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  • The Plug Track functions are experimental and still being developed.

    For an updated overview of this project see this topic.   For some practical modelling aspects of using Plug Track see Building 3D Track.

    The assumption is that you have your own machines on which to experiment, or helpful friends with machines. Please do not send Templot files to commercial laser cutting or 3D printing firms while this project is still experimental, because the results are unpredictable and possibly wasteful.

    Some pages of this and other topics include contributions from members who are creating and posting their own CAD designs for 3D printing and laser-cutting. Do not confuse them with Templot's own exported CAD files. All files derived from Templot are © Martin Wynne.

Background maps issues

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Lancastrian

Lancastrian

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Martin,

I am receiving this when attempting to import a background image.
1643488597308.png

The only way I can remove the Script Error message is to close Templot. I've been able to load background images before but that was with an earlier version of Templot.

Ian
 
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Hi Martin,

I actually have to re-start my laptop for the Script Error dialog box to be removed. Clicking on Yes or No is not doing anything.

Ian
 
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@Lancastrian

Hi Ian,

That's a change in the NLS web site which is not supported in the crappy Microsoft WebBrowser component (Internet Explorer).

It's not part of Templot and there's nothing I can do about it, other than report it to NLS. I will add a means of escape in the next program update -- thanks for letting me know.

However, you can get what you want as a tiled map (make sure you have set your model scale/gauge first):

ian_ship_canal_tiled.png


This is the URL to enter in the box (copy and paste):

Code: 
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=53.47071&lon=-2.29546&layers=168&b=1

It might be a bit slow to load.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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p.s. Ian,

Use these buttons to increase/reduce the map area:

ian_ship_canal_tiled1.png



Untick this to remove the border around each tile:

ian_ship_canal_tiled2.png


Martin.
 
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p.p.s. Ian,

There is a way to escape (and capture a screenshot map):

1. drag the error dialog away from the map area:

ian_ship_canal_tiled3.png


2. click Yes until it goes away.

3. Move the mouse around the top of the map window to the red X without crossing the map area.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Wish I could!

Tried to extract tiled maps but kept getting the dreaded error messages ad nauseam. I gave up, life is too short. I got to stage 4 but after clicking the button the error messages started. Couldn't find a means of escape other than a restart of the computer.

I am running an up-to date version of Firefox Developer Browser 98.0b6(64 bit) still on Windows 7 64bit.
 
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Stephen Freeman said:
Wish I could!

Tried to extract tiled maps but kept getting the dreaded error messages ad nauseam. I gave up, life is too short. I got to stage 4 but after clicking the button the error messages started. Couldn't find a means of escape other than a restart of the computer.

I am running an up-to date version of Firefox Developer Browser 98.0b6(64 bit) still on Windows 7 64bit.
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@Stephen Freeman

Hi Stephen,

What error message? What did it say?

What is the URL for the NLS maps which you are trying to load? What location?

I will try to help, but you have to give me a few morsels of information. :confused:

p.s. your browser is not involved in fetching tiled maps.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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p.s. Stephen,

If you mean this error message:

screenshot_capture_error.png


you were trying to capture a screenshot map, not a tiled map. It no longer works for the NLS maps because the NLS web site has changed and no longer supports the Windows WebBrowser component. It is not my fault and there is nothing I can do about it. I shall remove it from the next program update. Only the tiled maps will still work.

If that was not the error message, sorry, but you did not give me any details.


screenshot_capture_error1.png


screenshot_capture_error2.png


cheers,

Martin.
 
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Yes, exactly. I did also try the alernative suggested but it just hung, perhaps if I had waited a bit longer but how long? I did wait a reasonable amount of time. I will try again.
 
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Stephen Freeman said:
Yes, exactly. I did also try the alernative suggested but it just hung, perhaps if I had waited a bit longer but how long? I did wait a reasonable amount of time. I will try again.
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@Stephen Freeman

Hi Stephen,

Do not try to use Templot to capture a screenshot for the NLS maps, it no longer works from within Templot.

Only the tiled maps work -- the instructions are here:

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/changes-in-templot-version-227.180/post-1548

Not every part of the country is covered, you need to check first using the NLS web site. Some areas have both the 25" maps and the more detailed 50" maps, some have nothing.

If you post details of the location you want, or the NLS link, I will see what's available.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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@Stephen Freeman

Hi Stephen,

The good news is that those locations are now available in the 1:500/528 120"/mile series with much greater detail:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=21&lat=52.57779&lon=-0.25288&layers=117746211&b=12

At present you will have to capture those manually in your browser and use the scaling calculator function:

background shapes: help > calculate size of map screenshot

I will do some digging about and maybe release an updated version of Templot later today.

I will post again in a few minutes.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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The OS Maps app is now also crashing the Windows WebBrowser component since the last Windows10 update.

I'm going to remove it entirely from Templot because it is crashing Templot.

It's a shame, because I can't find any other embeddable web browser component with the same functionality.

Martin.
 
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Stephen Freeman said:
It doesn't crash in win 7 but then I can't get it to work either. The better resolution map is good but it is still a pain to get the screenshot to the right scale in Templot using the autofit option, I still have to adjust the scale manually. 2mm fs

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=20&lat=52.57781&lon=-0.25248&layers=117746211&b=12
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The calculator in Templot will do it for you, but you must have your browser set at the dot-for-dot zoom level.

There is a function in Templot to check that. I will make it available for users, but it means writing yet another long screed of instructions. I can do the coding, but writing the docs is just getting beyond me. Same for the 3D project.

To get them as tiled maps instead, the tile server can be entered using this tiles... button:

tile_server.png


I will post again when I have had some breakfast.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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I have now removed the automated screenshot function from Templot. Automated map loading is now for tiled maps only:

map_changes.png


It's a shame, because I put a lot of time and effort into the screenshot function. But if the latest Windows update has wrecked it, there is no point in leaving it in Templot.

The good news is that the NLS have added two more options for the detailed historic maps. Here for example is a bit of the 60-inch map for Bolton, with some useful detail of the gasworks:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=20&lat=53.58228&lon=-2.41980&layers=117746212&b=1

And the same again at 120-inch:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=20&lat=53.58222&lon=-2.41961&layers=117746211&b=1

It will take me quite a while to find all the tile server URLs -- you can help by finding good railway maps in all these places:

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/find/#zoom=8&lat=52.55209&lon=-1.65756&layers=70&b=1&z=0&point=0,0

and posting the links here. See also:

https://maps.nls.uk/towns/

It's an amazing resource that we now have available. It's just a shame that we don't have the same for more recent dates.

Changes will be in 233d shortly.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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That's now working for the large scale town plans. This is the Bolton gasworks again:

bolton_120_inch2.png



And after using the map clarity functions, and switching off the tile borders:

bolton_120_inch1.png


The auto-scaling has worked well -- the template (P4) matches the map gauge exactly. :)

I will try to get 233d with this released tonight.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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The good news is that now I have found the correct county I can get the tiles option to work just looking forward to the enhancements. Just for the record in case anybody is interested, as far as NLS county is concerned, Peterborough is in Northamptonshire, strange that it now appears to be the county town for Cambridge? and previously has been in Huntingdonshire.

I think I have only been to Peterborough once in my life and that was a mistake. (Took the wrong Motorway in Birmingham).
 
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Just had a play. It only loads 8 tiles to start with, I can live with that, but is there any way to turn off the tile edges? Also the preset for the scale in Templot is still 480 and for the the 120 inch map series it needs to be altered, I can cope with that. Having said all that, the result is a vast improvement and using autofit the track corresponds quite well to 2mm fs.

Just like to lose the tile edges, is this possible?
 
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Stephen Freeman said:
Just had a play. It only loads 8 tiles to start with, I can live with that, but is there any way to turn off the tile edges? Also the preset for the scale in Templot is still 480 and for the the 120 inch map series it needs to be altered, I can cope with that. Having said all that, the result is a vast improvement and using autofit the track corresponds quite well to 2mm fs.

Just like to lose the tile edges, is this possible?
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@Stephen Freeman

Hi Stephen,

If this is ticked, it should be removing the tile borders after loading them:

no_tile_borders1.png



If not, you can remove them by unticking this:

no_tile_borders2.png



You can load more than 8 tiles initially, by changing the initial map size:

no_tile_borders3.png


But don't overdo it, the number of tiles will increase significantly and take ages to load. It is easy to extend the map later if you start small.

Sorry, no idea what you are talking about in something being 480 and needing to be changed? :confused:

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Stephen Freeman said:
the 480 is in the autofit process. Can you remove the tile edges after the event?
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@Stephen Freeman

Hi Stephen,

The autofit process is for manually captured scans and screenshots and other picture shapes. Such as scanned paper maps, model track plans and sketches. Not relevant to the tiled maps functions, which are scaled to fit automatically (provided you have set your gauge/scale first).

To remove or restore the tile borders, tick or untick this at any time:

index.php


Each tile is just an ordinary picture shape.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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