... so sure -- if the mouse flashes "selected" as it moves over disabled items, the blank lines can be more distraction than help. Maybe I will bite the bullet and try an OwnerDraw solution. The problem is that it is all or nothing -- the entire menu structure or none of it. That's a lot of work. regards, Martin. posted: 6 Nov 2015 20:15 from: Martin Wynne Now it's optional -- untick this menu item to remove the blank spaces in the menus: 2_061512_380000000.png Saved in the program preferences if you are saving them. In the next program update. Martin. posted: 17 Mar 2016 17:40 from: Jim Guthrie Martin, Can the background shapes colour and thickness be saved in the preferences file? I always have to change the colour now to something more recognisable than the default white on blue and a current discussion triggered memories of this discussion about a preferences file. I've just tried to save the shapes colour and size in preferences and it doesn't seem to work for me ...