posted: 22 Mar 2010 12:06 from: Phil O Hi All Does anyone have any info on how the GW would have arranged the timbers under a tandem turnout? I have had a look in David Smiths book GWR Switch& Crossing practice and can find no help there. Below is the turnout which I would like to sort out the timbers. 38_220704_280000000.png TIA Phil Last edited on 22 Mar 2010 12:08 by Phil O posted: 23 Mar 2010 21:26 from: Paul Boyd Tricky question! This is the way I do it, which may be right or wrong. I work on the basis that each element of the turnout is made up of standard components, i.e., three crossings and two switches. On the prototype, the timber spacing within each component was pretty much fixed so that the special chairs would fit so that's what you have to base the overall timbering on. So, starting with the switches, you know what type of switch you're using and where the rail joint ...
... topic: 1692 Custom Switch data input help posted: 18 Nov 2011 21:17 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Martin, I have a slight problem with the data of a custom switch, which is bugging me and I don't know what's causing it. The problem is as follows: I was making an LNWR 12ft straight heel custom switch from scratch, i.e. not copying a similar template into the slot, having completed the whole input sequence, when I checked the timber spacing using the shove timbers menu, I found that the S1 timber was backward (as in the custom menu dialog) by 2ins. and the centre line was in-line with the toe (blade front tip) of the switch, where the centre line of the timber should have been some 2ins. forward (as in the custom menu dialog) of the toe. Also the centre line spacing between the S1 and J1 timbers was wrong being, 2ft 2ins, instead of 2ft 4ins, which consequently put all the following timbers along the switch out, in a ...
... I'm thinking that a redraw to make a more normal A-5, B-6 or B-7 turnout might make things easier for me, but the questions are still valid! I'd be very grateful for any advice! I have the necessary roller gauges, etc, but as I said, I have never ventured away from peco before, and this is a step into the exciting unknown! posted: 9 Nov 2015 22:55 from: Hayfield Jubliee42 Welcome to track building, you can use chairs on copperclad timbers providing you lift the rail by 0.5 mm. Either shim from the fret of an etched kit or C&L sell 0.5 mm copperclad strip. Once soldered to the timbers and rail grind the shim/copperclad flush to the rail sides Check rails can either be cut up 4 bolt chairs, or use the 0.8mm Exactoscale check chairs, various methods used on my workbench http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/57911-hayfields-turnout-workbench/ Gauges you will need the check rail gauge ...
... a headshunt?, towards the hamlet. The layout is limited to 600mm in length but the plan is more than 600mm long. The ends will protrude into the off stage area. I've left them a bit raggedy as that can be cleared up 'on-site'. The turnouts are meant to be to earlier GWR switch and crossing practice and have had adjustments made as best as I can work out based on the GWSG publication on the matter by David Smith. The rails are based on GWR 44'6" lengths with 18 timbers. The catch points in the lead are just plonked over the turnout in the yard. I read that the only way to do this is separate templates. (I think I could do better next time by idea of copying the control, changing end for end and using roam for positioning.) I know the sleepers aren't properly adjusted. I haven't quite figured this out. The sleeper rolling does something but regardless of the option I don't seem to get a correct outcome when I count the sleepers between rail end marks ...
... topic: 1695 Extra Multiple B4 Timbers showing. posted: 24 Nov 2011 17:28 from: Brian Nicholls Hi Martin, Sorry to be a pain in the proverbial, but thought I should report this. First let me say, I have noticed this event several times over the last few days, it seems since the last TDV 4505 update. In these instances I just simply kept omitting the timber until all copies of it had gone. In this last instance, just a few minutes ago, I had aligned a turnout template and then did a make branch track, and when the track appeared it had these extra B4 timbers at the peg end (previous events always had the extra B4 timbers at the peg end). (see image file below, this can be seen at full size on the image gallery). Now I say extra timbers because, there are 3 or 4 of these B4 timbers sitting on top of each other, all exhibiting the same timber number, and it takes three or four timber omit ions to ...
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