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I cannot seem to download a map

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Hayfield

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I have been asked by a RMweb member if I could download a map of Leith Citadel, for probably a very good reason unknown to me I cannot down load it into Templot, any Ideas please
 
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I cannot down load it into Templot
@Hayfield

Hi John,

Can you clarify whether you mean that you don't know how to import the map into Templot, or you do know but it's not working? Can you post the map URL (link)?

Do you mean the station formerly known as North Leith?

https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=19&lat=55.97705&lon=-3.17656&layers=170&b=1

Fortunately it's available as a 50" map from 1946, so should be good to work over in Templot:

leith_nls_50in.png


cheers,

Martin.
 
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Martin

Yes this is the one on Google its referred to as Leith Citadel, The chap wants to use the idea in an old Railway Modeller of modelling the passenger station part rather than the whole station

What am I doing wrong, I can access the map via shapes, but in the past when I exited the page it populated Templot. I am obviously not doing something

Secondly being a North British Line I guess originally it would be 4 bolt chairs and interlaced turnouts, when would it have changed to the usual turnout timbering style and 3 bolt chairs
 
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@Hayfield

Hi John,

I don't know what you did or didn't do, the sequence for getting a tiled map is at:

https://85a.uk/templot/club/index.php?threads/changes-in-templot-version-227.180/post-1548

You didn't mention your model scale (no-one ever does :( ), so I assumed 4mm/ft.

I loaded some tiles, and then used the crop/combine function to create a single picture shape. Two shapes files attached, the original as imported, and reduced to low-contrast light grey for easier working over:

leith_nls_50in_em_1.png


leith_nls_50in_em.png


That's EM gauge, and if the map is to believed that's a tight 1:5 crossover (9ft switch).

It was an impressive station frontage (Google):

google_leith_citadel.jpg


cheers,

Martin.
 

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Martin

Thanks for such a quick reply and the downloads,

I happened to load your earlier map/photo and by using the ruler in the OS map and in Templot on the station building, I got it to much the same as yours, but both mine and yours look a bit odd. The head shunt to the station crossover you mention is only about 6.5" long ? They seem under size

The rail lines on the OS map are they actual rails or sleeper/timber widths ? If the latter they will increase the size of the map. Still the crossover can be moved. If the map is undersized then the turnout sizes will increase. Still in the model A5's will be fine and the chap is modelling in EM gauge. I emailed the map to him and he's well pleased as it can be used to plan the baseboards

As it is this station is very small and may have to be compressed slightly, but that's in the future. Also its not going to include the goods yard (layout will be viewed from the goods yard) unless he decides to model the station more fully. Small tank locos and the odd small 4-4-0 tender loco (I guess never ran around )

Thanks again allows me to design a rough

Out of interest is there any way of printing both the background map and track together please

John
 
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The head shunt to the station crossover you mention is only about 6.5" long ? They seem under size

The rail lines on the OS map are they actual rails or sleeper/timber widths ?
@Hayfield

Hi John,

The head-shunt continues under the station roof. OS maps show only what can be seen from above.

The lines on the map show the rails. I don't know whether the OS draw them to the rail centre-line or the gauge-face, but at this scale it hardly makes much difference.

The one detail which can normally be relied on is the position of the switch toe, marked across between the rails. This is the switch blade TIPS position (marked on the templates), not the stretcher bar. The shown position of the vee is less reliable, but for a crossover you have both switch toes so can work inwards from there.

p.s. don't use A-5s, I very much doubt the original used A switches -- use 9ft straight switches instead.

Out of interest is there any way of printing both the background map and track together please

Sure, click this option:

print_picture_shapes_227.png


But bear in mind that it needs a well-specified system -- it may be very slow and it may appear to have stopped responding, just wait for it to print.

That's because of the extreme magnification needed, and is the reason it is switched off by default. It will also use a lot of ink.

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Martin

Thanks for the advice, I just cannon believe all this fitted into such a small place. perhaps this is the charm of the place
 
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Secondly being a North British Line I guess originally it would be 4 bolt chairs and interlaced turnouts, when would it have changed to the usual turnout timbering style and 3 bolt chairs

The North British interlaced turnouts could have lasted well into the Grouping and BR days. Apparently there was a habit of continuing on old practices after the Grouping, certainly in the Caledonian and probably the North British as well. I have a photograph of an interlaced tandem on the Stobcross - Maryhill line in Glasgow dated 1955 still with Caledonian chairs. I also have a picture (somewhere!!!) of an interlaced turnout on a loop on the Perth - Aberdeen line taken in the 1970s where the chairs are either LMS or BR and the timbering looks much younger than fifty years old.

Jim.
 
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The North British interlaced turnouts could have lasted well into the Grouping and BR days. Apparently there was a habit of continuing on old practices after the Grouping, certainly in the Caledonian and probably the North British as well. I have a photograph of an interlaced tandem on the Stobcross - Maryhill line in Glasgow dated 1955 still with Caledonian chairs. I also have a picture (somewhere!!!) of an interlaced turnout on a loop on the Perth - Aberdeen line taken in the 1970s where the chairs are either LMS or BR and the timbering looks much younger than fifty years old.

Jim.

Jim

Thanks
 
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The North British interlaced turnouts could have lasted well into the Grouping and BR days. Apparently there was a habit of continuing on old practices after the Grouping, certainly in the Caledonian and probably the North British as well. I have a photograph of an interlaced tandem on the Stobcross - Maryhill line in Glasgow dated 1955 still with Caledonian chairs. I also have a picture (somewhere!!!) of an interlaced turnout on a loop on the Perth - Aberdeen line taken in the 1970s where the chairs are either LMS or BR and the timbering looks much younger than fifty years old.

Jim.

As a lad I spent many happy hours watching shunting operations at a former G&SWR goods yard. I'm pretty sure the turnouts from the main line were fairly modern and not interlaced but I haven't a clue whether those in the sidings were interlaced or not. They probably were but all I can remember is they didn't look anything like my Tri-ang Series-3 and Standard Track turnouts :)
 
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I have had a chat with Simon, he is modelling the BR period so its standard turnouts and S1 chairs (thank you for the reference

The layout that has given the inspiration was in the late 70's in the Railway modeller, and the plan will be much simplified concentrating on the passenger side of the station, perhaps with a little compression. Tomorrows job
 
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