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posted: 28 Oct 2007 21:05

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Martin Wynne
 
West Of The Severn - United Kingdom

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Here's an interesting pic linked from RMweb (Banbury in August 1965):

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The connection into the (loco?) spur in the left foreground is an attractive formation, an offset scissors linked to a tandem turnout.

On the right the brake van is on a road which appears to be ramped up and fenced. Is this for gravity shunting of some sort?

Many thanks to Robert C on RMweb.

regards,

Martin.


posted: 30 Oct 2007 09:01

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Jamie92208
 
 

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Martin Wynne wrote:
On the right the brake van is on a road which appears to be ramped up and fenced. Is this for gravity shunting of some sort?
Hi,

The brake van spur was often ramped and I didn't know why but I have just read a book by Gerard Fiennes which explains it.

Brake vans were stored on an incline at the end of the yard so that when a train had been prepared usually with the loco at the far end the brake could then be run down by gravity under the control of the guard's handbrake and put on the back of the train. Without seeing the whole layout it appears that the double slip will give access to most of the roads in the yard.

Jamie Guest

posted: 30 Oct 2007 09:06

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Nigel Brown
 
 

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Martin Wynne wrote:
Here's an interesting pic linked from RMweb (Banbury in August 1965)
Interesting locomotive (a Grange?) on the left as well. Seems to still have a number on the buffer beam, or the remnants of one. And something indistinct but could be an offset number on the smokebox.

Nigel

posted: 3 Nov 2007 04:20

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Phil
 
 

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Hi all
First posting and all that !!

I believe that quite a few yards had a hump for shunting, even places like Stechford, between Birmingham New St and Coventry had a small hump many years ago.  From what I've seen these humps tend to be quite near to the main line too.

Just wondering whether this was such a shunting hump mebbe ?

Cheers
Phil

posted: 3 Nov 2007 13:14

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Jamie92208
 
 

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Hi Phil

Yes many yards had humps for shunting but after further looking at the photo I didn't get it quite correct in my previous reply.

The inclie shown at Banbury is definitely a brake van kip.  Trains would be prepared in the yard and then drawn out past the photographer and then the brake would run gently down onto the back of the train, be coupled up and the train set off.   This is quite different to a shunting hump over which loaded and empty wagons travelled.   The book by Gerald Fiennes I referred to referred to hitemoor Yard at march which was a large mechanised marshalling yard withich had both a hump  for shunting and a brake van kip where spare brakes vans would be put to be placed on the rear of departing trains.  

 

There were a few  yards , I know of Hunslet in Leeds, where there wasn't a hump as such but a long  inclined headshunt at one end of the yard where a shunting loco would draw a raft of wagons up the headshunt and then they would be released tu run down into the correct track by gravity.

 

 

Hope this all makes sense

Jamie

 

posted: 3 Nov 2007 14:20

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Phil
 
 

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Hi Jamie and all.

Where does the name "kip" come from  ? Guess it's regional.

We at Bescot called our brakevan sidings the "parlour"s - one for the Upside and one for the Downside. The Downside parlour was  joined up to a siding some years ago so doesn't exist in it's own right, but the Upside parlour still exists.

Cheers
Phil



posted: 3 Nov 2007 17:13

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Roger Henry
 
Brisbane - Australia

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"Having a kip". "Catching up on some Kip" etc. Used in Australia and the UK, where I have heard it used. So, I imagine, a 'brake' parked somewhere awaiting its next call for duty would also be thought of as "Having a Kip".

Roger,

Brisbane
Phil wrote:
Hi Jamie and all.

Where does the name "kip" come from  ? Guess it's regional.

We at Bescot called our brakevan sidings the "parlour"s - one for the Upside and one for the Downside. The Downside parlour was  joined up to a siding some years ago so doesn't exist in it's own right, but the Upside parlour still exists.

Cheers
Phil




posted: 3 Nov 2007 23:02

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Jamie92208
 
 

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It may stem from the way the term is used up in the North East, At the top of self acting inclines the upwards bound wagons usually go over a short hump at the top so that they can't run back down, these humps are called kipas and look somewhat similar but I would imagine that all companies had their own names, I do like the sound of parlour.

 

Jamie

posted: 11 Dec 2007 13:19

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andyjoneszz
 
Durham - United Kingdom

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Hi from a new member! :)

Here's a serious kip, on the Bowes Railway:
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© Stafford M Linsley
The rope you can see passes round a large wheel in a pit over your left shoulder, and extends downhill to a rake of fulls.  This is the greenest form of transport on the face of the planet (ironic that it should be hauling coal!) — gravity hauls the fulls down, and also (via the rope) pulls the empties up.  As Jamie said, the point of the kip is to stop the empties running back down the bank again.
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