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posted: 8 Mar 2010 07:59 from: Gordon S click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Couple of questions for you guys. On all my plans there are + marks showing the radial centre points. How do I hide those or stop them being generated? Looked everywhere, but can't see how to do it... Sacrilege possibly, but I never use "notches" yet they seem to appear at random and clearly impact joining tracks with the F7 command. They only way I can lose them is by Geometry/Notch/Reset notch on pad datum. Can anyone let me know why they appear and how do I stop them?.....or perhaps I should learn to love them...  |
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posted: 8 Mar 2010 08:48 from: Martin Wynne
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Gordon S wrote: Couple of questions for you guys.Hi Gordon, The radial centres are part of the "guide marks" set. You have two options. You can prevent them being created at all, or you can prevent them being shown on the screen for the background templates. 1. You can prevent them being created by unticking the generator > generator settings > guide marks menu item. You will lose some other marks too -- the set and planing marks in the switch, the FP intersection mark in front of the vee, the crossover centre marks, etc. Make this change before reloading your file, or if already loaded, follow up with generator > rebuild all background menu item. That loses them everywhere, including printing. Some of them are useful during construction, so I suggest you put the marks back on and rebuild again before printing templates. 2. If you want to lose them only on the screen background templates, instead of the above you can go to pad > pad background options > pad background templates detail... menu item and untick the marks tickbox. This won't affect printing or DXF output etc., or the control template, but it will remove all marks, including the transition markers, turnout radial end marks, etc. These detail settings are intended to tidy up the screen before making screenshots or similar. It also speeds up the screen response time on large layouts if you don't display unwanted detail. Sacrilege possibly, but I never use "notches" yet they seem to appear at random and clearly impact joining tracks with the F7 command. They only way I can lose them is by Geometry/Notch/Reset notch on pad datum. There is only one notch, so if you are seeing several something has gone terribly wrong. It's an extremely useful tool when doing more complex designs, partial templates, etc. But as you have found, you can get along fine without using the notch if you wish (what in fact happens is that Templot uses it for you). It doesn't appear on printed output or DXF, but there's no way to lose it from the screen, sorry. I will add that option -- it never occurred to me that anyone would want to do that. If it's in the way, you can quickly move it somewhere else by pressing SHIFT+F7 a few times (which cycles it through its recent locations). You can also move it anywhere you like using the action > mouse actions: pad > move notch mouse action. There are other options at geometry > notch > menu items to move it. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 8 Mar 2010 09:10 from: Gordon S click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Thanks for your very quick reply Martin. Impressive as always. Thanks also for starting my day with a laugh. I'm sitting here chuckling away to myself over your comment "it never occurred to me that anyone would want to do that". If there's a way of doing something a strange way, I'll find it..... I'll stop worrying about the + marks as losing them means losing a lot of other bits. No worries..  As you know, I only use the F7 command for track joining and alignment and have never used notches. Apologies if I didn't make it clear, there is only one that appears on a random basis where I am working. I understand what they are there for, but never use them, so just reset them to the pad datum each time it appears. Out of curiousity, what am I doing that causes one to appear? Again, it's no big deal, but it would be great if you go down the F7 route, to be able to switch notches off completely..... Happy days....The new shed area is coming along well. Just need to build it now.  |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 09:23 from: Gordon S click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi guys, me again... I've been doing some additional mods to an earler plan and once again, the mysterious notch appears from nowhere. I was about to create a new thread, but searched first as I had forgotten I'd already asked the question nearly a year ago. Everytime the single notch appears at the end of the piece of track I'm working on, I use the command to set it back to the page datum, but a few minutes later it reappears again on another piece of track I'm working on. I guess my question is still the same as it doesn't appear to have been answered. What causes a notch to appear without reason on a plan? What can I do to stop this happening? How can I deal with it once and for all, rather than the reset to page datum route? Did you ever include the mod Martin or was my lone voice not sufficient to warrant the change.. Just curious.... |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 10:39 from: Martin Wynne
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Gordon S wrote: I guess my question is still the same as it doesn't appear to have been answered.Hi Gordon, Templot uses the notch itself for some functions, and leaves it in place because you may find it useful in that location yourself. Either immediately, or more likely by cycling back to it later, for example after a group has been linked to the notch. There's a video showing such re-use, I will dig out the link shortly. I'm thinking that maybe you haven't used the notch very much? I don't really understand why you find it a problem -- it doesn't appear on the final templates, it is only a design tool on the screen. I have included a mod to allow the notch to be hidden, but I haven't yet released an upgrade Pug since your original request. I suspect however, that not many users will want to make use of this feature. Having turned it off, sod's law states that you will immediately need it again. More useful perhaps would be a keyboard shortcut to return it to the grid datum. I will see if I can find a spare shortcut for that, although there aren't many left. I dare not change an existing one, or I shall have to answer to Mr Boyd. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 10:53 from: Gordon S click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi Martin Happy Sunday morning... I've never, ever, used a notch as I've never needed to. What's irritating for me is that a notch appears from nowhere. I haven't asked for one, or at least I'm not aware that I may have. I don't know how, so it must be an accident or random. What then happens is that the peg end of a new template is attracted to the notch like a magnet. Don't worry I know it's supposed to do that, but sometimes the notch is not at the end of a turnout for instance and then you can't use the F7 key because just as soon as you get close to the notch, wham, it's stuck to the notch like glue....  So I have to stop and use the reset on pad datum to get rid of it and then carry on in my own sweet way.... Fine for a few minutes then the little b*gger reappears and I have to go through the whole process again. I'm gently smiling to myself as I type, because there are far more important things to deal with, so don't lose sleep over it. It's just one of life's mysteries to me. Where do notches come from? How did they get here? Will the world ever be rid of them? |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 11:39 from: Martin Wynne
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Gordon S wrote: Don't worry I know it's supposed to do that, but sometimes the notch is not at the end of a turnout for instance and then you can't use the F7 key because just as soon as you get close to the notch, wham, it's stuck to the notch like glue....Hi Gordon, It's not the notch it sticks to, but the end of the template. Hold down the SHIFT key and it won't stick. See: http://www.templot.com/martweb/f7_snap_demo.htm More about the peg and notch functions: http://www.templot.com/martweb/gs_geometry.htm (Written for 074b, which doesn't have the F7 snapping function.) regards, Martin. |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 13:20 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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I think this an appropriate place for this but I seem to have the opposite problem. No matter what I do I can't get the notch under a group to "stick" to the current template as shown in "notch-loco-depot.avi". Please throw me a lifebelt. cheers Godders |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 14:30 from: Martin Wynne
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Godfrey Earnshaw wrote: I think this an appropriate place for this but I seem to have the opposite problem. No matter what I do I can't get the notch under a group to "stick" to the current template as shown in "notch-loco-depot.avi". Please throw me a lifebelt.Hi Godfrey, To make the notch "stick" to the control template, click the geometry > notch > link notch to template at peg menu item. Then move the peg to somewhere else, usually the other end. Then for any mouse action adjustments to the control template, the notch will remain sticking to the control template, and possibly taking a linked group with it, as shown in the video. Note that this applies only for mouse actions -- so that you can see the effect of the adjustments as you make them. Other direct changes made to the control template via the menus won't carry the notch with them. In that case you can easily put the peg where you want it afterwards, and the notch under it, when you are ready. Again possibly taking a linked group with it. If you follow the video exactly it should work as indicated. Gordon, the video is at: http://www.templot.com/martweb/videos/notch_loco_depot.exe It shows the usefulness of the notch quite well. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 6 Feb 2011 15:59 from: Martin Wynne
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Martin Wynne wrote:Templot uses the notch itself for some functions, and leaves it in place because you may find it useful in that location yourself. Either immediately, or more likely by cycling back to it later, for example after a group has been linked to the notch. There's a video showing such re-use, I will dig out the link shortly. Here it is, a bit of Jing video showing a tandem turnout from a file being added and linked in to a track plan. Notice a couple of tricks in the video -- you can use F7 snapping as a quick way to get the notch on a free end of a background template; and you can then use the cycle notch function to move it back there after linking the group to it: Allow a few seconds for the video to download. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 7 Feb 2011 11:49 from: Godfrey Earnshaw
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Hi Martin javascript:emoticon(' ', 'images/emoticons/big_grin.gif')Thanks, got it at last, as you say follow the instructions properly. I have found a major problem with TEMPLOT; addiction! Thanks Godders |
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