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Rolling rails problem

Paul Boyd

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Loughborough, UK
Hi Martin,

I think I'm going around the bend! One of the simplest "track plans" ever - a lump of straight track (so no bends to go around!!). On the sleepered bit of track, I want to roll the rails. The problem is that no new sleepers are rolling in at the end! I know this works because I've done it thousands of times, and just checked it on other files to make sure I'm not going mad!

What's going wrong?

Cheers,
Paul

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Martin Wynne

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@Paul Boyd

Hi Paul,

Change this option to sleepered :)

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It is also in the real > timbering > menu.

I changed the default in a recent update because the most frequent use of rolling rails is with a shortened V-crossing exit, where the rolled-in length is over existing timbers.

edit: see 3. at: https://85a.uk/templot/archive/topics/topic_3489.php

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Paul Boyd

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Hi Paul,

Change this option to sleepered :)
Well, I've never come across that before! Possibly because anything I've done recently has been developments of stuff before that change was made, so I guess the setting to roll in sleepers carried over from old box files. Thanks for pointing that out!

By "recently", that could be any time between last week and three years ago :ROFLMAO:
 
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@Paul Boyd

Hi Paul,

Sorry if it caught you out.

A frequent puzzle where there is an option setting, is which of the options should be the switch-on default? The one I would mostly use myself (or is the most prototypical), is not always the one beginners might be expecting.

An example is the timbering style. In the early days the default was equalized-incremental, and I still would prefer that as a starting point. It's more prototypical for a typical branch-line model and makes the timber-shoving and check rail positioning a lot easier. But I was told so many times that it was wrong, and should always be square-on, that I changed the default just for a quiet life. One user even announced on a forum that Templot couldn't be used for proper track planning because the timbering was wrong! Now that Peco have introduced their bullhead range in 00 with equalized-incremental timbering, perhaps I could change the default back?

Another one is the fixed K-crossing timbering, where the current default is spacing as model, but I would prefer it to be the spacing as prototype option. But I should probably leave well alone. :)

cheers,

Martin.
 
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Paul Boyd

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Location
Loughborough, UK
@Paul Boyd

Hi Paul,

Sorry if it caught you out.

A frequent puzzle where there is an option setting, is which of the options should be the switch-on default? The one I would mostly use myself (or is the most prototypical), is not always the one beginners might be expecting.

An example is the timbering style. In the early days the default was equalized-incremental, and I still would prefer that as a starting point. It's more prototypical for a typical branch-line model and makes the timber-shoving and check rail positioning a lot easier. But I was told so many times that it was wrong, and should always be square-on, that I changed the default just for a quiet life. One user even announced on a forum that Templot couldn't be used for proper track planning because the timbering was wrong! Now that Peco have introduced their bullhead range in 00 with equalized-incremental timbering, perhaps I could change the default back?

Another one is the fixed K-crossing timbering, where the current default is spacing as model, but I would prefer it to be the spacing as prototype option. But I should probably leave well alone. :)

cheers,

Martin.

Hi Martin

There's always something new to learn, or remember!

Pretty much the first thing I do with turnouts is to change the timbering to equalized-incremental, but that's just down to the prototypes I model. I think it's one of those defaults where you'll always upset someone.

K-crossing timbering though - Templot is about recreating prototype P&C work so I would say spacing as prototype is the correct default. If people don't like that, then ask them why they don't want it as per the prototype!! But yes, it's probably best not to change it now - quite apart from anything else you have your work cut out with v2.27a!

Cheers,
Paul
 
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Martin Wynne

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K-crossing timbering though - Templot is about recreating prototype P&C work so I would say spacing as prototype is the correct default. If people don't like that, then ask them why they don't want it as per the prototype!!
@Paul Boyd

Hi Paul,

The reason for the option is that with overscale model flangeways, you end up with the tips of the K-crossing point rails hanging in fresh air. The as model option moves the timbers from the prototype positions to support the model rail tips. So it's a reasonable option to have available, but having it start off wrong as the default is a niggle. :)

On the other hand, if it starts off as prototype, I just know a great many users would never get round to changing it, and build K-crossings with the point tips unsupported, straight off the template.

Let sleeping dogs lie, I think. :)

cheers,

Martin.
 
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