Building Yeovil Pen Mill in EM.

[Hayfield]

Andrew

What a good start to the week in seeing Yeovil back in progress

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew

It's good to see you return to a bit of modelling, I hope that the mojo is sustained for a while!.

Thanks Phil, I hope so as well. At the moment it feels a bit uncertain, but better than it was last year a ago!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew

What a good start to the week in seeing Yeovil back in progress

Thanks very much John, kind of you to say so!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Xen V]

Hi Andrew,

Great to see you making progress on Yeovil, thanks for the update and looking forward to more!

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

Great to see you making progress on Yeovil, thanks for the update and looking forward to more!

Thanks Xen
Not much done in this last week, but hoping that’ll change in the next few days!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Well at long last the mojo seems to be returning. I went to Missenden the week before last for the summer weeks retreat and I think it's done something that last year's trip there failed to do!

I made a bit more progress on the last baseboard, that has been crawling along now, for three or four years. I got the ballasting almost finished and the worst of the point rodding in. I'll say here and now that I am compromising on the rodding, as I'm beginning to think enoughs enough and I need to get a move on. So don't look too closely at it. Obviously it needs painting for a start, and then matched up with rodding on the board adjacent to it, not to mention walkways over the rodding entering the signal box.

And as well as that I made some progress with the 1854 Wills Saddle Tank that I've been posting on the ScaleFour Forum (link below if you're interested) for the last year almost!
https://www.scalefour.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=89&t=8821&start=75

and come to that a signal box might be a step in the right direction as well.

And here's an overall view.

Now, rather unbelievably, I've also started work on the last base board which is the long run down the length of the shed opposite the station. Try as I might I cannot get my Mac to reveal where most of the photos are kept, so it's late and I'm going to quit whilst I'm ahead.

I'm not sure that the two photos that I have managed to extract, will appear either....?

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Rob Manchester]

Hello Andrew,
Great to see you getting some work done with the layout. Hope you are feelings a little more 'get up and go' even though I can appreciate it is a hard thing to do. I checked in on the loco building thread you have been posting and that is looking good too.

Keep your chin up.
Rob

 

[James Walters]

This looks fantastic Andrew. Great to see, thanks for posting.

Hope to see you at Scaleforum.

James

 

[Hayfield]

Andrew

Glad you enjoyed yourself at Missenden, please say hello if you come to Scaleforum

John

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Rob, James and John, many thanks for your encouragement, it does feel very different now for whatever reason, so I'm very glad to be back modeling again and appreciate the interest that's still being shown after all this time!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

So this is the progress on the last bit of baseboard that has remained unbuilt thus far, all 12' of it . It resides 4.0' off the floor, and deliberately there will be no underframing on this section to give me the maximum head height when ducking under it. So I will be relying on the structure of ribs that I use to support scenery(glued and screwed) to give rigidity to the structure and it will be supported by three legs which are 3" garden fence posts. Its probably been done before, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.....

Why the pictures have come out like this, I'm not sure. Can anyone tell me if there's an instruction document to explain how to upload pictures properly?

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

These are two photos from my notebook of the detail of the proposed structure.

The first shows
1. A cross section through the baseboard near the tunnel entrance where the track is lower and the land is building up on both sides.
2. A non scale image of the island baseboard,
3. One of the legs. A 3" square fence post set in a Metpost base. Crude but hopefully effective.

The second shows
1. Cross section through the structure further back near the station where the land either side of the line is below track level
2. A plan view of the structure with the trackbed going down the centre and profile formers/ribs either side.

That's it for now.
Andrew

 

[Rob Manchester]

What no CAD drawings Andrew ? When you can sketch as neat as that who needs them ...

Rob

 

[Hayfield]

So this is the progress on the last bit of baseboard that has remained unbuilt thus far, all 12' of it . It resides 4.0' off the floor, and deliberately there will be no underframing on this section to give me the maximum head height when ducking under it. So I will be relying on the structure of ribs that I use to support scenery(glued and screwed) to give rigidity to the structure and it will be supported by three legs which are 3" garden fence posts. Its probably been done before, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.....

Why the pictures have come out like this, I'm not sure. Can anyone tell me if there's an instruction document to explain how to upload pictures properly?

Kind regards
Andrew


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Andrew

The planned final board(s) look very impressive

 

[Hayfield]

These are two photos from my notebook of the detail of the proposed structure.

The first shows
1. A cross section through the baseboard near the tunnel entrance where the track is lower and the land is building up on both sides.
2. A non scale image of the island baseboard,
3. One of the legs. A 3" square fence post set in a Metpost base. Crude but hopefully effective.

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The second shows
1. Cross section through the structure further back near the station where the land either side of the line is below track level
2. A plan view of the structure with the trackbed going down the centre and profile formers/ribs either side.

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That's it for now.
Andrew

Andrew

Looks like a a thoroughly well thought out plan, looking forward to this section developing

 

[Andrew Duncan]

What no CAD drawings Andrew ? When you can sketch as neat as that who needs them ...

Rob

Shame on me, for I am undone....not a cad in sight! But thanks for your view on my drawing capability!

Actually Rob, it is a skill I'd like to learn, but as it took an age for me to learn Templot at a very basic level, and even then couldn't put a slip or a three way together by myself, maybe I'd not want you holding your breath

Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew

Looks like a a thoroughly well thought out plan, looking forward to this section developing

Thanks very much John. Goes without saying that I could never have done it without Templot(the curves would have been all over the place and the turnout geometry horrible!) and its printouts. And I couldn't have done it either without all the practical help, advice, and lots of encouragement from everyone on here.

But thank you....I really feel like I've got the bit between my teeth now....keep you fingers crossed!

Andrew

 

[Justme Igor]

Great to see you getting some work done with the layout. Hope you are feelings a little more 'get up and go' even though I can appreciate it is a hard thing to do. I checked in on the loco building topic you have been posting and that is looking good too.

second that, aka big plus one, you (Andrew) went to some nasty business.
That nobody is allowed to live or encounter (i am speaking of my own experience) ever....
I love it when you pick things up again.

With best regards and good wishes/fortune, Igor

 

[Justme Igor]

Actually Rob, it is a skill I'd like to lear

Autocad...if it is not your work please keep on drawing with a pencil, just saying.
Love your modelling work btw, really neat and well done! pic's are not mignifible but what i saw was very nice, lust for the eye!

 

[Justme Igor]

I think it is safe to say: welcome back? Anyhow i am looking forward for you prosses.
I really enjoyed it, you are still welcome to my address, my house is still under cunstrion, but oke.

Stay good, with best regards Igor

 

[Tony W]

Rob, James and John, many thanks for your encouragement, it does feel very different now for whatever reason, so I'm very glad to be back modeling again and appreciate the interest that's still being shown after all this time!
Kind regards
Andrew

Hi Andrew.
Yes, great to see you rediscovering your modelling mojo. When the time is right you know and the interest returns naturally. So looking forward to seeing further progress with your project.
Regards
Tony.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

I think it is safe to say: welcome back? Anyhow i am looking forward for you prosses.
I really enjoyed it, you are still welcome to my address, my house is still under cunstrion, but oke.

Stay good, with best regards Igor

Thanks very much Igor, you are very kind and understanding. Your comments and enthusiasm are very welcome and I find them very touching.

Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew.
Yes, great to see you rediscovering your modelling mojo. When the time is right you know and the interest returns naturally. So looking forward to seeing further progress with your project.
Regards
Tony.

Very good to hear from you Tony, and thank you for your words of encouragement. I've not looked at Brimsdown for quite a while until tonight. I see you are or were in the midst of building a huge quantity of mineral wagons in March. Has this made progress or have you gone back to layout building again?
Andrew

 

[Tony W]

Very good to hear from you Tony, and thank you for your words of encouragement. I've not looked at Brimsdown for quite a while until tonight. I see you are or were in the midst of building a huge quantity of mineral wagons in March. Has this made progress or have you gone back to layout building again?
Andrew

Hi Andrew.
Thanks for asking.
It has been a while since I last posted on the Scalefour forum.
The batch of mineral wagons have now reached the paint shop. I was a bit shocked to find that I first started construction of these last September, so it will be over a year before they get completed. This is mainly due to the health problems both my wife and myself are having plus other responsibilities, which I won't go into here. (If you want to know more I will send you an email.) I have though been attending to some outstanding issues with the layout recently, plus I have been trying to teach the layout a new trick that I will reveal in due course.
Regards
Tony.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hello Tony
I'm sorry to hear of your health problems, perhaps we could discuss more via email?

I would be publicly interested to know more on layout stuff, and as to teaching the layout a new trick....well that sounds intriguing, to say the least. I'll hope to hear from you on all counts when you have a moment.

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Work is continuing....not an awful lot to show for it, but here are a couple of photos of the progress on "Island" that is "the open main line" that runs down the opposite side of the shed to the station
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Hayfield]

Andrew

Wow!!, looks like a major step forward to me.

John

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew

Wow!!, looks like a major step forward to me.

John

Thanks John, it just seems slow to me... lots of niggling small jobs that take up time and don't really show!
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hello
I'm a little embarrassed to admit that after a number of years, of not having done anything in Templot (such as altering the track plan or print from it) I find I can do neither!

1. Can anyone tell me why, when I go to print some of the baseboard edges, Templot comes up with a dialog box saying "Access Violation of address" and a series of numbers....
2. When I attempted to create a crossover it came up with a box referring to track spacing, which I just didn't understand....

Written with a slightly red face!

Andrew

 

[Hayfield]

Andrew

Don't be embarrassed, the track spacing is the gap between the tracks, do yo have either a standard you use or is the track spacing to the area you are building. The standard 6'was is pre-set to 44.67. Some settle for 50mm. gap between the running line and sidings somewhere between 9 7 10' as a minimum

At a guess baseboard outlines can be made using shapes

John

 

[Phil O]

Hi Andrew,

Can you post the box and shapes files, and I will have a look tomorrow morning.

From memory, there was a change to the track spacing dialogue box 18 months or so ago, I had to do battle with a day or so ago, when I wanted spacings greater than the slider provision.

As for the baseboard edges, I will see what I can do, if Martin or others don't beat me to it.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

Can you post the box and shapes files, and I will have a look tomorrow morning.

From memory, there was a change to the track spacing dialogue box 18 months or so ago, I had to do battle with a day or so ago, when I wanted spacings greater than the slider provision.

As for the baseboard edges, I will see what I can do, if Martin or others don't beat me to it.

Hello Phil (and John)
Thank you both.
1. I'm sorry but would you remind me how to post a box file. Is it just a matter of attaching the box file with the "attach files " button?

2. The baseboard edges I've already marked (several years ago when I could use Templot properly...I think I used a function to draw the centre line only for plain track?!) which you will see in the box file. But Its then how to print them that I'm struggling with....!

Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

This is a try. I don't know if it'll work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
Andrew

 

[Hayfield]

Andrew

I am the wrong person to teach someone else about Templot but I will give it a try

1 Open Shapes
2 New shapes
click rectangle, and by dimensions then click add shape
3 ignore first two boxes, add dimensions in next two boxes (eg 1200, 600) ignore 5th box and press enter a blue strip will appear in the drop down box and a red box line will appear in Templot

If you want to move it change from new shape to modify, press the shift button in Mouse actions box and shift with mouse

4 to add a second box of the same size, simply press add shape, a second blue line will appear, on Templot its over the first box, change to modify shape, click shift and move with mouse

Hope this helps

John

 

[Hayfield]

This is a try. I don't know if it'll work. I'm keeping my fingers crossed!
Andrew

Andrew

Sorry but I cannot open your box

John

 

[Bill Lobb]

Andrew

Sorry but I cannot open your box

John

The name is too long. I renamed the downloaded zip folder to "Yeovil" and then it opened fine.

Bill

 

[Phil O]

Hi Andrew,

I have managed to open the box file, the next question is where do you want the crossover? and what minimum radius are you working to?

I see that in the fiddleyard area to the left, that you look to be adding a siding or loop!

Enough questions to be getting on with.

It'll take me a while to sort the baseboard edges. Is there a specific are that you need ASAP?

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

I have managed to open the box file, the next question is where do you want the crossover? and what minimum radius are you working to?

I see that in the fiddleyard area to the left, that you look to be adding a siding or loop!

Enough questions to be getting on with.

It'll take me a while to sort the baseboard edges. Is there a specific are that you need ASAP?

Firstly thank you everyone!

Secondly the baseboard edges are already there, I just need to be able to print the area of the baseboard edge around the far left hand end of the layout, to then be able to lay that out on plywood to then cut it to the correct shape. And I'm having trouble with an error message that comes up when I attempt to print. Maynbe its the long length of file name that Bill identified?

Thirdly and to answer your question Phil, I am attempting to put in a crossover, on the line going south out of Yeovil, (which is just before the tunnel ie just before the line curves sharply and dives back under the station). I'm typing this on a Mac at the moment, so I cant open the box file, but from memory, I've made the section of track "live, or The Control" if I remember my terminology correctly, roughly where I want the crossing to go. It maybe the bit you mistook for the fiddleyard?

On the main line I'm working to about 3' 6" min radius, and in fact I'd probably go to 4'6" or even 5' 0'' in this location.

Thank you for all your help

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Phil O]

Hi Andrew,

It may be that your printer doesn't like the file name, Just use Yeovil, Templot will add the date and time for you.

For the crossover, you insert a turnout in the control template and adjust it as required to get the curvature you want and the use the make crossover function, this will ask you for the track centres, you are currently using 50.67mm track centres.

I will try a single page print after lunch to see what prints.

 

[Phil O]

Hi Andrew,

I have printed the layout, It looks as though it has printed everything that was showing on the trackpad. I added a trailing crossover where I think you wanted, if it's incorrect I can change it. I have attached a scan of the print, the baseboard edges are very feint, but can be seen if you blow the image up.