... Guthrie madscientist wrote: Now frog juicers are just brilliant and for dcc. If you can afford them, they are the best way to go, why because in dcc with ordinary frog switching when you go over an incorrect point in the trailing direction, you short put your whole dcc layout even if the switch blades would trail over, whereas With frog juicers everything keeps working, Complex Slips and scissors are a doddle I would agree with Dave- juicers get you round the complex interlocking on a DCC layout- like diamonds. 25_090935_300000000.jpg This is my US style switching layout with a diamond on the sidings and two Tam Valley mono juicers doing the business. They will be covered with buildings. Jim. posted: 9 Sep 2018 15:50 from: Martin Wynne madscientist wrote:( the 5W RS solenoid mentioned would just break up points quite frankly) That depends on the design of linkage/escapement, the size of the air-damping plate, the inertia of the return system (such as a weighted lever), and of course the voltage ...