FDM chairs in 0 gauge

[Martin Wynne]

As for Neptune printers I am in 2 minds, one is wait for the latest version

@Hayfield

Hi John,

It is only my guess that there is a Neptune 5 coming any time soon, and if there is it will certainly cost a lot more than the current 4. I don't know what improvements it might have -- probably none that will affect printing track. A built-in camera for example for watching it on your phone when you are away from it.

The significant difference in the code125 rail is the much thicker rail web. If you make chairs for 131 you will struggle to get 125 into them. Your best bet in the short-term is to use the default EMGS code75 profile -- Templot will scale it up to 7mm scale.

Some COT track for code 125 is on the Neptune 4 printer now.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

A test piece on the printer chairs for code 131 rail, far less stringing than turnout bricks

about 60 seconds with tweezers removed most of the strings

Code 125 rail a tight fit, but the chairs are very robust (no I have not got brown filament, must be reflected from backscreen)

Here is one for the boffins, brick 1 will not print !! I have now made 2 files tried to print both

As you can see the first layer is not laying down. The 3 other bricks printed fine all before this one, I have also printed the five sleepers just before the second file failed (twice) again using exactly the same settings as the other 3 bricks

Something in the file is going wrong, I made a second file but if anything its worse than the first file prints

I did think it may be the printer but I also tested 2 other file which worked perfectly

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

It is only my guess that there is a Neptune 5 coming any time soon, and if there is it will certainly cost a lot more than the current 4. I don't know what improvements it might have -- probably none that will affect printing track. A built-in camera for example for watching it on your phone when you are away from it.

The significant difference in the code125 rail is the much thicker rail web. If you make chairs for 131 you will struggle to get 125 into them. Your best bet in the short-term is to use the default EMGS code75 profile -- Templot will scale it up to 7mm scale.

Some COT track for code 125 is on the Neptune 4 printer now.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

I did a test print prior to your reply, the print had a secondary use proving my machine works fine

By the way the gauge came out at 31.64mm

I must say very impressed, the chairs seem more robust than the previous version using code 75 resized

Perhaps the web thickness was one of the reasons Phil had the code 131 made. Has the rail ever come under such close scrutiny before ?

 

[Hayfield]

I have attached both files which fail to print in case someone can find the fault

 

[Martin Wynne]

@James Walters

Hi James,

Having established that the Neptune 4 can print acceptable chairs in FDM for 0 gauge, the next question in this never-ending experiment is "can it print them directly onto laser-cut plywood timbers?"

Because the Neptune uses an inductive sensor, it would be necessary to start with some thin metal on top of the timbers, which is quickly removed as soon as it starts printing.

Is this feasible or another daft idea? Apart from the advantage of real wood effect, it would speed up the FDM process very significantly. Something would have to be designed to replace the connector clips.

For loose jaws, it might be possible to laser-cut holes in the plywood below the pin slots. To be workable the timbers would need to be 5mm thick. Can the laser cut that thickness cleanly?

It might work on less expensive MDF too, which might be milled on the CNC instead of laser-cut, with drilled pin slots.

Or it might be a distraction too far, with no obvious advantage over laser-cut plug track.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Hayfield @James Walters

Hi John,

I can hardly believe this.

For 0 gauge.

This is straight off the Neptune 4, still warm. No cleaning up done. There just isn't anything to clean up, there's no stringing at all:

I improved the quality a little by reducing the layers from 0.12mm to 0.10mm. Also switched on ironing for the timber tops.

The chairs are for code 125, but still a fraction tight and need some tweaking.

The chairs are not far behind resin for quality, and at least as good as injection-moulded.

I don't really know where to go next with this distraction. I must get on with Templot5 with Scaleforum nearing.

p.s. for the above print, I switched off the spacer blocks, which need some thought as to how to include them. Possibly on their own bit of timber flange, so that they can be threaded at the same time (but with the support visible).

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

Martin

Fantastic !!, for 0 gauge its a game changer and I bet Mr Peco is worried

I see you are printing 12 timbers in a brick, a b7 turnout has 33 timbers, only 3 bricks required.

Where to go first is as planned Templot 5 is priority number 1

For 0 gaugers a quick tweak with the rail fit (if it is a quick tweak) and keep it as experimental, then I guess its on with the K crossing

Back to the 0 gauge you can leave the two options, plug track and what ever you decide to call the FDM prints

Talking about Scaleforum, did the clips on the B7 work and if so can I have a copy of the file please

John

 

[Martin Wynne]

Talking about Scaleforum, did the clips on the B7 work and if so can I have a copy of the file please

@Hayfield

Hi John,

Yes they did, and I made some test prints. Then I realised it needed something tweaked, and now I can't remember what it was. I will sort it out and post them soonest.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

Back to the 0 gauge you can leave the two options, plug track and what ever you decide to call the FDM prints

@Hayfield

Hi John,

I'm calling it COT track -- chairs on timbers.

Don't forget there is still the issue of the knuckle bends. We could possibly have loose jaws for the knuckle chairs and wing rails, which could maybe be FDM-printed loose jaws. With the thinner timbers they will need shorter pins which means glued in place rather than clipped -- but there are only 6 needed for a turnout.

For the other bends -- stock rail set bend and check rail ends -- I think the FDM chairs are flexible enough to allow the bent rail to slide through.

Plenty to think about -- and it does only really make sense for the Neptune 4 and presumably other Klipper-based printers. You have done better than me on the Kingroon, but I don't think we can suggest cot track for Marlin-based printers generally, there would be too much feedback about failed prints. Unless someone else volunteers to field the feedback!

Also I would like some confirmation that it works on other Neptune 4 printers, and mine isn't a fluke.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

I have attached both files which fail to print in case someone can find the fault

@Hayfield

Hi John,

There is nothing wrong with your printer. The reason for the problem is that you included the switch drive slider ribs (tie-bar ribs). They won't fit in the depth of the thin timbers and are protruding through the underside of the base:

This means the printer is unable to print the base firmly down onto the bed and it's a miracle any of it stuck to the bed.

The short-term answer is to switch the ribs off for cot track, untick this box:

Something will have to be sorted out for these in cot track. Also the crossing spacer blocks. Also we need to decide whether to include the dropper-wire retaining ridges. The connector clips should work ok.

There is always more to everything than meets the eye.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

.
Here is the Cura profile which I am using for the above cot track (integral chairs on timbers).

This profile is for the Elegoo Neptune 4 printer only.

This profile is for the branded Elegoo Cura 5.6 version of Cura only (can be downloaded from the Elegoo web site). It is unlikely to work in other versions of Cura.

This is intended for 0 gauge cot track (7mm/ft scale) and above. It probably won't work well, or at all, in the smaller scales.

The print speed is about 7 minutes per sleeper for plain track, and averaging about 11 minutes per timber for pointwork (0 gauge).

It could be significantly speeded up by reducing the print quality.

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

Martin

Thanks for the replies, I seem to have missed out on the cheapest deals for the Neptune 4 printer, but with the speed of printing, print quality and bigger build plate I will be up grading my printer sooner rather than later

If the chairs are as good as injection moulded chairs then you have hit the nail on the head for all but the most fastidious modeler. Just need to have the gap which holds the rail opened a tad

My second print seems to have far more robust chairs than the old 125 ones, Its still a tad under gauge 31.7 (ish) probably down to the oversized head, but still within tolerances for GOA fine. I will measure a different batch. As it is this rail does not fit C&L (one piece) roller gauges

A different batch of code 125 rail, head 1.69mm foot 1.6mm

Will be good to have the updated file for the B7 and James said he would print me some chairs

COT track in 7mm scale in my opinion is a real winner

 

[Martin Wynne]

I seem to have missed out on the cheapest deals for the Neptune 4 printer,

@Hayfield

Hi John,

???

It is still showing in stock at £166 here:

https://www.123-3d.co.uk/Elegoo-Neptune-4-3D-printer-50-201-012-300-i9978-t115575.html

That is less than a Kingroon.

Don't fret about the track gauge. In plug track/cot track, you adjust the track gauge by changing the FDM shrinkage settings. Everyone has to do that when building 3D track because all printers vary slightly:

At this stage it doesn't matter what the track gauge is coming out at, because we are still only conducting an experiment, not yet building a railway.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

???

It is still showing in stock at £166 here:

https://www.123-3d.co.uk/Elegoo-Neptune-4-3D-printer-50-201-012-300-i9978-t115575.html

That is less than a Kingroon.

Don't fret about the track gauge. In plug track/cot track, you adjust the track gauge by changing the FDM shrinkage settings. Everyone has to do that when building 3D track because all printers vary slightly:


View attachment 10871

At this stage it doesn't matter what the track gauge is coming out at, because we are still only conducting an experiment, not yet building a railway.

cheers,

Martin.

Firstly My bad memory on prices, thanks for the added info. Sorry for being so slow at what I know about both the printers and the programs. I have a few jobs at home today but I will try a third file for brick 1 later

 

[Steve_Cornford]

ALso note that Elegoo have now opened a uk online store:-
https://uk.elegoo.com/

Will there be a Black Friday Sale?

Steve

 

[Hayfield]

Brick 1 is now printing, thanks for the help

@Hayfield

Hi John,

???

It is still showing in stock at £166 here:

https://www.123-3d.co.uk/Elegoo-Neptune-4-3D-printer-50-201-012-300-i9978-t115575.html

That is less than a Kingroon.

Don't fret about the track gauge. In plug track/cot track, you adjust the track gauge by changing the FDM shrinkage settings. Everyone has to do that when building 3D track because all printers vary slightly:


View attachment 10871

At this stage it doesn't matter what the track gauge is coming out at, because we are still only conducting an experiment, not yet building a railway.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

I would like to change the settings, the sleepers are 59mm where they should be 60mm. when I use the change button loads of various boxes open up, is it the first X Y two settings I change, or is it too complicated and over my head, I was just thinking of printing 3 sleepers, as this may also affect the rail gap in the chairs if I increase the size by 1.7%

 

[Martin Wynne]

the sleepers are 59mm where they should be 60mm

@Hayfield @James Walters

Hi John,

If this is a UK bullhead turnout in 0 gauge (7mm/ft) the sleeper length should be:

For 8ft-6in sleepers: 8.5 x 7 = 59.5mm

For 9ft sleepers (pre-group): 9 x 7 = 63mm

If the sleepers are coming out at 59mm, the increase needed to 59.5mm is:

100 x 59.5 / 59 = 100.8% , -100% = an increase needed of 0.8 %.

If you are printing square-on timbers as in your photo, this increase is needed on the Y direction.

For the X direction you need to measure the timber spacings over the length of the print and do a similar calculation. However errors there are not so critical and don't affect the track gauge. For now you could try changing just the Y. It probably looks like this:

Increasing the existing 0.2% by 0.8% means 0.2 + 0.8 = 1.0

So change it to:

and then do a test print to check the results. Note that for 0-MF the track gauge should be 31.5mm.

You can save this change in a custom settings file, or make the change each time you start Templot.

You can ignore the settings for cold-bed printing which comes up next.

When this experiment is concluded, all this stuff will be in the Plug Track User Manual. But it's just too soon to write it yet, and there isn't enough hours in the day to do it all.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

Will there be a Black Friday Sale?

How black is it today?

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield @James Walters

Hi John,

If this is a UK bullhead turnout in 0 gauge (7mm/ft) the sleeper length should be:

For 8ft-6in sleepers: 8.5 x 7 = 59.5mm

For 9ft sleepers (pre-group): 9 x 7 = 63mm

If the sleepers are coming out at 59mm, the increase needed to 59.5mm is:

100 x 59.5 / 59 = 100.8% , -100% = an increase needed of 0.8 %.

If you are printing square-on timbers as in your photo, this increase is needed on the Y direction.

For the X direction you need to measure the timber spacings over the length of the print and do a similar calculation. However errors there are not so critical and don't affect the track gauge. For now you could try changing just the Y. It probably looks like this:


View attachment 10876


Increasing the existing 0.2% by 0.8% means 0.2 + 0.8 = 1.0

So change it to:


View attachment 10875

and then do a test print to check the results. Note that for 0-MF the track gauge should be 31.5mm.

You can save this change in a custom settings file, or make the change each time you start Templot.

You can ignore the settings for cold-bed printing which comes up next.

When this experiment is concluded, all this stuff will be in the Plug Track User Manual. But it's just too soon to write it yet, and there isn't enough hours in the day to do it all.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

Thank you, I just thought it was worth a punt

The first brick printed fine, stringing not too bad but only 2 chairs per timber, some of the slide chair tops might have deformed slightly

I have started printing 3 sleepers with revised settings to allow for shrinkage, only 5p worth of filament so worth the effort to see the affects the change has

Look what cane back from the allotment, the two red ones weigh in at about 500g they are called buffalo steak, the yellow weighs over 700g and called something like Lemonita a F1 tomato. A cherry and a med size tomato to give a size comparison

 

[Steve_Cornford]

Hi John,

Have you ever been here in the Loire valley?

https://www.labourdaisiere.com/en/the-national-tomato-conservatory/

Steve

 

[Hayfield]

Hi John,

Have you ever been here in the Loire valley?

https://www.labourdaisiere.com/en/the-national-tomato-conservatory/

Steve

Steve

Unfortunately no it looks to be quite interesting, I have been through Marmande which has a verity named after it plus it has a tomato festival

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield @James Walters

Hi John,

If this is a UK bullhead turnout in 0 gauge (7mm/ft) the sleeper length should be:

For 8ft-6in sleepers: 8.5 x 7 = 59.5mm

For 9ft sleepers (pre-group): 9 x 7 = 63mm

If the sleepers are coming out at 59mm, the increase needed to 59.5mm is:

100 x 59.5 / 59 = 100.8% , -100% = an increase needed of 0.8 %.

If you are printing square-on timbers as in your photo, this increase is needed on the Y direction.

For the X direction you need to measure the timber spacings over the length of the print and do a similar calculation. However errors there are not so critical and don't affect the track gauge. For now you could try changing just the Y. It probably looks like this:


View attachment 10876


Increasing the existing 0.2% by 0.8% means 0.2 + 0.8 = 1.0

So change it to:


View attachment 10875

and then do a test print to check the results. Note that for 0-MF the track gauge should be 31.5mm.

You can save this change in a custom settings file, or make the change each time you start Templot.

You can ignore the settings for cold-bed printing which comes up next.

When this experiment is concluded, all this stuff will be in the Plug Track User Manual. But it's just too soon to write it yet, and there isn't enough hours in the day to do it all.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

I am using GOA fine so added 0.8 to the preset number 0.37 so the setting was 1.17 The timbers are now 59.8mm
I have just tried both code 131 and 125, still a bit stiff, but I am thinking it may be down to the stringing/printing of the Kingroon ?

Very pleased with both the chairs and their strength, as tests go it must be one of the better ones, as you say the Kingroon is not quite up to the job, but its having quite a good try

Again its the product of the Kingroon printing process plus very much oversized photo, but the edges of the slide chair plates may have been affected by the stringing. Saying this the special slide chairs (PL1-4) are stunning.

I now can rest at least until Templot 5 and or if/when I get a Neptune 4

Black Friday is Nov 24th, a long way away

John

 

[Phil O]

How black is it today?

Martin.

It's been a very nice light blue, here to day, but has gone black, since the Cornish nicked the sun around 8.20 this evening.

PS. The emojis have greyed out.

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

I have added another setting to the FDM shrinkage settings:

This causes Templot to treat the selected rail section as chunkier in the head and foot than the measured dimensions. This allows for the extrusion effects of FDM printing. It doesn't affect the track gauge. This setting is ignored when resin printing.

I have found that 10% works well with the C&L code 125 rail.

Also with C&L code 125 rail, I have made this setting at 35%:

Note that this does also apply to resin printing, so it would be necessary to reset this when swapping to resin printing. I will look at adding separate settings for FDM and resin.

With the above settings I now have your C&L code 125 rail fitting nicely in the COT track chairs.

It's a good idea to "condition" the chairs by first pushing through them with a length of rail which has been filed to a sharp point. This breaks through any wispy remains or rough edges in the chair. This can then be removed and the intended rail will slide in easily.

Now I really must leave this distraction for a few days and get back to Templot5. When we have got that released we can relax and get back to the plug track/cot track developments.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

I have added another setting to the FDM shrinkage settings:


View attachment 10893


This causes Templot to treat the selected rail section as chunkier in the head and foot than the measured dimensions. This allows for the extrusion effects of FDM printing. It doesn't affect the track gauge. This setting is ignored when resin printing.

I have found that 10% works well with the C&L code 125 rail.

Also with C&L code 125 rail, I have made this setting at 35%:


View attachment 10892


Note that this does also apply to resin printing, so it would be necessary to reset this when swapping to resin printing. I will look at adding separate settings for FDM and resin.

With the above settings I now have your C&L code 125 rail fitting nicely in the COT track chairs.

It's a good idea to "condition" the chairs by first pushing through them with a length of rail which has been filed to a sharp point. This breaks through any wispy remains or rough edges in the chair. This can then be removed and the intended rail will slide in easily.

Now I really must leave this distraction for a few days and get back to Templot5. When we have got that released we can relax and get back to the plug track/cot track developments.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

Perfect and there is nothing to do with COT track untill Templot 5 is in production, any chance of a copy or two of the test print for Scaleforum please

 

[Martin Wynne]

any chance of a copy or two of the test print for Scaleforum please

@Hayfield @Andrew Duncan

Hi John,

I'm going to do that now after some breakfast.

That means I won't have a chance today to look at Andrew's Yeovil problem, sorry.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Phil O]

Martin,

Hopefully I can sort Andrew's problem, leaving you to get on with the important stuff.

I have asked Andrew a few questions, so that I can make progress.

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Hayfield @James Walters

Hi John,

I can hardly believe this.

For 0 gauge.

This is straight off the Neptune 4, still warm. No cleaning up done. There just isn't anything to clean up, there's no stringing at all:


View attachment 10860


I improved the quality a little by reducing the layers from 0.12mm to 0.10mm. Also switched on ironing for the timber tops.

The chairs are for code 125, but still a fraction tight and need some tweaking.

The chairs are not far behind resin for quality, and at least as good as injection-moulded.

I don't really know where to go next with this distraction. I must get on with Templot5 with Scaleforum nearing.

p.s. for the above print, I switched off the spacer blocks, which need some thought as to how to include them. Possibly on their own bit of timber flange, so that they can be threaded at the same time (but with the support visible).


View attachment 10890

cheers,

Martin.

I have been taken to task on RMweb for suggesting that these results require a Klipper-based FDM printer. There are other FDM printers available which can deliver similar results or better, but don't use Klipper firmware. They are however very much more expensive than an Elegoo Neptune 4. I haven't tried using one, so I can't say what might be possible with them.

But I can say for certain that the above results came from an Elegoo Neptune 4, which is Klipper-based. I can also say that I have never managed to achieve similar results from any of my other FDM printers, which are all slower Marlin-based printers.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

Martin

I would not take too much notice about what was said and in one breath he said you were right. You/Templot club are not a commercial software company, so therefore there is no need to support every bit of hardware or infact encourage others to adapt their machines

On the other hand there is nothing wrong with you both commenting on which machines are working for you and sharing your settings. This is actually a life line mine for users like me allowing us a way to enjoy 3D printing which without your help would not be available.

The fact is his knowledge is lacking in the comment that Neptune 4 printers are a very expensive option against the Kingroon, this morning there was about £13 difference, given the quality of printing, speed and larger build plate that probably will be the best £13 you will ever spend

This morning is the first time I have ever agreed with Tony Blair, he told Starmer not to read social media, I second that. I have two friends that get very worked up by comments on one site about the L&B, very few people read this site and the best option is to ignore them as they do go away

You are right to keep to what you are doing, which simply sharing with us with your findings and sharing your settings. I value your advice and its clear as day that to get better results I need to upgrade my hardware, if anything its made me realize how valuable your advice is

 

[Martin Wynne]

Can I ask for a post on a topic I started to be removed. In hindsight it adds nothing to the topic

@Hayfield

Hi John,

Are you asking me to delete one of your posts? Here or on RMweb?

I have very limited moderator permissions on just one small section of RMweb. I can probably delete a post if you tell me exactly which one and it is in that section.

p.s. many thanks for your kind words.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

Are you asking me to delete one of your posts? Here or on RMweb?

I have very limited moderator permissions on just one small section of RMweb. I can probably delete a post if you tell me exactly which one and it is in that section.

p.s. many thanks for your kind words.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

As it happens it has more than confirmed for me an upgrade is desirable, will improve quality and save time, plus the larger build plate could be useful

Again thanks for your support and innovation, I am looking forward to Templot 5 and building a Turnout in COT track (A British Finescale style kit on steroids)

 

[Martin Wynne]

Martin

Its a post on a thread I started on RMweb by someone else, in fact 2 posts, simply because they add nothing to the thread and the person has no experience of the machines he talks about, I would have been happy had the person had owned or more importantly used the machines.

@Hayfield

Hi John,

I wouldn't be happy deleting a post on RMweb without a request from the author, even assuming I am able to do it. Your best bet is to click the Report link at the bottom of those posts. You will then be able to send a message to the RMweb moderators asking for the posts to be removed from your topic.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

As it happens it has more than confirmed for me an upgrade is desirable, will improve quality and save time, plus the larger build plate could be useful

@Hayfield

Hi John,

Don't underestimate the Kingroons. They produce excellent results for the plug track sockets. They also take up a lot less bench space and run a lot quieter.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

Martin

The Kingroom is staying up and will be used, as you say its super for many jobs. I am on the 0 gauge kick at the moment and the COT track for me would save a lot of time over plug track when using with RTR flexitrack

Some time ago I joined the Scale 7 group (for access to Exactoscale products) Next spring it would be nice to share COT track with a local group meet,

 

[Martin Wynne]

.
Testing the COT track in 0 gauge I have found the brick connector clips are coming out a fraction looser than I would like. I don't want to change the default settings because they are working well in 4mm/ft scale.

If you find the clips are a bit too loose, they can be tightened by reducing the clearance settings here:

If you save your custom 3D settings, in Templot5 these settings are included. Thanks to Steve.

Martin.

 

[Martin Wynne]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

In the latest program update now available (245b / 555a) you can now make all the settings for COT track with one button:

(Note that this doesn't change the rail section, you need to set that separately.)

Thanks again for the code 125 rail which means that option is now available.

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Hayfield]

@Hayfield

Hi John,

In the latest program update now available (245b / 555a) you can now make all the settings for COT track with one button:

(Note that this doesn't change the rail section, you need to set that separately.)


View attachment 11125


Thanks again for the code 125 rail which means that option is now available.

cheers,

Martin.

Martin

Now returned from my journeys in Penbrookshire, I was just about to ask if I used Templot 5 would I get the updates for the COT Track, I will get on the laptop and try and print out a common crossing with code 125 rail

Thanks

 

[Hayfield]

Templot 5 opened up and installed quickly

COT track seemed much easier to work on, but using track builder seems to take so much longer, or have I too many things going on ?

As you can see printer up and running and in 5 hours time I will inform you of the results

I was of a mind to order a Neptune 4 printer once I got back, but one or more comments over the past week seemed to put a damper on buying one

I am quite happy in investing in one as its seems able to produce better quality prints and its faster

John

 

[Martin Wynne]

View attachment 11127

Templot 5 opened up and installed quickly

COT track seemed much easier to work on, but using track builder seems to take so much longer, or have I too many things going on ?

As you can see printer up and running and in 5 hours time I will inform you of the results

I was of a mind to order a Neptune 4 printer once I got back, but one or more comments over the past week seemed to put a damper on buying one

I am quite happy in investing in one as its seems able to produce better quality prints and its faster

John

@Hayfield

Yes, 3D Builder takes quite a while with a lot of chairs to do.

What was said against the Neptune 4 ? Since I've been using the glue-stick with it, I've had no problems at all. Here is the profile I've been using for 0 gauge COT track on the Neptune 4 - EN4 with version Elegoo Cura 5.6

(Not suitable for the Kingroon -- too fast.)

cheers,

Martin.

 

[Steve_Cornford]

Hi John,

Templot 5 opened up and installed quickly

Just to be clear, did you mean that you upgraded Templot2 to version 245b, then used the BIG Templot5 BUTTON to switch to Templot5?

Templot5
Have you noticed for example starting with a control template with experimental chairing switched on:-

when you click on the [3D] button, you get:-

notice the chair labels, and the [ ] show chair labels tickbox.
Also when you perform real > shove timbers, then select a timber/sleeper, and you hover over a chair label, it turns yellow:-

and then if you click the chair label, the heave chair screen appears:-

with the selected chair heaving box outlined in yellow.

Of course chair labels are of more use on a turnout template:-

Steve