German turnout

Gregor

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Hello,

Do I have a possibility to define turnouts with German sleeper position as standard?
In the picture shown, I have adjusted all the sleepers individually. They are not all correctly placed yet, but I think you can see where the journey is going.

Thank you
Gregor



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Hi Gregor,

Welcome to Templot Club. :)

I'm not clear what you mean by "define as standard"?

The default settings in Templot are for UK REA bullhead turnouts. There isn't any option to change that.

What you can do is:

1. create your required custom turnout, as you have done.

2. store it as a library template (program > store as library template menu item).

3. repeat for any other required turnouts.

4. save a file with the name: start.box

It will be loaded automatically every time Templot starts up. You can then copy any required templates from the storage box to the control template.

p.s. your turnout has the nose of the V-crossing unsupported on a timber. Is that correct for your prototype? Also you have machined flares on the wing rails mixed with bent flares on the check rails -- which looks odd to UK eyes.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Gregor

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Hello Martin,

Thank you for your kind welcome.

One thing first: I must apologise for the fact that I have unfortunately not learned any English and I am using a translation programme to help me! I hope that everything is well understood!

I came across your really great programme by chance. It's amazing what you have developed!

My idea was to create a turnout in the original, according to German dimensions. For example, an EW190 1:9 standard turnout. If I then want to represent this as a shortened one in 1:6, the sleepers are taken over and I don't have to adapt them again.

The illustrated turnout was my first attempt to see if it is possible to represent turnouts according to German form.

I also find it great that the function for the representation of the rail foot is implemented. The output as a DXF file leaves nothing to be desired....

Cheers

Gregor
 
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Gregor

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Hello Martin,

I find myself getting better and better at your programme! I was able to set the length and width of the timbers permanently. I still don't have a solution for the sleeper spacing for the straight track and at the beginning and end of the turnout. Can I set that too?

Greetings
Gregor
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I find myself getting better and better at your programme! I was able to set the length and width of the timbers permanently. I still don't have a solution for the sleeper spacing for the straight track and at the beginning and end of the turnout. Can I set that too?

Hi Gregor,

Yes, you can set that. There is not much which can't be set, but it's not always obvious or quick for non-UK prototypes.

But first, there is no need to convert your metric data to inches, Templot will do that for you. :)

If you prefix your data with a letter m, you can enter mm dimensions when asked for inches:

( m="metric" not "metres" )

input_conversion_letters.png


For more information, click the ? help button, scroll to the bottom of the notes, and click about conversion factors.

I will write again about your other questions, but see this page:

https://85a.uk/templot/companion/timber_spacings_overview.php

timber_spacings_899x436.png


cheers,

Martin.
 
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Gregor

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Hello Martin,

thanks for the link.

I have fought my way through it. Slowly I'm getting the hang of it. Meanwhile I have a second monitor on my desk to read through the descriptions.
Even my wife is enthusiastic about your programme! She does a lot with AuoCad. It's all a lot of work, but what comes out of it...

An EW190 on 1:6
The check rails could be shortened a bit

Regards
Gregor
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BerlinChris

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Chris Unwin
Hello Martin,

thanks for the link.

I have fought my way through it. Slowly I'm getting the hang of it. Meanwhile I have a second monitor on my desk to read through the descriptions.
Even my wife is enthusiastic about your programme! She does a lot with AuoCad. It's all a lot of work, but what comes out of it...

An EW190 on 1:6
The check rails could be shortened a bit

Regards
Gregor
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BerlinChris

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Hallo Gregor

I am a Brit, now living in Berlin. I am learning Templot, slowly, but making good progress. I would like to get to know other Templot users based in Germany. I am interested in the geometry of German track and how it differs from the UK. I speak quite good German too!

My planned project is to build in 0 Gauge a layout based on UK British Railways Southern Region, Southern Electric, as it was in the 1960s.

I could give you my Email address here - would that be permitted?

Best Wishes!
 
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Gregor

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Hello Chris,

We can exchange ideas via e-mail. I don't know anyone in Germany who uses Templot or even knows it. I think many people find it difficult to build their own and use the standard material.
I try a lot and help myself with Deepl to translate all the help texts. Now I'm going to create all the switches and sleepers and then I'll start with the layout.

Greetings
Gregor
 
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Gregor

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Hello Martin,

I have another question about the programme. Is it possible to construct a 3-rail track and possibly also turnouts?

Greetings
Gregor
 
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I have another question about the programme. Is it possible to construct a 3-rail track and possibly also turnouts?
@Gregor

Hi Gregor,

Do you mean 3rd or 4th rail electrification? See Russ Elliott's web site:

http://www.clag.org.uk/3rd-4th.html

All things are possible in Templot if you use an assembly of partial templates. There is no built-in support for electrified track.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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No, I meant standard gauge with integrated narrow gauge.
@Gregor

Hi Gregor,

That's called mixed-gauge track in the UK. :)

Again, it can be done using an assembly of partial templates. There is no built-in support for mixed-gauge track.

Here is a mixed-gauge crossover (without-side-swap) built up from partial templates:

gwr_mixed_night.png


You can download the Templot file for the above from:

https://85a.uk/templot/archive/topics/topic_289.php

and then pull it apart to see each partial template. :)

There is also a scruffy bit of video showing mixed-gauge templates being aligned, at:

https://flashbackconnect.com/Movie.aspx?id=EM_ENROSktwyUpc20zLIwQ2

cheers,

Martin.
 
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BerlinChris

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Hi Gregor - and Martin

Thanks for your replies and my apologies for the delayed response.

I guess it's pretty unlikely to find a crowd of Templotters in Germany, let alone in Berlin. But it was worth asking!

I'll post further in the 'About' section,as you (Martin) suggested.
 
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roythebus

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Kent
I have a friend in Sweden who uses Templot; I'm not sure if he uses it for his American trains or European trains! He is multi-lingual.

Regarding German check rails, they are not usually built from rail as per the UK, but sometimes an angle iron shape or square section.

I wonder if Gregor realises he can change the rail profile from bullhead to flat bottom?

There's been some useful track articles in Modelbahn Eisenbahn magazine over the years including historic templates for pointwork.
 
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Gregor

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Germany
Hello Martin,

I need your help. Where or how can I create individual templates or divide them so that the rails do not overlap?
Similar to the mixed gauge you showed.
I hope you can see what I mean?

@roythebus I have changed that immediately. Thank you.

Greetings Gregor
 

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@Gregor

Hi Gregor,

That looks good. :)

Your extended wing rails are not quite long enough to properly check the V-crossings. The wheels need to be past the flare angle and fully under the control of the check rail before they reach the the opposite knuckle gap.

I suggest extending all these by one extra timber space:

gregor_check_flares.png


Also it seems a bit strange for them to have machined flares if the plain check rails have bent flares?

cheers,

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