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posted: 16 Jan 2011 15:56 from: Franz
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Martin; Thanks for developing a great tool. It will take me some time to learn this. I am staying with the v74 while I try to learn. I am attempting to build a layout with custom turnouts. I am developing a Pre 1900 Bavarian turnout. I am using drawings from the Laenderbahn Forum (see attached): (click the image to see the large full-size scan, or view it in the Image Gallery): 2033_161048_020000000.jpg I have had trouble determining the terminology used for turnout designs. I came upon the entry topic 1129 which is helpful. I am having trouble determining the Heel Offset from my dimensions. I am also planning to use Proto87 parts for an HO layout. I do not know if I should use the Drawing dimensions or the dimensions of the Proto87 hinges. Do you know the dimensions of Andy's hinges? Regards Paul Franz |
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posted: 16 Jan 2011 18:20 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Paul, Welcome to Templot Club. Thanks for posting your 3-throw 1:8.5 turnout drawing. The heel offset dimension isn't quoted, nor the rail width, so it is difficult to enter custom dimensions. It's probably better to work over the image for a best match. I've started doing that, and it's somewhere near a 15ft switch with some crossing entry straight: 2_161313_220000000.png Unfortunately I have no more time today, so I will post again tomorrow. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 16 Jan 2011 19:13 from: Franz
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Martin This is Schienenform I (SF I) rail design from Bavaria: The maximum rail length is 6 meters. It has taken me a bit of trial and error and I decided to upgrade to the latest TEMPLOT version in order to diagnose my errors. Most of the dimensions are written on the drawing. It was hard to find, but eventually I discovered the Heel offset is 130mm, rail to Heel is 6000mm, toe to heel is 5250. The second set of switches are shorter - something to adjust later. I am having trouble positioning the Timbers, I had desired entering the details in the Custom Timber Settings tool. I can not determine what to set the dimensions to get the timber located properly. In the end I used the Push Timber tool. Does the push timber tool alter the values in the custom Timber Settings file or are they is some adjustments file somewhere. I would like to know where to find a sketch which indicates the terms for the switch details, crossing details, timbers and sleepers used on turnouts. From the drawing and also a little digging elsewhere, here is what I have for the Switch: Dimensions for W1zu8k5_SF1 :Next step is to determine how to locate the Crossing. |
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posted: 16 Jan 2011 22:43 from: Franz
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After a little bit more digging, I found I set the following details to get the Crossing Point in an approximate location: Crossing is 1:8.5 Straight in front of FP is 28.5 This lined up most of the rail except the rail directly over the center Crossing. This could be caused by the crossing of the main design being straight, but the rail is curved. I am also not certain I scaled the drawing properly when adding it to TEMPLOT. |
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posted: 17 Jan 2011 16:54 from: Martin Wynne
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Franz wrote:It was hard to find, but eventually I discovered the Heel offset is 130mmHi Paul, Well done in spotting that -- I thought it was a smudge. Using that dimension to create a custom straight switch, it actually works out quite well. Including the radius (160.71m radius, which scales to 1847mm at 1:87) which often doesn't match on old drawings: 2_171129_510000002.png Unfortunately the drawing has distorted a little with age, so it's not possible to scale exactly all over. The 260mm-wide switch timbers appear to be spaced at 750mm centres (prefix with a letter m in Templot to enter mm dimensions directly when asked for inches): 2_171129_500000000.png And the same spacing at the V-crossing. I did a little bit of timber shoving to get the wider 350mm timbers: 2_171129_500000001.png Over to you to carry on, overlay the opposite hand, split into partial templates, create the middle V-crossing, shove all the timbers --- There is a video available for tandem turnouts which will help you get started on all that: http://www.templot.com/martweb/videos/3_way_tandem.exe (Yours is a 3-throw turnout, not a tandem.) There is also a Jing video for adjusting radius/entry straight which you may not have seen-- allow time for the video to download: .box file attached (091c), other files to follow. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 17 Jan 2011 17:06 from: Martin Wynne
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posted: 17 Jan 2011 17:14 from: Martin Wynne
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image file: I have saved this in ZIP format to reduce file size for upload. It will need to be extracted and re-saved as a BMP image again (into the SHAPE-FILES folder). |
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posted: 18 Jan 2011 03:13 from: Franz
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Martin; Thanks. I was not aware of the metric dimension entrance. That is a great function. Paul |
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posted: 23 Jan 2011 01:03 from: Franz
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Hello All; My latest indication that I know not how to use TEMPLOT: The second templete entry keeps jumping to an inverted mate of the first template. I was trying to get the other hand of the 3-way to stack on top of the first template, but it snaps to a new position. How do I turn off this automatic feature? |
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posted: 23 Jan 2011 01:46 from: BeamEnds click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi Franz, I'm not entirely sure what you mean, but I think you need to move the 'peg' onto the 'notch' before creating your second template. Cheers Richard |
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posted: 23 Jan 2011 03:20 from: Martin Wynne
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Franz wrote: My latest indication that I know not how to use TEMPLOT: The second template entry keeps jumping to an inverted mate of the first template. I was trying to get the other hand of the 3-way to stack on top of the first template, but it snaps to a new position. How do I turn off this automatic feature?Hi Paul, If templates are snapping into unwanted positions, you are probably using F7 mouse action. To prevent snapping taking place, hold down the SHIFT key* while using F7. However, for what you are trying to create, there is no reason to use F7. If the first template is a background template, click on it and select copy to the control on the pop-up menu. If the first template is only the control template, click main > store & background menu item, then press the HOME key to see it again over the new background template. Press CTRL+0 (zero) or click the peg indicator to zero. (Unless the fixing peg is already on the zero position.) Then to create a mirror image turnout, click template > swap hand menu item or press CTRL+H. Or to swap a turnout to diverging on the opposite side of the main road, click template > invert handing menu item or press CTRL+X. For a straight turnout these two functions do the same thing. For a curved turnout, they don't. To get a full understanding, try using both of these on a variety of different turnouts, and with the fixing peg in various positions on and off the main road centre-line. * or untick (deselect) the action > F7 snap options > snap on background templates menu item. regards, Martin. |
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