Building Yeovil Pen Mill in EM.

Andrew Duncan

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Andrew

I do know what you mean, but for different reasons. The thing is just to do something, it might be by bringing a small project into the house like building a wagon kit. For me doing a little taster gets me going

I had a stroke of luck as I recently won on eBay a LSWR A12, built to EM gauge and just needing hand rails and lining (The wheels and motor are worth more than I paid).

I am in the process of starting a little cameo layout and I need a bit of your ingenuity where fitting point motors/servos are concerned

John
Hello John
Thanks again for the encouragement, and I think you're probably right ...something small to just get the modeling juices flowing again!
I'm sure I should know what an A12 is but I don't. Got a photo in all its unlined glory?
Not sure I can give you help at all let alone in the ingenuity department but if you want to share more then please do and perhaps someone here will be able to help?

Kind regards
Andrew
 
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Tony W

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Hello Andrew.
From my personal experience, one just has to let the healing process take its course. After my parents died, it took me several months to get over it. After Mum died, we had to look after dad for nearly 18 months and then there was the business of sorting out the estate. The strange thing was that when Dad was with us, I did manage to get some modelling done, but after he passed away and I had some time on my hands, I just could not get back into it and I would find myself just lost in thought with no motivation. I eventually realised that with looking after Dad, I had not been able to mourn the loss of Mum and now I was mourning them both. It just takes time.
Best wishes
Tony.
 
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Hello Andrew.
From my personal experience, one just has to let the healing process take its course. After my parents died, it took me several months to get over it. After Mum died, we had to look after dad for nearly 18 months and then there was the business of sorting out the estate. The strange thing was that when Dad was with us, I did manage to get some modelling done, but after he passed away and I had some time on my hands, I just could not get back into it and I would find myself just lost in thought with no motivation. I eventually realised that with looking after Dad, I had not been able to mourn the loss of Mum and now I was mourning them both. It just takes time.
Best wishes
Tony.
Hi, I think your experience is not unusual as I found myself in much the same situation some years ago.
 
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Hayfield

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Hello John
Thanks again for the encouragement, and I think you're probably right ...something small to just get the modeling juices flowing again!
I'm sure I should know what an A12 is but I don't. Got a photo in all its unlined glory?
Not sure I can give you help at all let alone in the ingenuity department but if you want to share more then please do and perhaps someone here will be able to help?

Kind regards
Andrew

Not quite up to your standards small 48" x 18" cameo layout enclosed at the sides and rear

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The idea is to copy this arrangement. Entrance to a warehouse on a viaduct, which then grew to a diorama which also showed off some motor vechial's I have. Further complicated with the idea of the trackbed being interchangeable with either an EM gauge one or an 00 gauge version, this is probably a step too far for me
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The main issue was initially two of the 3 tiebars were in a bridge section, now only one is but the servos will be within the viaduct. The trackbed is plastic soffit board, light but strong. So far the timbers are stuck down, just about to do the same with the sleeper panels

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I am trying out different angles for the track bed.

Both 3 story warehouses will be reduced by 1 section in length. The taller one on the right will have a split level facing on to the road. The other side of the railway track (right front) will have various height buildings

Front left will have an arches scene, perhaps market stalls this side of the bridge, or the start of a terrace

The baseboard will have cut outs where the enclosed viaducts are for access to the bottom of the track beds

The buildings will look quite a bit different, just trying to get an idea of their mass

Sorry for high jacking your thread
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Hello Andrew.
From my personal experience, one just has to let the healing process take its course. After my parents died, it took me several months to get over it. After Mum died, we had to look after dad for nearly 18 months and then there was the business of sorting out the estate. The strange thing was that when Dad was with us, I did manage to get some modelling done, but after he passed away and I had some time on my hands, I just could not get back into it and I would find myself just lost in thought with no motivation. I eventually realised that with looking after Dad, I had not been able to mourn the loss of Mum and now I was mourning them both. It just takes time.
Best wishes
Tony.
Thanks very much for sharing these thoughts and experiences Tony. Courageous and sensitive of you to say so publically. And you know all this helps (me and others maybe?) because it is a part of the healing process.
Thank you
Andrew
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Hi, I think your experience is not unusual as I found myself in much the same situation some years ago.
Hello Stephen,
If there's one thing for sure in life, its that it will come to an end eventually. So I'm sure you are correct in what you say, and I often now wonder if we shouldn't talk about it rather more than we usually do...?
Kind regards
Andrew
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Not quite up to your standards small 48" x 18" cameo layout enclosed at the sides and rear

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The idea is to copy this arrangement. Entrance to a warehouse on a viaduct, which then grew to a diorama which also showed off some motor vechial's I have. Further complicated with the idea of the trackbed being interchangeable with either an EM gauge one or an 00 gauge version, this is probably a step too far for me
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The main issue was initially two of the 3 tiebars were in a bridge section, now only one is but the servos will be within the viaduct. The trackbed is plastic soffit board, light but strong. So far the timbers are stuck down, just about to do the same with the sleeper panels

View attachment 2887

I am trying out different angles for the track bed.

Both 3 story warehouses will be reduced by 1 section in length. The taller one on the right will have a split level facing on to the road. The other side of the railway track (right front) will have various height buildings

Front left will have an arches scene, perhaps market stalls this side of the bridge, or the start of a terrace

The baseboard will have cut outs where the enclosed viaducts are for access to the bottom of the track beds

The buildings will look quite a bit different, just trying to get an idea of their mass

Sorry for high jacking your thread
An interesting project John, No need to apologise, I asked you for a photo of an A12...you have given us a whole layout. Looks as though this is another thread/topic/layout thread in the making to me. I love layouts like this, Iain has planned several of them and he always makes them look highly atmospheric. Your looks like it's in the same mold.
Andrew
PS can you send a pic of an A12?
 
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If there's one thing for sure in life, its that it will come to an end eventually. So I'm sure you are correct in what you say, and I often now wonder if we shouldn't talk about it rather more than we usually do...?

Hello Andrew,

Here's a man talking about the loss of two sons. It might help. Take care.


Martin.
 
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Hayfield

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An interesting project John, No need to apologise, I asked you for a photo of an A12...you have given us a whole layout. Looks as though this is another thread/topic/layout thread in the making to me. I love layouts like this, Iain has planned several of them and he always makes them look highly atmospheric. Your looks like it's in the same mold.
Andrew
PS can you send a pic of an A12?

Andrew sorry I miss-read your reply. I have long been an admirer of the GEM LBSCR Gladstone loco something about 0-4-2's nut these are not as common, Think they are now available RTR. But as I said I paid about as much as a set of wheels and a Mashima motor would cost me. Finished its worth so much more

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It has been nicely built and runs well as it has Gibson wheels, Mashima motor and I think its a Comet gearbox

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As well as lining and new handrails the cab interior also needs painting. All the hard work has been done to a super standard and as I said the bonus is its in EM gauge. The chassis needs painting, I think the chassis is scratch built and has compensation on all 3 wheelsets. I will have to think about the painting as I don't want to either damage the wheels or their paint.

These kits are available again via the NuCast Partnership at £95 with the basic NuCast etched chassis side frames

The background is my kit bashed Ratio station building in to a similar configuration as Bodmin General, soaked up 3 kits and OK its GWR, but in the right area and its modelled on the preservation era
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Andrew sorry I miss-read your reply. I have long been an admirer of the GEM LBSCR Gladstone loco something about 0-4-2's nut these are not as common, Think they are now available RTR. But as I said I paid about as much as a set of wheels and a Mashima motor would cost me. Finished its worth so much more

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It has been nicely built and runs well as it has Gibson wheels, Mashima motor and I think its a Comet gearbox

View attachment 2896

As well as lining and new handrails the cab interior also needs painting. All the hard work has been done to a super standard and as I said the bonus is its in EM gauge. The chassis needs painting, I think the chassis is scratch built and has compensation on all 3 wheelsets. I will have to think about the painting as I don't want to either damage the wheels or their paint.

These kits are available again via the NuCast Partnership at £95 with the basic NuCast etched chassis side frames

The background is my kit bashed Ratio station building in to a similar configuration as Bodmin General, soaked up 3 kits and OK its GWR, but in the right area and its modelled on the preservation era
Lovely loco John. And a very attractive wheel arrangement and a great livery. I'll really look forward to seeing this lined out and finished off. Are you going to line it by hand or use commercial lining?
Andrew
 
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Hayfield

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I have a bow pen and every now and then have a practice, but still not quite got the knack. I think its a cheap one so I may invest in a new one. I think with this loco its a thick black outer and a very thin white inner line

I will have to ask what others do

The more I look at the chassis the luckier I feel as its a work of art

Thank you for taking so much interest
 
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I have a bow pen and every now and then have a practice, but still not quite got the knack. I think its a cheap one so I may invest in a new one. I think with this loco its a thick black outer and a very thin white inner line

I will have to ask what others do

The more I look at the chassis the luckier I feel as its a work of art

Thank you for taking so much interest
I remember many years ago, Ian Rathbone had a small demo at Warley and was selling bow-pens after he had refined them. I believe that as they come they are too sharp (?) and he just gently smoothed them with an oilstone (I think). I did buy one from him before he sold out but I can't say it really improved my ability in that sphere.
 
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Andrew Duncan

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I remember many years ago, Ian Rathbone had a small demo at Warley and was selling bow-pens after he had refined them. I believe that as they come they are too sharp (?) and he just gently smoothed them with an oilstone (I think). I did buy one from him before he sold out but I can't say it really improved my ability in that sphere.
Hello Stephen
That sounds familiar to me, pens being honed with an oil stone. There must be someone on this forum who actually has experience of their use? I use a Bob Moore pen which I find pretty easy to use but it won't give the fineness of line that a good bow pen will.
Andrew
 
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There is a brief paragraph on the subject in Steve Barnfields book "Modelling Railways Illustrated Handbooks No3 Painting and lining". Having said that, I have had more luck with Rotring pens, however you have to remove the wire inside the nib thus rendering them unusable for their normal purpose. Are rotrings still with us in this digital age?
 
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Andrew Duncan

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I have a bow pen and every now and then have a practice, but still not quite got the knack. I think its a cheap one so I may invest in a new one. I think with this loco its a thick black outer and a very thin white inner line

I will have to ask what others do

The more I look at the chassis the luckier I feel as its a work of art

Thank you for taking so much interest
It's a real pleasure John. May I make another request...if you feel it's worth it. A photo of the chassis if it would show its "art"?
Andrew
 
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Hayfield

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It's a real pleasure John. May I make another request...if you feel it's worth it. A photo of the chassis if it would show its "art"?
Andrew
Andrew

No problem as I have not removed the chassis yet and it gives me the chance to have a look

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As you can see I will need to add a new front footstep, hopefully I will have something quite close as its part of the side footplate casting, at worst I will make a mould from the other side. As you can see it is a nicely made basic chassis frame

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The two front drivers are on twin link beam giving 3/4 point compensation, the rear wheels are on a beam pivot between the rear driver and rear wheels, the axles have no bearings but the axle holes are elongated on the vertical axis giving a 3 rocker point. Seems to be done as per Mike Sharman's Flexichas method

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It looks like this is a different chassis to that which was built with the loco. The tender has an unconnected pickup system, which I assume dates back to the initial build, but there are no signs it was ever connected electrically to the new chassis

The chassis fixing is a single bolt at the front, the rear slides into the cab dragbeam. The instructions show the original cast whitemetal chassis, the tender still has the original cast chassis

The circular round whitemetal piece is one of two that were in the body, they fit nicely into the smokebox (I cannot see another use for them)
 
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Andrew Duncan

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Andrew

No problem as I have not removed the chassis yet and it gives me the chance to have a look

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As you can see I will need to add a new front footstep, hopefully I will have something quite close as its part of the side footplate casting, at worst I will make a mould from the other side. As you can see it is a nicely made basic chassis frame

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The two front drivers are on twin link beam giving 3/4 point compensation, the rear wheels are on a beam pivot between the rear driver and rear wheels, the axles have no bearings but the axle holes are elongated on the vertical axis giving a 3 rocker point. Seems to be done as per Mike Sharman's Flexichas method

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It looks like this is a different chassis to that which was built with the loco. The tender has an unconnected pickup system, which I assume dates back to the initial build, but there are no signs it was ever connected electrically to the new chassis

The chassis fixing is a single bolt at the front, the rear slides into the cab dragbeam. The instructions show the original cast whitemetal chassis, the tender still has the original cast chassis

The circular round whitemetal piece is one of two that were in the body, they fit nicely into the smokebox (I cannot see another use for them)
Hello John
As you say very nicely built chassis and really good that it has full compensation. The two locos I've built with it, rather than one fixed axel that most of my locos have, do really glide along the track in a very convincing manner as if they were sprung. I feel sure that if you can get the tender pickup connected again that this would prove beneficial and maybe even put very fine wire pickup on the trailing wheels...?
Lovely loco John, thanks for the photos.

Andrew
 
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