... some users will be modelling actual locations, and North may not be at the top. There is also the same problem of rotation. Here's the dialog as I have it at present. For now I have set it at "width" and "depth" to see if it grows on me. Depth is sometimes used to mean a front-to-back dimension rather than negative height, so it may perhaps do. On the other hand I don't recall anyone ever referring to the depth of a signal box. 2_121626_370000000.png Thanks again for your help. Martin. posted: 12 Oct 2010 22:26 from: Templot User Martin Wynne wrote: Hmm. I would have agreed entirely until I tried actually using the sketchboard with Brian's excellent graphics. When designing a layout I found myself thinking and visualising the sketchboard items as physical models, not as graphics images. Then when I go into the dialog and see "Signal Box, height: 56mm" it feels entirely wrong to describe its plan dimensions that way. Perhaps if it was just ...