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topic: 2378SER Trackwork ca 1880
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posted: 17 Jan 2014 16:49

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I'm putting a plan together for a friend who's interested in the SER ca 1880, a subject of which I know nothing. For the track work specs I'm guessing something like this:

    9' sleepers,
    Plain track - 12" wide sleepers at rail joints, 10" wide elsewhere
    Turnouts - 12" wide timbers
    30' rail length
    Straight-cut switches
    Turnout timbers perpendicular to axis of turnout
    BH rail

Anybody know (or care to conjecture) whether I'm close or not?

Rod

posted: 17 Jan 2014 16:54

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Jim Guthrie
 
United Kingdom

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Rod,

A possibility might be interlaced sleepers rather than timbering in the pointwork.

Jim.

posted: 17 Jan 2014 17:01

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Jim Guthrie wrote:
interlaced sleepers

Interesting Jim. Not something that I thought about. I thought that interlaced sleepers were more of a northern England/Scottish thing, but I'd be happy to be corrected. Though whether my friend who's got to build the things would I somehow doubt.

posted: 17 Jan 2014 17:51

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John Lewis
 
Croydon - United Kingdom

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Rod

If you can borrow a copy of "An nIllustrated History of Southern Wagons" Vol 3 SECR by Bixley et al, Pub OPC, Plate 18 shows Pluckley station c.1895, and I doubt if the track had really changed from the 1880s. The main features are that the sleepers were covered by the ballast, there being about 7 sleepers not covered at the toe of a turnout.

Otherwise why not ask the HMRS's SECR Steward, John Arkell. Go to: from whence you can send him an e-mail.

posted: 17 Jan 2014 17:52

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John Lewis
 
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Rod

If you can borrow a copy of "An nIllustrated History of Southern Wagons" Vol 3 SECR by Bixley et al, Pub OPC, Plate 18 shows Pluckley station c.1895, and I doubt if the track had really changed from the 1880s. The main features are that the sleepers were covered by the ballast, there being about 7 sleepers not covered at the toe of a turnout.

Otherwise why not ask the HMRS's SECR Steward, John Arkell. Go to:
Rod

If you can borrow a copy of "An nIllustrated History of Southern Wagons" Vol 3 SECR by Bixley et al, Pub OPC, Plate 18 shows Pluckley station c.1895, and I doubt if the track had really changed from the 1880s. The main features are that the sleepers were covered by the ballast, there being about 7 sleepers not covered at the toe of a turnout.

Otherwise why not ask the HMRS's SECR Steward, John Arkell. Go to: http://www.hmrs.org.uk/companystewards/stewardslist.php

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posted: 17 Jan 2014 17:58

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Thanks John
I received my HMRS Membership Card today telling me that I've been a member since 1978 yet that route didn't occur too me! I've sent the enquiry now!

posted: 17 Jan 2014 18:40

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Simon Dunkley
 
Oakham - United Kingdom

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newport_rod wrote:
Jim Guthrie wrote:
interlaced sleepers

Interesting Jim. Not something that I thought about. I thought that interlaced sleepers were more of a northern England/Scottish thing, but I'd be happy to be corrected. Though whether my friend who's got to build the things would I somehow doubt.

Hi Rod,

Interlaced sleepers were quite common. Some lines used them between the switch and the crossing, for example the GER. Many abandoned them fairly early on, but they lasted on more impecunious lines for some time longer.

Using 8'11" sleepers was cheaper than employing timbers: not just because they use less wood (including being 10" wide rather than 12" or even 14") but timber longer than 9' attracted extra import duty. In theory, it is easier to maintain top and level as well, as the two routes are independent of each other, but in practice (according to a friend who used to be a platelayer) getting to one of the sleeper ends could be quite a tussle, and actually made it harder.

As with all these things, it is best to find photographic evidence, but many lines also covered the tops of the sleepers with fine gravel during this time so it can be hard to tell!

Simon



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