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posted: 3 Jun 2014 18:20 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi - I'm not quite a beginner, but am trying my first complex track plan. It is based on Dudley, a joint LNWR/GWR station, in BR days. Most of it I think I have bodged moderately well, but I am not confident about the geometry/feasibility of the slip, outside slip and 3-way interlaced turnout in particular. I have attached the file (I hope) which is based on the BR era OS Map. The only real change (accepting that OS Maps will not be 100% reliable) is to curve the track on the approach to the tunnel (RH side of the diagram) the opposite way to how it really was. I have not bothered sorting out the timbering at this stage, as getting the rails right seems to me to be the main priority for the moment. Apart from the map, I have taken into account information from a limited number of photos found on the Web. The diorama would cover the section from the station buildings to the road bridge - around one metre overall. I decided to include some track either side of this in my track plan (a) just in case I ever decide to expand the model into a full layout and (b) track off limits influences the alignment of the track inside the diorama. My query really is if the more complex trackwork is workable or not? I am already aware that the ordinary single slip would require one of the checkrails shortening by one sleeper to clear a point blade. The 2 slips and the 3-way interlaced turnout also require detailed work to add all the check rails etc - but I prefer to try this once the basics are OK. Any advice and comment would be appreciated. Richard |
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posted: 6 Jun 2014 22:29 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Practice makes perfect - or at least a little better! Here is a mark 2 version. The slip and the outside slip are unchanged, but the tandem 3-way turnout has been altered, as has most of the RH end of the plan. By pushing a couple of turnouts further to the right, I have managed to move some of the other pointwork a lot closer to where it ought to be - having struggled immensely with the tightness of it all at my first attempt. I doubt if I can improve the positioning and alignment much more - though there is still much else to do. Everything is still very rough and ready - particularly the timbering. I have also noticed a couple of minor track spacing issues, where the gap should be wider than standard. It is by no means finished! |
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posted: 6 Jun 2014 22:55 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Here is the plan overlaid onto the map. It seems to be a reasonably close match, not that I want to replicate it exactly, given that the OS weren't renowned for total accuracy when it came to trackwork. The main priority is to get nice smooth curves for good running, whereas some of the transitions on the map are distinctly jerky. 2831_061749_200000000.png  |
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posted: 12 Jun 2014 22:15 from: roythebus
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Looks ok, what gauge are you doing this in? | ||
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posted: 13 Jun 2014 12:40 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hi - thanks for your interest. It would be in 2mm scale. TBH it is just one of several options going thro' my mind for when I retire. I have been practicing the basics of Templot with several track plans to get to this stage, but have several other ideas to try out as well before I make up my mind what to model. Getting this far didn't take a huge amount of time and was actually quite fun to do. I am currently wondering jut how much further I need to go with the plan in Templot before it is suitable for use. As far as I understand it, any further manipulation of the timbering would be done manually anyway. I wonder if it would be easier and perfectly practicable in 2mm scale to work out the final sleepering for the slips and the tandem 3-way turnout in situ? Plain track would be Easitrac, of course, so the spacing is determined by the mouldings. I would not want the track plan to be an end in itself - just a means to an end. I am just curious to know what advantage there would be to me of getting the whole timbering thing absolutely perfect in Templot. |
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posted: 13 Jun 2014 14:09 from: Trevor Walling
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Hello, Ariels Girdl Getting the timbers perfect matters only if you are hand building track or parts of a formation. You could omit timbers altogether if you wished. Trevor. |
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 07:41 from: Hayfield
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Ariels Girdle wrote: Hi - thanks for your interest. It would be in 2mm scale.If you could share the file with us then you may get some answers Using the shove timbers option is quite easy and will tidy up the plan. As for the slips go to Real -Timbering - Half diamond - slip, this is an automatic function (rails are not) for the timbers. 3 way is a manual operation but do it on the plan. The tutorials are quite easy to follow for both which include the adjustments for rails I would say tidy up the plan as much as you can first on the program |
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 09:02 from: Phil O
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Some timbering can only go in one place to support the special chairs used in the crossing which need to be supported. Switches tend to be fairly standardised in their timbering as well. You will need to refer to the track standrards used by your prefered prototype for the info. Having just looked at the OP it looks as though you might have three standards BR for the mainlines and GW and LMS /LNWR for sidings etc. depending on who was responsible for what. Phil |
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 11:16 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hayfield wrote: "If you could share the file with us then you may get some answers" Hi - see post #2 for the file, though this covers a wider area than I would actually be modelling. I have no problem with tidying up the plan myself. Before I do this though, I wanted to be confident that the slips and 3-way tandem turnout were practicable. Something very much like them definitely existed on the prototype, but I don't have detailed photos or drawings to ensure that my design is realistic and workable. Phil O wrote: "Some timbering can only go in one place to support the special chairs used in the crossing which need to be supported. Switches tend to be fairly standardised in their timbering as well." Agreed - but I assume Templot already did most of this when I inserted the crossings and switches. It was really the bits in between that I was debating - I assume those timbers have to be shifted manually, whether you do it in Templot or in 3d on the model? Phil O wrote: "You will need to refer to the track standrards used by your prefered prototype for the info. Having just looked at the OP it looks as though you might have three standards BR for the mainlines and GW and LMS /LNWR for sidings etc. depending on who was responsible for what." Good point. I have worked out from photos that the pointwork in the foreground (GW side) was renewed in BR days. The turnouts at the back (ex-LNWR side) are difficult to see from photos, but were likely heavily used - so maybe LMS, rather than LNWR. This is 2mm scale though - and much of the trackwork is obscured by platforms and buildings, so I am not sure anyone would notice the difference to the same extent as in 4mm or 7mm scale ;) There are other aspects of the diorama that would be difficult to reproduce exactly, as information is sparse - like the station buildings, for example. It would most likely have to be a diorama "in the style of Dudley" rather than an exact model. Having said all that, I have just managed to get a copy of the British Railways Illustrated edition featuring Dudley, which does have a few better photos of the trackwork on the LNWR side - so I will study this carefully and make any amendments that seem necessary to the Templot plan. Closeups of the 2 slips are still elusive though. |
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 19:02 from: sp1
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Is the Dudley in Worcestershire (now West Midlands)? - I live the other side of town from where the station used to be! | ||
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 19:21 from: Dennis Mowatt
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sp1 wrote: Is the Dudley in Worcestershire (now West Midlands)? - I live the other side of town from where the station used to be!Goodness - so do I! A short walk from the other end of the tunnel  Regards Dennis |
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posted: 14 Jun 2014 20:12 from: sp1
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Dennis Mowatt wrote: sp1 wrote:Is the Dudley in Worcestershire (now West Midlands)? - I live the other side of town from where the station used to be!Goodness - so do I! A short walk from the other end of the tunnel I'm a few minutes walk from Park Head Viaduct |
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posted: 7 Dec 2014 23:13 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Many thanks for all the comments. I feel very privileged to have been able to reveal some of the richness of the Dudley area's railway heritage to its inhabitants ;) Gradually, week by week, I have been refining the design and learning more about the features of Templot. My latest discovery was the facility to adjust the blanking length on turnouts - very helpful when dealing with the additional crossing noses on outside slips and 3-way turnouts. So then, here is my latest version for my little 2mm scale clone of Dudley - still a lot to do to make it perfect, but we are definitely getting a little closer. As I said once before, I hope to sort out a lot of the sleepering issues manually, when I lay the track. |
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posted: 9 Dec 2014 18:59 from: Ariels Girdle click the date to link to this post click member name to view archived images |
Hopefully the final version here. I had to radically alter the baseboard configuration and move a few turnouts slightly, so that the layout would fit more comfortably into my car. In the process, I discovered that a couple of track panels were not aligned very well, so corrected that too. Unless I find any more errors ( easy for a beginner like me, with such a complex track plan!) then I should soon be able to cut timber and begin trackbuilding. Overall, I am very impressed with the way that Templot allowed me to make such nice flowing curves. If my modelling skills are up to it, this should make a really impressive diorama. |
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