... of the TOE to centre of S1 timber is: Dimension from front joint to TOE (from drawing) is 5ft 6ins= 66ins. Dimension from front joint to centre of S1 timber is (1ft+ 2ft 4ins.+ 2ft 4ins.)= 5ft 8ins.= 68ins. Now dimension for spacing forward from TOE to first timber S1 is (68ins. – 66ins.)= 2ins. (not 4ins.). Please restore my sanity, not having a good day. All the best, Brian Nicholls. 1853_181614_150000000.png 1853_181615_050000000.png posted: 18 Nov 2011 21:39 from: Martin Wynne Hi Brian, Sorry you are struggling, although I'm having some difficulty following what you are saying. If the dimensions do not come out as intended, the most likely reason is that you have some timber shoving applied. Go to the shove timbers dialog and click the restore all button. If that doesn't fix it, please tabulate here, or attach a drawing, showing what you want the spacing dimensions to be (not what you actually achieved - ...