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posted: 15 Jun 2010 12:59 from: Martin Wynne
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Since the beginning Templot has included a "low-memory" mode, but I would be interested to know how many of you have ever made use of it, or ever seen this message on startup: not enough free memory: Your system does not have sufficient free memory for Templot's normal screen refresh modes. The special LOW-MEMORY mode will be used instead. (Or try restarting Templot with no other applications running.) I'm removing some of the legacy features which are now out-of-date on modern computers, and wondering if this is one of them. But I don't want to remove stuff which anyone is still using. Likewise I would be interested to know how many are still using 256-colour (8-bit palette) screens? Or 640 x 480 screen resolution? Templot includes a lot of code to deal with such things, and the very first release would run happily on such systems. I wouldn't want to run 091c on such a system, as it's a long while since I took such requirements into consideration in developing new features. What is the mimimum spec which it would now be reasonable to assume? I still try to make things work on 800 x 600, but even that is beginning to look old hat. The BBC website and iPlayer now require 1024 width. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 13:23 from: Dennis Mowatt
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Hi Martin, None of this affects me at all. Regards Dennis Martin Wynne wrote: Since the beginning Templot has included a "low-memory" mode, but I would be interested to know how many of you have ever made use of it, or ever seen this message on startup: |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 14:01 from: Alan McMillan
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Hi Martin I've never needed any of this stuff. I would have thought 1024 x 768 with 24 or 32 bit colour would be most people's default resolution and depth these days. I'm running at 1920 x 1200 myself. Alan McMillan |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 14:18 from: Glen Suckling
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Hi Martin, I did not know that TEMPLOT had a low memory mode - so I presume that I do not need it. FYI - My laptop has 4GB RAM and my desktop has 8GB. The resolution on my small (19") monitor is 1440 x 900, the 23" monitor is higher, the laptop is 1200 x something. Glen |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 14:32 from: Nigel Brown click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
For screens I'd have thought 1024 width would mostly be OK. Only exception I can think of is where partially-sighted people might run their screens at something lower. Are you talking about screen width or window width? Having a window somewhat narrower than the screen can be useful, Cheers Nigel |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 15:31 from: John Preston
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Hi Martin I am running a Compaq with Vista - about 2 years old with screen resolution at 1024 x 768 and 32 bit color. I have never seen the low memory popup. Would suggest dropping the 640 x 480, the 800 x 600 screen resolutions and 8 bit color, and put in somewhere what you determine the minimum system requirements are. e.g. 1024 x 768 screen resolution and 16 bit color. Just my suggestion. Regards John P |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 16:06 from: wcampbell23
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Hi Martin The only memory issue I have encountered was when attempting to use a background image whose bmp file was the order of 100MB. There seems to be a cut-off point somewhere when Templot gives a message when the image is simply too big. I have also encountered background images displaying OK but not printing but I do not know the threshold when this happens. Regards Bill Campbell |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 18:23 from: Paul Boyd
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Hi Martin. Is that message still there on start-up? I just bang Return half a dozen times to get in  As far as screen resolution goes, I can't imagine anyone using anything as low as 800x600 in everyday use, but bear in mind that you may have some visually impaired users who may want big things on the screen. I would have though 640x480 is dead and buried by now - I think my phone has higher resolution than that! |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 19:10 from: Jonathan Wells click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
I have 512Mb on my laptop and Templot runs without complaining about lack of memory. It says a lot about your programming that a powerful application like Templot can run with as little as 512Mb ( remember the days when 512Kb in a microcomputer would prompt frothing amongst teenagers?? ) | ||
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 20:15 from: John Lewis
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Hi Martin Legacy features I have never seen the "Low Memory" warning. XP Professional SP3, 1Gb RAM My desktop screen is 1024 x 768, 32 bit; my laptop (on which I have not tried Templot) yet is 1280 x 800 32 bit. John |
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posted: 15 Jun 2010 22:38 from: RJLeslie911
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Hi Martin, I have used it if I need to print off something without having to restart my computer. It works for this purpose but not for doing any design work. Now, if I get this message, I usually restart. Why does it occur? Usually my Son is or has been running too many games and I gather the memory is not being freed completely or is too fragmented. In regards to screen size - I wouldn't run it on anything less than 1024x768. Cheers Richard |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 03:56 from: kenbec
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Since the beginning Templot has included a "low-memory" mode, but I would be interested to know how many of you have ever made use of it, or ever seen this message on startup:I have seen the option, never used it. I wouldn't want to run 091c on such a system, as it's a long while since I took such requirements into consideration in developing new features.This probably answers your questions, if no one has complained. What is the mimimum spec which it would now be reasonable to assume? I still try to make things work on 800 x 600, but even that is beginning to look old hat. The BBC website and iPlayer now require 1024 width.The lowest my screen offers is 800 x 600 but I use 1920 x 1080. However the point raised about people with limited vision is valid. The only time I use the other settings is in compatibility mode for really old programs, I don't think 91c qualifies.  Regards, ken |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 11:48 from: JFS
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Paul Boyd wrote: Hi Martin. Is that message still there on start-up? I just bang Return half a dozen times to get in Hi Paul / Martin / All Just regarding visually impaired users - I would hope that everyone in that position would be aware that to increase the displayed size of print / dialogue boxes etc on a hi-res display you simply use an increased DPI setting - there is no reason to use a low resolution display to achieve this end. The DPI setting can be set directly or by selecting the "Large Fonts" display option. The only snag is that plenty of Windows applications misbehave at anything other than 96 DPI - needless to say, Templot is not one of those! Despite its many snags, one of the strengths of Windows is backwards compatibility - I still run some Windows 2 apps (and my goodness do they go fast) - but the issue then is that software has to cater for an endless variety of hardware / OS configurations. I wonder what Microsoft have to say about the hardare spec which should be catered for in NEW software releases? I bet it is no longer 640x800 which it always used to be... Personally, I feel that anything less than a 1024 horizontal resolution is just about useless these days and if users want to run Tempot for example, on a steam driven monitor then it would not be unreasonable for them to be limited to earlier releases. Best Regards, Howard. |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 16:48 from: Jim Guthrie
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JFS wrote: I agree with Howard. Jim. |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 18:18 from: Paul Boyd
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Hi Howard. Not being visually impaired, I'm not au fait with the options available. I merely offered the suggestion as something that may need to be considered! I would also suggest that 1024 should be the minimum horizontal resolution. On an unrelated subject, I was looking at monitors on ebuyer last night. Wow - they're cheap these days! There's definitely a trend for widescreen though. Not sure I like that - you need a much bigger monitor to get the same vertical height. | ||
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 18:46 from: JFS
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Hi Paul / Jim, If you use a monitor with higher than say 1400 horizontal res, it is well worth using 120 DPI - it does make things a LOT easier to read - even if your eysight is no worse than average. At that resolution, standard Windows dialogue boxes become very small (they are sized in units which are related to Font size and that is a fixed number of pixels)and although recently written programmes allow you to resize dialogue boxes, the text does not get any bigger! Give it a try [Start>Settings>control Panel>Display>Settings>Advanced>DPI Setting>Large] Best Regards, Howard |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 21:28 from: Martin Wynne
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JFS wrote: it is well worth using 120 DPI - it does make things a LOT easier to read - even if your eyesight is no worse than average.Hi Howard, I agree -- I changed to 120 dpi within 5 minutes of ever using a PC for the first time, and have never used anything else. Likewise the change to single-clicking instead of double-clicking. The standard Windows defaults have always been inexplicable to me.  At that resolution, standard Windows dialogue boxes become very small (they are sized in units which are related to Font size and that is a fixed number of pixels)and although recently written programmes allow you to resize dialogue boxes, the text does not get any bigger!That's why I provided most of the Templot dialogs with up-down re-scaling buttons (top-left), which do change the text sizes: 2_161615_270000000.png  I would have thought they would be a standard feature of any dialog box, but I've never seen them on any other software than Templot. If you have never tried them, have a go. But please don't tell me they work the wrong way round -- we have been over that many times before. The upper arrow shrinks the window up towards the top caption bar, and the lower arrow expands it downwards away from it.regards, Martin. |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 21:47 from: Paul Boyd
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Hi MartinI agree -- I changed to 120 dpi within 5 minutes of ever using a PC for the first time, and have never used anything else. Likewise the change to single-clicking instead of double-clicking. The standard Windows defaults have always been inexplicable to me.I didn't get on with the 120dpi thingy, but the single-click setting is so bleedin' obvious that I'm also amazed it isn't a default! Virtually everyone I've shown this to has changed to that setting. Windows 7 has a neat feature that helps when in single-click mode - there's an option that allows you to select multiple files by ticking a box by that file. Don't ask me now where that option is because I don't have a Win7 PC - I saw it on my mother's new laptop when I was setting it up last weekend. 110 miles to set up a laptop... Mind you, I might change my mind on 120dpi in the not too distant future - at my eye-test last month I was told I might need reading glasses soon as well as the distant glasses I wear now. Varifocals, here I come  |
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posted: 16 Jun 2010 22:04 from: JFS
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Hi Martin, I have always been more than a bit interested in your dialogue boxes - they are very "non-Windows" and are obviously not written using the standard API commands. Probably this is not the forum for the discussion but I would be quite interested to know how you resize the fonts - that is definitely not something I have seen elsewhere. Best regards, Howard |
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