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posted: 13 Apr 2010 05:37 from: BruceNordstrand
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I have a wee problem..... I had to redesign a section of my layout and successfully completed that and backgrounded all templates. I then printed 2 copies and went off to stick them together. While I was away, Windows crashed (surprise, surprise!) and now when I open my box file, the plan has returned to what it was BEFORE my changes. I always thought Templot "saved" everything when you backgrounded the templates? Is there any way I can get the plan back to match the printed version? I ask because I am not done printing and I feel I won't be able to exactly match what I had before  Cheers Bruce |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 07:52 from: Jim Guthrie
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Bruce, If, when you re-start Templot, you say OK to restoring the previous contents of the storage box, you get back the last state of Templot. I thought that might be the case, but I've just tried it out by modifying a known layout then switching the PC off without saving the changes. When I restarted everything and started Templot and accepted the previous storage box contents, the modified layout appeared with the changes as done. I suspect that if you don't accept the previous contents of the storage box when you start up, then you might have lost your data - although I'm sure there could be a way of hacking it - possibly by unerasing the backup file which contains the data. I don't have the time to experiment further at the moment.  I've no doubt that Martin will be along soon with full details. Jim. |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 09:13 from: BruceNordstrand
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Hi Jim I think I may have lost me changes then because of the way I actually start Templot. I go to Explorer and double click the box file to open it and 9 times out of 10 say No to reload the session, usually because I am working on 2 or 3 different layouts at a time (different levels of the same layout). I have had a quick check of the Templot dir's and don't see any hidden files (I have hidden files turned on in Explorer), so I am not too hopeful at this point. My last hope os that Martin can suggest some black magic to get me back to where I was prior to damn Windows throwing a hissy fit, I am so glad I use a Mac for day to day stuff! Cheers Bruce |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 10:34 from: Jim Guthrie
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BruceNordstrand wrote: I have had a quick check of the Templot dir's and don't see any hidden files (I have hidden files turned on in Explorer), so I am not too hopeful at this point. My last hope os that Martin can suggest some black magic to get me back to where I was prior to damn Windows throwing a hissy fit.I suspect that the backup files that Templot uses are the *.ebk files in the Templot root directory. I suspect that an EBK file is updated with every edit you do on a Templot project so that if you have to go back to the last edit, you can do it. As yet I haven't worked out how Templot names these files - I have got four in my current directory with completely different names and I can only tie them up with BOX files by comparing date and size. Jim. |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 11:25 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Bruce, Jim, 1. The current/control template is never saved or backed up. If you are walking away from your computer and leaving it running, and the control template has had a lot of work done on it, it's a good idea to store it as an unused template before leaving. 2. If your computer loses power while Templot is running, when you restart Templot next time it will automatically restore the last state of the stored templates, without asking you, and you won't see the option to restore the previous session. If you then try to reload any other file it will ask you if you want to save the existing templates first. If you ask to restore the "previous" session, it will be the session before last, not the crashed session. You can undo any reload and restore the previous state by clicking the main > undo clear/reload menu item. 3. If Windows crashes the situation is less clear, because Windows may terminate Templot normally during whatever crash recovery routines it attempts to run. In that case, when Templot restarts you will see the option to restore the previous session, and it should contain the last state of Templot. 4. If you start Templot by double-clicking an existing .box file (a crazy way to launch any program in my view, but there we are, Windows is Windows ), the above sequence should be exactly the same and you should see the automatically-restored templates before you are asked if you want to reload the file which you clicked on. If you click "yes" without thinking, click the main > undo clear/reload menu item to get back to the restored templates. 5. If none of the above gets you your missing templates, without quitting Templot, in "My Computer" go to your C:\TEMPLOT\ folder, or wherever you installed Templot, and look for any of these files if they exist: ebk1.ebk ebk2.ebk pb.ebk pbo.ebk sfu.ebk sfz.ebk and any other .ebk files. Rename them all with the .box extension, i.e. so that they become ebk1.box ebk2.box pb.box pbo.box sfu.box sfz.box Then go back to Templot and try reloading each of them as .box files in the usual way. If none of them contain your missing templates, I fear that they are lost. When you quit Templot normally, some of the above files are deleted or replaced -- so don't quit a running session until you have done all the above to try and find your missing templates. Templot will recreate any renamed ebk files next time -- you don't have to change them back. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 14:27 from: BruceNordstrand
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Thanks everyone for their help but it is a lost cause. I checked all the ebk files and 2 were of my layout but both were the corrupt versions. I'll figure out some way to create a background image from my printed version for the section that is lost and try it that way. I know now why I switched camps and remember bitterly Windows shortcomings. I'll make sure that if I leave the PC for any length of time (more than pouring another cuppa) I'll close Templot so I control what gets put where. Cheers Bruce |
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posted: 13 Apr 2010 15:10 from: Martin Wynne
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BruceNordstrand wrote: Thanks everyone for their help but it is a lost cause.Hi Bruce, I'm very sorry to hear that as I tried very hard to make Templot crash proof. I feel sure that if you had launched Templot in the normal way from a shortcut, instead of double-clicking to reload an existing file, you would have found your missing templates straight away. I will look again at how that option is coded and maybe add yet more nag messages. It's important to realise that Templot's backups are entirely independent of your own saved files. You won't find anything in those other than what you specifically saved to them. regards, Martin. |
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