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  • The Plug Track functions are experimental and still being developed.

    For an updated overview of this project see this topic.   For some practical modelling aspects of using Plug Track see Building 3D Track.

    The assumption is that you have your own machines on which to experiment, or helpful friends with machines. Please do not send Templot files to commercial laser cutting or 3D printing firms while this project is still experimental, because the results are unpredictable and possibly wasteful.

    Some pages of this and other topics include contributions from members who are creating and posting their own CAD designs for 3D printing and laser-cutting. Do not confuse them with Templot's own exported CAD files. All files derived from Templot are © Martin Wynne.

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I have added another 00 pre-set to the gauge list in the next program update:



00-MF
track gauge: 16.3mm
crossing flangeway: 1.1mm

This is a slightly coarsened version of 00-SF, with a bit more tolerance for poor quality control on 00 RTR back-to-backs, and older RTR models.

Compared to 00-SF:

pros:

more tolerant of RTR variations (min back-to-back: 14.2mm)​
can go a bit tighter on radius without needing gauge-widening: 700mm/27" approx​
uses the same check gauges (15.2mm) as 00-SF and 00-BF​

cons:

not quite as smooth for EMGS/Gibson/Ultrascale wheels (ok for Markits/Romford and RTR wheels)​
slightly wider flangeways don't look so good​

I have set the default adjacent centres at 47mm to allow for some possibly tighter radii.

gauge_list_00mf.png



This will no doubt cause the usual grumpiness on RMweb. I will just add that Templot is my software and I can put anything I like in it. No-one is obliged to take the slightest notice. :)

Martin.
 
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Martin

Just don't tell them

Out of interest where has this gauge originated from please
Secondly I assume one has to make their own gauges

One old chestnut is Its a great pity that within the pre-set gauges 009 and 0-16.5 are not available, I accept that they may be less prototypical than most gauges and the groups are small but it might be a boost towards track building fraternity and they do have their own societies
 
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Out of interest where has this gauge originated from please
Secondly I assume one has to make their own gauges

One old chestnut is Its a great pity that within the pre-set gauges 009 and 0-16.5 are not available, I accept that they may be less prototypical than most gauges and the groups are small but it might be a boost towards track building fraternity and they do have their own societies
@Hayfield

Hi John,

It originated from a desire to do something for those who will keep posting on RMweb that this obscure model or that ancient model won't run on 00-SF, despite the fact that the vast majority of modern RTR models do run fine, as many 00-SF users keep saying.

By coarsening the standard just a bit, it's possible to tolerate a slightly wider range of RTR back-to-backs, without degrading the running of kit wheels too much. I would still prefer 00-SF for myself, but 00-MF gives another option for those who want it. Well they had the choice all along of course to build whatever they wanted, but it wasn't named in Templot with a convenient pre-set.

Yes at present you would have to make your own gauges -- except the critical one, the check gauge, which is the same as the 00-SF check gauge (and also for 00-BF). So that means making a 16.3mm gauge for the running rails, and finding something 1.1mm thick to use as a crossing flangeway gauge. If 00-MF becomes popular no doubt the trade would come up with some gauges.



Some narrow-gauge pre-sets were at one time in the list. I removed them because there was just too many, and it was too difficult to get definitive information about the standards. For example, what is the crossing flangeway gap for 009? Some folks use bog-standard N gauge, some folks use the 2mm Association standards, some use the P4 standards with a reduced gauge. They all call it 009, which is crazy. They should all have different names.

I will look again at providing some pre-sets. I shall have to invent some new names for the different variants, such as 009-A , 009-B , etc. I dare not try asking anyone, because I know I shall get 23 different answers. :(

In the meantime it's very easy to do 009 or 0-16.5 in Templot, by downloading some ready-made sample templates from:

https://85a.uk/templot/archive/topics/topic_2934.php#p20825

https://85a.uk/templot/archive/topics/topic_28.php

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00n27_pad.png


0n16p5_samples.png


See also these topics:

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/narrow-gauge-advice.165/

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/009.56/

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Some narrow-gauge pre-sets were at one time in the list. I removed them because there was just too many, and it was too difficult to get definitive information about the standards. For example, what is the crossing flangeway gap for 009? Some folks use bog-standard N gauge, some folks use the 2mm Association standards, some use the P4 standards with a reduced gauge. They all call it 009, which is crazy. They should all have different names.

I will look again at providing some pre-sets. I shall have to invent some new names for the different variants, such as 009-A , 009-B , etc. I dare not try asking anyone, because I know I shall get 23 different answers. :(
Hi Martin

Those of us who model narrow gauge using 2mm Scale Association standards don't call it 009! A name, and I can't remember where it came from, is S4n2 although I suppose that sort of implies S4 standards (as opposed to P4).

For what it's worth, the standard I use is attached, based very much on Paul Holmes' standards, in turn based on discussions in the late Lyndon Emery's Narrow Gauge Study Group - once an area group within the Scalefour Society. This standard has been knocking about for a few years now and a few of us are modelling it.

To be honest, I don't think you can offer presets for exactly the reasons you give, except perhaps for bog-standard generic N-gauge or 00-gauge compatible stuff with generic sleepers/timbers, which would then draw complaints from someone on RMWeb that it doesn't match some obscure 2' 1.375" prototype in Much Bickering! The beauty of Templot is that if we want something different, we can do it ourselves!

Cheers,
Paul
 

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I would agree with Paul, use Pecos N/009 & 0.16.5 (00) standards as the norm, especially as there are far more RTR items available now and in the offering, I think the Double Fairlie may create a lot of interest, timber widths can easily changed
 
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@Hayfield @Paul Boyd

Hi John,

OK, you win. :)

But there is no way on Earth I can add narrow-gauge settings to the existing gauge list. There are just too many other settings which need to be changed -- timbering, check rails, rail section, etc., in addition to the track standards.

Instead I am adding an option to load sample templates directly from the gauge menu. Strictly speaking this is unnecessary because sample templates have been able to be loaded for over 20 years. :)

But this should make it easier to find them. 009 will be first.

Luckily you caught me just as I was preparing to release 233a later today, so this will now be in it:

samples_009.png


The templates will show in the library viewer:

samples_009_lib.png


Click one to copy it into the control template on the trackpad.

When you save your .box file the library templates will still be in it, so the viewer will open again next time.

The viewer can be resized and dragged around to whatever you want. More about the library viewer here:

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/changes-in-templot-version-227.180/post-1503

In 233a later today.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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@Hayfield

Hi John,

That's now working in 233a just released. You might like to try printing the 009 templates. :)

Note that the 009 templates are flat-bottom. The wide rail foot will show on the printed templates, but note:

only on printed templates (and PDF).
and only for stored background templates. Not for the control template, or on the screen.

Templot version 233a is on the server now. To update see:

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/templot2-update-version-233a-now-available.352/

cheers,

Martin.
 
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