Building Yeovil Pen Mill in EM.

[Tony W]

Hello
I'm a little embarrassed to admit that after a number of years, of not having done anything in Templot (such as altering the track plan or print from it) I find I can do neither!


2. When I attempted to create a crossover it came up with a box referring to track spacing, which I just didn't understand....


Andrew

Hi Andrew.
I had a similar problem with the track spacing window, see this post, which may help you to understand what is going on.
https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/problem-with-altering-track-spacings.565/#post-5449
You will need to scroll up a bit to see the relevant posts.
Regards
Tony.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

I have printed the layout, It looks as though it has printed everything that was showing on the trackpad. I added a trailing crossover where I think you wanted, if it's incorrect I can change it. I have attached a scan of the print, the baseboard edges are very feint, but can be seen if you blow the image up.

Thanks very much Phil. I'll have a look tomorrow when I'll have a PC and an A3 printer with which to try it out.
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

I have printed the layout, It looks as though it has printed everything that was showing on the trackpad. I added a trailing crossover where I think you wanted, if it's incorrect I can change it. I have attached a scan of the print, the baseboard edges are very feint, but can be seen if you blow the image up.

Hello Phil
The baseboard edges that I needed printed off, have worked finer today...So thank you very much indeed!

Another embarrassing question. How do I hide the template file names....for the life of me I cant recall how I did it countless times in the past.
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Hayfield]

Hello Phil
The baseboard edges that I needed printed off, have worked finer today...So thank you very much indeed!

Another embarrassing question. How do I hide the template file names....for the life of me I cant recall how I did it countless times in the past.
Kind regards
Andrew

Andrew

I will try and get this one right

Top task bar click track pad

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How is the layout coming along?

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew

I will try and get this one right

Top task bar click track pad

4 sections down hide labels

How is the layout coming along?

Thanks very much John...sorted!

The layout is making a bit of progress. I'm sorting out the "Plug-in Scenery" around the far end of the layout where the line goes south out of Yeovil towards Weymouth. This is necessary to be able to then build the scenery on the run down to the tunnel. I hope all will be obvious over the next few weeks.....

Keep your fingers crossed!

Phil
Thank you for the crossing you installed, and yes it was in the right place.
Kind regards to you both.
Andrew

 

[Phil O]

Andrew,

Great to hear that progress is being made.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

A step in the right direction. The base of the "plug-in Scenery"boards around the curved end of the layout (the main line coming south out of Yeovil, heading towards Weymouth) with the river and the leat "roughed" in place with the two blue boards indicating their approximate positions.

 

[Rob Manchester]

Hi Andrew,
For your many viewers information here is a sketch of the lines around Yeovil.

Courtesy of Yeovil's Virtual Museum that has much to interest the historian of the area.

The very useful NLS 'mapping' site seems to be running very slowly today for some reason otherwise I would have inserted a map image showing the river and leat( AKA Mill stream ) you mention.

Good to see you having some quality time on the layout.

Rob

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,
For your many viewers information here is a sketch of the lines around Yeovil.
View attachment 11173
Courtesy of Yeovil's Virtual Museum that has much to interest the historian of the area.

The very useful NLS 'mapping' site seems to be running very slowly today for some reason otherwise I would have inserted a map image showing the river and leat( AKA Mill stream ) you mention.

Good to see you having some quality time on the layout.

Rob

Hello Rob
Thank you, very thoughtful of you, and no doubt will help everyone, when I refer to " the line going south towards Weymouth". In fact thinking along the same lines, here is Iain's original drawing for the layout, which, by and large, we have stuck to.

Better get off to work now!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

I couldn't sleep....!

Four "00" locos awaiting conversion, "placed" on the as yet unwired YPM MPD. The reason for the photo is this the start of the gradient down on the line to Weymouth. The Mill Stream/leat is represented by the curved MDF shape that goes out of sight behind the end of the MPD. CArboard formers are partially evident ....the beginings of me just trying to get the lie of the land....

A little further on round the bend, showing the river Yeo curving off left.....

And still further on, which is where the quite severe gradient of 1:60 starts.

My constant reminder that I've got an awful lot of stock to convert to EM. Seen here are a 31XX class Prairie, an 1813 class built from a Wills kit by Iain Rice, and 850 Saddle Tank, and an 1854 class minus its chimney, dome , saftey valve and fillers.

Time to go back to bed.
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Some cardboard formers mocked up to see how the land will lie. By the time it gets to just behind where the camera is, it needs to be in a deepish cutting.

Andrew

 

[Rob Manchester]

Hi Andrew,
I hope all the trains are going to be to the same scale ?...unlike the Spitfires in the picture.

Looks like a fair pile of unbuilt kits under the bench too....do I spot a few Mallard kits in there ?

Rob

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hello Rob
Yup the Spitfires are 1:72 and 1;48(I think), just beautiful planes that I couldn't resist building....

The kit pile is a bit too large is it not? Yes there are Mallard coach kits, plus a Duke class a Barnum and an Armstrong Goods, although they maybe Blacksmith kits actually. Then there's a Gibson 850 Pannier, a 1076 Buffalo, a 4-4-2 County tank, a deep frame Bulldog(Finney), a Saint, a Metro, a 3232 and probably several more that I've forgotten about. Better get a move on......!

Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Todays work was to cut out more cardboard landscape formers (to be replaced with thin ply once profiles are correct) to see how these last two baseboards look. At this point in the model of YPM, we are now firmly in fantasy land. Firstly the line is going downhill coming south out of Yeovil, and it should be going up. The tunnel is by miles, far too close to the station. And the LSWR line should also be running alongside it for a while, so yes this make believe.

So going under the line as it curves around the end of the shed, are the mill stream, the river Yeo,and I'm intending to have a lane/farm track with a bridge or underpass, to add some sort of added interest and intrigue. Then as it gets nearer the tunnel, a deepening cutting.

This view is looking north towards Yeovil

And this one looking south towards Weymouth. I don't think it quite right yet, but perhaps not too far off.

 

[Phil O]

Andrew,

Would it not be better, to move the crossover at the tunnel, towards the station, such that both ends are outside the tunnel mouth, this would be more prototypical.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew,

Would it not be better, to move the crossover at the tunnel, towards the station, such that both ends are outside the tunnel mouth, this would be more prototypical.

Hello Phil
Yes, I think you are right, and in that regard, I've a mind to move it a foot or 18" toward the station. However the reason for putting it there is for banking purposes. I believe that goods trains such as the regular coal train going to Weymouth (for fueling the steam ships) were banked from Yeovil.

For me its the opposite way round (the bank to be prototypical should be climbing out of Yeovil going south, not falling) and I don't know yet whether my Aberdare class or 28XX will pull a 30 wagon train of "empties" up the 1:60 gradient. So a banker running light out of Yeovil needs the ability to cross to the up line behind the coal train.

If I put the crossing too far up the coal train will be blocking it.

It has also crossed my mind that, I don't know what the Great Western did about making arrangements for bankers. Might they have laid in a siding at the bottom of the gradient, especially for this purpose? In which case would there need to be a signal box down there to control this?

Bit of a minefield...
Better get back to work!

Any more thoughts/knowledge would be very welcome!
Kind regards
Andrew

 

[Phil O]

Andrew,

Is there enough space to move the crossover off scene? That way, the attaching of the banker would happen off scene, plenty of examples of trains being banked through tunnels.

 

[Phil O]

Andrew,

I have had a thought,I am assuming that that Aberdare is a kit, what make is it? Please. I may be able to help, in getting the weight up.

 

[Hayfield]

Todays work was to cut out more cardboard landscape formers (to be replaced with thin ply once profiles are correct) to see how these last two baseboards look. At this point in the model of YPM, we are now firmly in fantasy land. Firstly the line is going downhill coming south out of Yeovil, and it should be going up. The tunnel is by miles, far too close to the station. And the LSWR line should also be running alongside it for a while, so yes this make believe.

So going under the line as it curves around the end of the shed, are the mill stream, the river Yeo,and I'm intending to have a lane/farm track with a bridge or underpass, to add some sort of added interest and intrigue. Then as it gets nearer the tunnel, a deepening cutting.

This view is looking north towards Yeovil



View attachment 11352


And this one looking south towards Weymouth. I don't think it quite right yet, but perhaps not too far off.

View attachment 11353

A mine Pendon in the making, they use card as the formers everywhere

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Andrew,

Is there enough space to move the crossover off scene? That way, the attaching of the banker would happen off scene, plenty of examples of trains being banked through tunnels.

Hello Phil
I might be able to fit the crossover into the tunnel area, possibly?

Andrew,

I have had a thought,I am assuming that that Aberdare is a kit, what make is it? Please. I may be able to help, in getting the weight up.

Hello Phil
Yes, it is a kit. It's in white metal and I think may have been the K's one originally (sold to Nu Cast?).

I do have a Finney 28xx, yet to be built, and I've wondered about using one of Chris Gibbons High Level tender drive gearboxes to put the motor in the tender to allow the firebox and two thirds of the boiler to be lead filled, in an effort to get the required pulling power. But that is a major project all by itself and will be a few years off I think.

What are your thoughts on loco weighting?
Andrew

 

[Andrew Duncan]

A mine Pendon in the making, they use card as the formers everywhere

Hello John
Thanks for the compliment, but I doubt theirs has to provide the torsional strength that my scenery has to do, as mine is going to provide the backbone of each of these two island boards.... A bit of an ask, that I hope I don't live to regret!

 

[Phil O]

Hi Andrew,

I have managed to get the boiler and firebox weight upto 120 grams for the Finney 26xx. I cut pieces of lead to fit in the firebox, leaving enough space for a vertically mounted motor and disks of lead into the boiler starting at the smokebox end, when I get back home next week I will take a few photos of the firebox, you can't see the lead in the boiler barrel.

 

[Andrew Duncan]

Hi Andrew,

I have managed to get the boiler and firebox weight upto 120 grams for the Finney 26xx. I cut pieces of lead to fit in the firebox, leaving enough space for a vertically mounted motor and disks of lead into the boiler starting at the smokebox end, when I get back home next week I will take a few photos of the firebox, you can't see the lead in the boiler barrel.

Hello Phil
I think I should unearth my 26xx and weigh it. Of course the proof of its pulling power will be in its actual ability to get 30 wagons to the top the gradient successfully. It should be a reasonably easy convert from 00 to EM, so whilst I wouldn't want you to hold your breath, it should be an early convert to new gauge!

Andrew