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posted: 20 Oct 2011 17:42 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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I have made a station loop following the instructions in Martins video . How do i insert a point into the loop as the insert button is greyed out. I am new to Templot. Any suggestions would be of great help. Kind regards Alan Gee |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 18:00 from: Tony W
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Dr G Alan Gee wrote: I have made a station loop following the instructions in Martins video . How do i insert a point into the loop as the insert button is greyed out. I am new to Templot. Any suggestions would be of great help.Hello Dr G. Although I have not watched the video in question, I suspect the reason that the insert button is greyed out is because the loop is an extension of the turnout / point. Turnouts can only be inserted into a length of plain track so you will need to make the loop track a separate piece of track first. Use the make return curve option under tools and make adjacent track turnout side at the relevent track spacing or link it onto the end of the return curve. Tony. |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 18:46 from: Martin Wynne
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Dr G Alan Gee wrote: I have made a station loop following the instructions in Martins video . How do i insert a point into the loop as the insert button is greyed out. I am new to Templot. Any suggestions would be of great help.Hi Alan, Do you mean this video: http://www.templot.com/martweb/videos/flash/starter/em_starter.html Or if some other one, can you post the link? regards, Martin. |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 19:46 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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The video is at the end of the topic on Run round loop in Templot which I found by putting run round loop into the help key. Sorry I do not know how to post the link. Alan |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 20:25 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Alan, I think you mean this one: That is a basic run-round loop created with just 2 turnout templates having parallel type V-crossings. That's a simple and quick way to create a loop, but unfortunately you can't insert turnouts in a loop created that way. To do that you need to build the loop with a few more templates. You can either shorten each of those and insert some double-track between them. The turnouts can then be inserted in the double track. Or you can build the loop entirely with separate templates, which allows you also to insert turnouts in the return curves, and/or terminate the loop with crossovers. I will post another bit of video shortly showing how. regards, Martin. |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 20:32 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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Thanks for your help Martin. I look forward to your video on how to make a station loop. Can you also put in a piece on how you make a siding off a loop please. Alan |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 20:41 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Alan, Here you go: http://www.templot.com/martweb/videos/flash/running_loop/running_loop_video.htm No I didn't do it that quick -- it's an old video.  Click the Play button bottom-left to start it. Sorry it's so scruffy and unfinished, I'm a bit too busy coding to make a tidier version (videos take hours and hours to do properly  ).I will do a bit more showing creating a siding. Martin. |
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posted: 20 Oct 2011 22:18 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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Many thanks Martin look forward to the next part about putting in a siding. Will try it myself over the weekend work tomorrow. Alan |
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posted: 21 Oct 2011 09:26 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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Tried out the video this morning works perfectly. Then tried to do it again but not using making simple crossover, just using plain track by using make return curve. When I try to expand reverse curve by F3 or F4 the track follow the tangent of the reverse curve and will not join up in a straight line. Why is this and how do I overcome it. Many thanks Alan |
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posted: 21 Oct 2011 10:10 from: Martin Wynne
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Hi Alan, The return curve template has been set to exactly the correct length, so don't extend or shorten it. Simply do main > store & background to store it as-is. Then click on the the second turnout and delete to the control. Then tools > make double-track TS. Now you can use F4 to shorten/extend the new track to fit. Put the red fixing peg at the opposite end before doing so by clicking the peg indicator (red number top left) repeatedly as required. When you have it fitting nicely between the return curves you can click template > insert turnout in plain track to start your siding. You will probably want to do template > invert handing to make the turnout face outwards, and/or template > swap facing - trailing to make it face the opposite way. Then CTRL+F9 roam mouse action again to position it. Finally tools > make branch track to create your siding. And main > store & background when you are happy with it. In a practical design, if the loop is on the inside of a gentle curve you may want to insert a transition curve between the return curve and the loop track to ease the reverse-curve effect. But that is getting a bit beyond the basics. There is a detailed tutorial on return curves (a bit dated now and in need of updating with some of the more recent functions) at: http://www.templot.com/martweb/mintut1a.htm regards, Martin. |
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posted: 21 Oct 2011 12:37 from: Tony W
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Dr G Alan Gee wrote: Tried out the video this morning works perfectly. Then tried to do it again but not using making simple crossover, just using plain track by using make return curve. When I try to expand reverse curve by F3 or F4 the track follow the tangent of the reverse curve and will not join up in a straight line. Why is this and how do I overcome it.Hi Alan. Sorry my reply yesterday was so short but I was about to go out for the evening. I think Martin has covered the subject fairly extensively. There is another way to make your return curve line up at a different track spacing. As martin states the return curve matches the divergence angle of the turnout to create parallel tracks, so if you make the turnout the control template and change the track centres for the turnout side by selecting the "Geometry > Adjacent track centres" menu and change the Turnout side spacing to your chosen value before generating the return curve you will end up with parallel tracks at the desired spacing. (It will only work on curved track it the radius of the Main Road exit track is the same as the radius of the nominally straight road through the turnout). Move the Peg to the far end Ctrl+0 (zero) and place the "Notch under peg" then Store and background. You can then follow the instuctions in Martins reply above. There is no point in me repeating them. Tony. |
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posted: 22 Oct 2011 19:38 from: Dr G Alan Gee
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Many thanks for all the help I am slowly beginning to get the picture,I have worked through Martins example and also added a few extra points and sidings for practise. Alan |
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