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topic: 1726Sketchboard
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posted: 13 Dec 2011 23:10

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PeterD
 
Waterlooville - United Kingdom

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I have noticed that sketchboard allows me to create shapes etc. but does not allow me to select them to modify them. This happens when Templot has been running for some time. I select text entry, place the cursor on the spot I wish to place it but I cannot edit the text in the 'modify' tab. It says nothing has been selected although the selection fence is surrounding the text. The same thing goes for rectangles. Clicking OK and then moving the cursor away from any object clears the selection. Click on the object and again it seems to be selected but the modify tab advises nothing is selected.

I am running Windows 7 operating system. Closing everything down and re-starting seems to be the only way to get proper operation for a while.
Last edited on 13 Dec 2011 23:12 by PeterD
posted: 14 Dec 2011 11:05

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Hi Peter,

Thanks for the report.

How many items approximately are there on the sketchboard when this starts happening?

What happens if you click the OK button and then the modify item tab again?

What happens if you modify the item a little with the mouse, for example re-size it by dragging the grab handles?

What happens if you zoom out a bit and then back in?

What happens if you hide the sketchboard control panel and then show it again?

What happens if you close the sketchboard and return to the workpad? Does Templot then work normally on there?

What happens if you then return to the sketchboard?

I'm sorry that's all questions, but I have been unable to reproduce the problem here. But Gordon reported something similar, so I would like to get to the bottom of it.

Note that to select items on the sketchboard you must click on the "ink", not the spaces between. For example clicking in the middle of a letter O won't work. This applies to all sketchboard items if they have been rotated. For example if a rectangle is set to outline only, you must click on the actual outline to select it. You will see the mouse pointer change to a grab hand when it is over something which is selectable.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 14 Dec 2011 11:20

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PeterD
 
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Martin Wynne wrote:
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the report.

How many items approximately are there on the sketchboard when this starts happening?

What happens if you click the OK button and then the modify item tab again?

What happens if you modify the item a little with the mouse, for example re-size it by dragging the grab handles?

What happens if you zoom out a bit and then back in?

What happens if you hide the sketchboard control panel and then show it again?

What happens if you close the sketchboard and return to the workpad? Does Templot then work normally on there?

What happens if you then return to the sketchboard?

I'm sorry that's all questions, but I have been unable to reproduce the problem here. But Gordon reported something similar, so I would like to get to the bottom of it.

Note that to select items on the sketchboard you must click on the "ink", not the spaces between. For example clicking in the middle of a letter O won't work. This applies to all sketchboard items if they have been rotated. For example if a rectangle is set to outline only, you must click on the actual outline to select it. You will see the mouse pointer change to a grab hand when it is over something which is selectable.

Thanks for your reply Martin. I have some of the answers but will test things out and reply fully later. I am tied up right now but will deal with this as soon as I can.

Best wishes

Peter

posted: 14 Dec 2011 18:37

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PeterD
 
Waterlooville - United Kingdom

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Martin Wynne wrote:
Hi Peter,

Thanks for the report.

How many items approximately are there on the sketchboard when this starts happening?
45
What happens if you click the OK button and then the modify item tab again?
Selection fence present but 'no items selected' in Modify tab.
What happens if you modify the item a little with the mouse, for example re-size it by dragging the grab handles?
No Change
What happens if you zoom out a bit and then back in?
No Change
What happens if you hide the sketchboard control panel and then show it again?
No Change
What happens if you close the sketchboard and return to the workpad? Does Templot then work normally on there?
Yes
What happens if you then return to the sketchboard?
No Change

The problem was first seen after editing the Sketchpad items (adding, modifying etc,) for about 40 minutes. The only way to clear the problem was to close Templot, saving the files and then re-starting and re-loading the saved files. Operation again became normal on re-start.

I hope this helps Martin.

posted: 15 Dec 2011 12:17

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Martin Wynne
 
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Hi Peter,

Many thanks for your answers.

I'm afraid I have been unable to reproduce this problem here. I have been messing about on the sketchboard for over an hour on two different computers, with more than 700 items on there, and so far it is working fine.

The next time it happens, can you save the sketchboard .sk9 file (file > save as... on the sketchboard menus) and post it here as an attachment? Thanks.

Anyone else seeing similar problems? The sketchboard is a bit of a memory hog because items are cached as bitmaps for rapid display and transparency effects. So it does need a reasonably well-specified system to operate correctly.  

A note about editing multi-line text items -- after editing the text, you must click the OK button above the little editor box. Pressing the ENTER key doesn't save the changes because it is needed to create new lines. Also, if you have increased the amount of text, to see it you must manually increase the size of the text area on the sketchboard by dragging the sizing handles. If you don't do these things it will appear that your edits are not being recognised.

regards,

Martin.

posted: 15 Dec 2011 13:09

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PeterD
 
Waterlooville - United Kingdom

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Will do Martin. I too had a long session last night and the problem did not repeat. I am using a quad processor with 8Gb of installed memory. I did not do much text editing or creation last night though only shapes. I shall try and repeat this when I get more time.

Cheers for now

Peter

posted: 17 Dec 2011 15:33

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PeterD
 
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PeterD wrote:
Will do Martin. I too had a long session last night and the problem did not repeat. I am using a quad processor with 8Gb of installed memory. I did not do much text editing or creation last night though only shapes. I shall try and repeat this when I get more time.

Cheers for now

Peter
Hi Martin, just tried to update the sketchboard file and got a repeat of the error I mentioned at the start of this. File attached as requested. Thanks Martin.


Update:

I re-loaded the file saved file and tried to work with it and the problem remains. This should give you some more clues Martin.

Best wishes

Peter
Attachment: attach_1274_1726_dale_error_j_2011_12_17_1529_06.sk9 237
Last edited on 17 Dec 2011 16:20 by PeterD


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